Run Gurley

[Dxmissile]

McVay has to run Gurley he should be getting 20+carries a game. In the 3 losses he has 15 carries or less that’s inexcusable. If we wanna remain hot and continue our run to the playoffs Gurley can’t be getting phased out of the game plan.

 

[fearsomefour]

McVay has to run Gurley he should be getting 20+carries a game. In the 3 losses he has 15 carries or less that’s inexcusable. If we wanna remain hot and continue our run to the playoffs Gurley can’t be getting phased out of the game plan.

Agreed.
One thing in common with the Seattle and Viking losses is the other team sported a very good D. A good front that is tough to run against. The Rams did a good job pass protecting against these fronts for the most part. McVay may be a little more comfortable scheming protections than other things.
Gurley can be used in the passing game as well.

 

[DaveFan'51]

McVay has to run Gurley he should be getting 20+carries a game. In the 3 losses he has 15 carries or less that’s inexcusable. If we wanna remain hot and continue our run to the playoffs Gurley can’t be getting phased out of the game plan.

I expect Gurley to have a Huuuuuge Game! I don't know which he'll have more of Rushing yards or Receiving yards, he could have 100+ yards both ways!:mrburnsevil:

 

[Ram65]

McVay has to run Gurley he should be getting 20+carries a game. In the 3 losses he has 15 carries or less that’s inexcusable. If we wanna remain hot and continue our run to the playoffs Gurley can’t be getting phased out of the game plan.

Agreed.
One thing in common with the Seattle and Viking losses is the other team sported a very good D. A good front that is tough to run against. The Rams did a good job pass protecting against these fronts for the most part. McVay may be a little more comfortable scheming protections than other things.
Gurley can be used in the passing game as well.

I like feasonefour's answer.

In second half against the Vikings the Rams could not get any yards running. The Vikings coaches put the players in good position to stop the run. I don't know the best answer but, continuing the same runs wasn't going to help the offense. Trying not to be too negative I think the Vikings picked up the Rams tendencies. The Vikings had the upper hand with the noise and play changes. They had a good game plan and made last second adjustments after Goff changed the play at the line. A few more completions and a TD had Kupp not fumbled and they had a chance.

This week it would be a good idea to run Gurley more to control the clock keeping the high powered Saints offense off the field. This also would give the Rams defense more rest. The Saints are more vulnerable to the run. Passing to Gurley as mentioned is a good option as well.

 

[Dxmissile]

I like feasonefour's answer.

In second half against the Vikings the Rams could not get any yards running. The Vikings coaches put the players in good position to stop the run. I don't know the best answer but, continuing the same runs wasn't going to help the offense. Trying not to be too negative I think the Vikings picked up the Rams tendencies. The Vikings had the upper hand with the noise and play changes. They had a good game plan and made last second adjustments after Goff changed the play at the line. A few more completions and a TD had Kupp not fumbled and they had a chance.

This week it would be a good idea to run Gurley more to control the clock keeping the high powered Saints offense off the field. This also would give the Rams defense more rest. The Saints are more vulnerable to the run. Passing to Gurley as mentioned is a good option as well.

This offense relies on so much motion and playaction that if you abandon the run it shuts your offense down. Even if the runs aren’t going big yards it’s just the threat of the run that will allow the passing game to continue to thrive. We 7-0 when he has 20 carries a game 0-3 when he don’t.

 

[majrleaged]

In both the vikings and seahawk games it feels like we get away from what we do best to easy. Also

I like feasonefour's answer.

In second half against the Vikings the Rams could not get any yards running. The Vikings coaches put the players in good position to stop the run. I don't know the best answer but, continuing the same runs wasn't going to help the offense. Trying not to be too negative I think the Vikings picked up the Rams tendencies. The Vikings had the upper hand with the noise and play changes. They had a good game plan and made last second adjustments after Goff changed the play at the line. A few more completions and a TD had Kupp not fumbled and they had a chance.

This week it would be a good idea to run Gurley more to control the clock keeping the high powered Saints offense off the field. This also would give the Rams defense more rest. The Saints are more vulnerable to the run. Passing to Gurley as mentioned is a good option as well.

If I was a play caller, I could see it being tough to "waist" a play running when your defense can't get you the ball and when you do get the ball a run puts you behind the sticks. We did have chances to pass to Gurley, which in past games has opened things up for us and kept the chains moving.

