shurmur-good choice or not

[rrbkt65]

being Shurmur worked with Bradford in his first year and Sam had good numbers, would he be a good choice if chud is gone?

 

[Boffo97]

I liked the guy, since I think he made gameplans that took into account that we just didn't have enough talent to be more aggressive.

But the dude was hated worse than Schotty by the fanbase.

 

[thirteen28]

Oh Gawd no. Shurmur is the kind of guy who won't adapt his scheme to his players, but tries to make the players adapt to his scheme (remember Donny Avery running 6 yard curl patterns?). And every complaint we had about Shurmur here was echoed verbatim when he moved on to coach Cleveland.

No. Just no. He makes Schotty look like Martz circuit 2001.

 

[jrry32]

Shurmur? Wonder what Larry Marmie is doing...his units were always good for putting points on the scoreboard.

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

If you like the longest pass to be thrown to be about 5 yards, then he's perfect.

 

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If you like the longest pass to be thrown to be about 5 yards, then he's perfect.

These are Bradford's splits.
Just for giggles, see if you can tell which one was Shurmur as the OC, and which one was Schotty (2010 vs 2012)

 

[Memphis Ram]

Did the Eagles fire Shurmur? Or is he still the Eagles Offensive Coordinator in title?

 

[den-the-coach]

 

[jrry32]

These are Bradford's splits.
Just for giggles, see if you can tell which one was Shurmur as the OC, and which one was Schotty (2010 vs 2012)

Top is Schotty. Not hard to figure out.
(80 yard TD against Tampa Bay by Kendricks happened in 2012)

 

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Top is Schotty. Not hard to figure out.
(80 yard TD against Tampa Bay by Kendricks happened in 2012)

Yeah, it's pretty easy to figure out, but the difference is almost negligible when it comes to throwing it past 11 yards.

 

[jrry32]

Yeah, it's pretty easy to figure out, but the difference is almost negligible when it comes to throwing it past 11 yards.

Eh, not exactly.
In 2010, Bradford was at 18.5% on 11-20 yards and 6.6% on 21+ yards in terms of attempts. In 2012, he was at 19.1% on 11-20 yards and 10.7% on 21+ yards in terms of attempts. While the intermediate range is reasonably close, he attempted a significantly higher percentage of deep passes.

 

[thirteen28]

Top is Schotty. Not hard to figure out.
(80 yard TD against Tampa Bay by Kendricks happened in 2012)

That and the longest pass completion of any type under Shurmur is 49 yards, which was one behind the line of scrimmage. Betting that was that screen pass to Jackson against Seattle that went for big yards in their first meeting of 2010, in the dome.

 

[-X-]

Eh, not exactly.
In 2010, Bradford was at 18.5% on 11-20 yards and 6.6% on 21+ yards in terms of attempts. In 2012, he was at 19.1% on 11-20 yards and 10.7% on 21+ yards in terms of attempts. While the intermediate range is reasonably close, he attempted a significantly higher percentage of deep passes.

I really don't see a big discrepancy between the two, personally. And if we add in a little context, we can see why 2012 Bradford had a bit more luck with downfield throws and the ability to take those shots (personnel). Not saying Shurmur is a world-beater or anything, but I do know that when Bradford had a decent receiver in 2010 (Clayton, Alexander), his YPA and intermediate/deep shots increased accordingly (14.3 ypc on average).

 

[jrry32]

I really don't see a big discrepancy between the two, personally. And if we add in a little context, we can see why 2012 Bradford had a bit more luck with downfield throws and the ability to take those shots (personnel). Not saying Shurmur is a world-beater or anything, but I do know that when Bradford had a decent receiver in 2010 (Clayton, Alexander), his YPA and intermediate/deep shots increased accordingly (14.3 ypc on average).

It's a pretty big discrepancy. According to PFF, in 2012, Bradford was ranked 14th out of the 33 QBs that qualified in percentage of deep attempts. In 2010, Bradford ranked dead last at 37th.

While the context is understood, it's not like we had a bevy of deep ball WRs in 2012 either. We had Chris Givens...and...

In 2010, we had Clayton and Alexander for probably 8 healthy games.

So I wouldn't say there was a ton in terms of weapons in either year.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Bradford's deep stuff was ugly under Shurmur.

 

[OnceARam]

I feel guilty when I hear the name Donnie Avery.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Also.
Bradford's deep ball left much to be desire his first couple of seasons. He would often over throw his receivers.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Also.
Bradford's deep ball left much to be desire his first couple of seasons. He would often over throw his receivers.

He(along with his receivers) looked like they'd had very little reps beyond 20 yards.

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

These are Bradford's splits.
Just for giggles, see if you can tell which one was Shurmur as the OC, and which one was Schotty (2010 vs 2012)

The 2nd one was Shurmur for sure, becase we never had a single pass that went for over 40 yards with that doof calling the plays.

 

[Yamahopper]

If he comes back the plan would have to be draft all defense and win that way.