 

[majrleaged]

This offense relies on so much motion and playaction that if you abandon the run it shuts your offense down. Even if the runs aren’t going big yards it’s just the threat of the run that will allow the passing game to continue to thrive. We 7-0 when he has 20 carries a game 0-3 when he don’t.

I totally agree with the need to keep trying to run till the score makes it impossible, but as far as this stat goes it is sometimes misleading. Many times when a Back runs the ball a lot it is because his team has a lead. The lead doesn't always come because the Back ran the ball 20 or 30 times. Plus if the defense doesn't do their job it makes it harder to get those carries. What that stat usually means is the team played well all around. But there is no denying the fact when Gurley gets lots of touches the Rams win. Get Him The Damn Ball Anyway You Can.

 

[Ram65]

This offense relies on so much motion and playaction that if you abandon the run it shuts your offense down. Even if the runs aren’t going big yards it’s just the threat of the run that will allow the passing game to continue to thrive. We 7-0 when he has 20 carries a game 0-3 when he don’t.

LOL I think we have had this discussion a few times this year.

I hear you but, at if the Rams are losing yards, or gaining 2 yards or less then they are putting themselves in a hole. I just rewatched the 3rd quarter and the Rams were getting nowhere running the ball. They still had the play action. Goff slipped on the wide open pass to Gurley. Then ran Gurley for half yard lose and then a delay of game. Here are the plays of the second half before the Vikings went up 21-7.

• 1st and 10 at LAR 26
  (13:45 - 3rd) T.Gurley up the middle to LA 28 for 2 yards (D.Hunter; T.Johnson).
• 2nd and 8 at LAR 28
  (13:14 - 3rd) (No Huddle) J.Goff pass short middle to S.Watkins to LA 43 for 15 yards (X.Rhodes).
• 1st and 10 at LAR 43
  (12:36 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass incomplete short right to T.Gurley.
• 2nd and 10 at LAR 43
  (12:32 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Gurley left guard to LA 43 for no gain (T.Johnson; E.Kendricks).
• 3rd and 10 at LAR 43
  (11:43 - 3rd) (Shotgun) PENALTY on LA-J.Goff, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at LA 43 - No Play.
• 3rd and 15 at LAR 38
  (11:20 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass short right to R.Woods to LA 46 for 8 yards (M.Alexander).
• 4th and 7 at LAR 46
  (10:46 - 3rd) J.Hekker punts 40 yards to MIN 14, Center-J.McQuaide, fair catch by M.Sherels.Rams punt

This series was on Goff slipping and delay of game. They ran Guley enough for the play action to work. Here is the second series of 2nd half.

• 1st and 10 at LAR 29
  (6:17 - 3rd) J.Goff pass incomplete deep left to S.Watkins.
• 2nd and 10 at LAR 29
  (6:10 - 3rd) T.Gurley up the middle to LA 31 for 2 yards (S.Stephen; E.Kendricks).
• 3rd and 8 at LAR 31
  (5:30 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass incomplete short right to R.Woods [E.Kendricks]. NOT REAL SHORT
• 4th and 8 at LAR 31
  (5:24 - 3rd) J.Hekker punts 40 yards to MIN 29, Center-J.McQuaide, out of bounds.

They took a shot deep that failed. A Gurley run could only gain two yards and then pressure on third down. A bad series. Who knows maybe running would have been better than a long pass.

• (14:15 - 4th) K.Forbath kicks 70 yards from MIN 35 to LA -5. P.Cooper to LA 29 for 34 yards (J.Kearse).
  
  
• 1st and 10 at LAR 29
  (14:10 - 4th) T.Gurley up the middle to LA 37 for 8 yards (S.Stephen).
• 2nd and 2 at LAR 37
  (13:36 - 4th) J.Goff pass short left to S.Watkins to MIN 49 for 14 yards (A.Harris).
• 1st and 10 at MIN 49
  (13:03 - 4th) J.Goff pass incomplete deep middle to R.Woods (H.Smith) [E.Kendricks].
• 2nd and 10 at MIN 49
  (12:56 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass incomplete short right to T.Higbee (H.Smith).
• 3rd and 10 at MIN 49
  (12:51 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass incomplete deep right to C.Kupp.
• 4th and 10 at MIN 49
  (12:45 - 4th) (Punt formation) J.Hekker punts 42 yards to MIN 7, Center-J.McQuaide, downed by LA-J.Reynolds.
  

After the good run by Gurley and 14 yard gain to Watkins the Rams went deep. I didn't like the call. They were moving the ball. IIRC the deep pass to Woods was audibled at the line. He may have gotten out of the run. Maybe, they should have run here but they were committed . Things would have been different had Kupp made the catch. The Vikings waiting for the Rams to commit and then moving the defense changed some calls. Looking back the long incompletions put the Rams in a hole as much or more than the running game failing. Give the Vikings credit for making the right moves.

 

[Corbin]

This offense relies on so much motion and playaction that if you abandon the run it shuts your offense down. Even if the runs aren’t going big yards it’s just the threat of the run that will allow the passing game to continue to thrive. We 7-0 when he has 20 carries a game 0-3 when he don’t.

Totally agree, coupled with the fact Tavon adds threat of reverses etc and we strayed away from that.

Hopefully today we get back to our formula of success.

 

[Dxmissile]

LOL I think we have had this discussion a few times this year.

I hear you but, at if the Rams are losing yards, or gaining 2 yards or less then they are putting themselves in a hole. I just rewatched the 3rd quarter and the Rams were getting nowhere running the ball. They still had the play action. Goff slipped on the wide open pass to Gurley. Then ran Gurley for half yard lose and then a delay of game. Here are the plays of the second half before the Vikings went up 21-7.

• 1st and 10 at LAR 26
  (13:45 - 3rd) T.Gurley up the middle to LA 28 for 2 yards (D.Hunter; T.Johnson).
• 2nd and 8 at LAR 28
  (13:14 - 3rd) (No Huddle) J.Goff pass short middle to S.Watkins to LA 43 for 15 yards (X.Rhodes).
• 1st and 10 at LAR 43
  (12:36 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass incomplete short right to T.Gurley.
• 2nd and 10 at LAR 43
  (12:32 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Gurley left guard to LA 43 for no gain (T.Johnson; E.Kendricks).
• 3rd and 10 at LAR 43
  (11:43 - 3rd) (Shotgun) PENALTY on LA-J.Goff, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at LA 43 - No Play.
• 3rd and 15 at LAR 38
  (11:20 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass short right to R.Woods to LA 46 for 8 yards (M.Alexander).
• 4th and 7 at LAR 46
  (10:46 - 3rd) J.Hekker punts 40 yards to MIN 14, Center-J.McQuaide, fair catch by M.Sherels.Rams punt

This series was on Goff slipping and delay of game. They ran Guley enough for the play action to work. Here is the second series of 2nd half.

• 1st and 10 at LAR 29
  (6:17 - 3rd) J.Goff pass incomplete deep left to S.Watkins.
• 2nd and 10 at LAR 29
  (6:10 - 3rd) T.Gurley up the middle to LA 31 for 2 yards (S.Stephen; E.Kendricks).
• 3rd and 8 at LAR 31
  (5:30 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass incomplete short right to R.Woods [E.Kendricks]. NOT REAL SHORT
• 4th and 8 at LAR 31
  (5:24 - 3rd) J.Hekker punts 40 yards to MIN 29, Center-J.McQuaide, out of bounds.

They took a shot deep that failed. A Gurley run could only gain two yards and then pressure on third down. A bad series. Who knows maybe running would have been better than a long pass.

• (14:15 - 4th) K.Forbath kicks 70 yards from MIN 35 to LA -5. P.Cooper to LA 29 for 34 yards (J.Kearse).
  
  
• 1st and 10 at LAR 29
  (14:10 - 4th) T.Gurley up the middle to LA 37 for 8 yards (S.Stephen).
• 2nd and 2 at LAR 37
  (13:36 - 4th) J.Goff pass short left to S.Watkins to MIN 49 for 14 yards (A.Harris).
• 1st and 10 at MIN 49
  (13:03 - 4th) J.Goff pass incomplete deep middle to R.Woods (H.Smith) [E.Kendricks].
• 2nd and 10 at MIN 49
  (12:56 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass incomplete short right to T.Higbee (H.Smith).
• 3rd and 10 at MIN 49
  (12:51 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass incomplete deep right to C.Kupp.
• 4th and 10 at MIN 49
  (12:45 - 4th) (Punt formation) J.Hekker punts 42 yards to MIN 7, Center-J.McQuaide, downed by LA-J.Reynolds.

After the good run by Gurley and 14 yard gain to Watkins the Rams went deep. I didn't like the call. They were moving the ball. IIRC the deep pass to Woods was audibled at the line. He may have gotten out of the run. Maybe, they should have run here but they were committed . Things would have been different had Kupp made the catch. The Vikings waiting for the Rams to commit and then moving the defense changed some calls. Looking back the long incompletions put the Rams in a hole as much or more than the running game failing. Give the Vikings credit for making the right moves.

The running game needs commitment it’s needs to develop a rhythm to maintain or even gain effectiveness. The problem is the going 2 or 3 series without running the ball then you try to run the ball when you have no rhythm. Like the Seahawks game when Gurley had less than 2 carries a quarter. To me that’s the biggest issue we have. In the games that we lost we wasn’t getting blown out it’s like McVay was always looking for the homer in pass play instead of just marching down field

 

[Merlin]

There are games ahead where Goff is going to need to win it with his arm. Vikes snuff out the run, and have all season. They are an elite defense vs the run and did what they do to us. Continuing to run the ball is usually a good idea but not always, particularly when you know you're losing the matchups up front which the Rams were.

Jared had a milestone game there and wasn't ready. But that's ok, it's part of his development curve, and that team is very much a Super Bowl contender. And same could be said about McVay. I think that IF the Rams see them again in the playoffs the game is going to be very different.

 

[Ram65]

The running game needs commitment it’s needs to develop a rhythm to maintain or even gain effectiveness. The problem is the going 2 or 3 series without running the ball then you try to run the ball when you have no rhythm. Like the Seahawks game when Gurley had less than 2 carries a quarter. To me that’s the biggest issue we have. In the games that we lost we wasn’t getting blown out it’s like McVay was always looking for the homer in pass play instead of just marching down field

One thing we don't know is what call Goff is making at the line. Reportedly, Goff has two plays radioed in, a run and a pass, when he comes to the line. He makes the call according to what he sees at the line. Last week he may have gone pass because of what he was seeing. I don't see this team as run no matter what team. They aren't built like the Cowboys were last year. They need to mix it up. Before this game they were split 52 pass 48 run percentages I didn't like the long passes against the Vikings but, they did mix in enough runs to make the play action work. They didn't execute well enough.

 

[Scirca]

There are games ahead where Goff is going to need to win it with his arm. Vikes snuff out the run, and have all season. They are an elite defense vs the run and did what they do to us. Continuing to run the ball is usually a good idea but not always, particularly when you know you're losing the matchups up front which the Rams were.

Jared had a milestone game there and wasn't ready. But that's ok, it's part of his development curve, and that team is very much a Super Bowl contender. And same could be said about McVay. I think that IF the Rams see them again in the playoffs the game is going to be very different.

He made a rookie mistake against the Redskins, but after that he's been ready. His teammates have let him down when it has mattered the most.

 

[Merlin]

He made a rookie mistake against the Redskins, but after that he's been ready. His teammates have let him down when it has mattered the most.

Your defense of Jared against any criticism, no matter how small, is a little over the top man. He's not an elite QB yet. It's ok too, take a deep breath, count to ten, whatever it takes. He'll get there, just enjoy the ride and don't be so sensitive when it comes to him.

 

[Scirca]

Your defense of Jared against any criticism, no matter how small, is a little over the top man. He's not an elite QB yet. It's ok too, take a deep breath, count to ten, whatever it takes. He'll get there, just enjoy the ride and don't be so sensitive when it comes to him.

Tell me where I'm wrong. Seattle, he leads them down with no timeouts, Kupp drops the fucking ball. Vikings game, Kupp fumbles the fucking ball at the 1. And then drops the most important 3rd down conversion of the game. Tell me where I'm wrong.... Tell me when Goff has not looked ready to lead his team from behind. I've been critical of Goff, especially when it comes to his placement of the ball when there is no pressure and I got a ton of shit for it.

I get annoyed when people make up shit like he's not ready to lead his team, when the tape says otherwise.

 

[Loyal]

We need to RUN and PASS Gurley. Seriously, I don't know hoe Gurley isn't targeted every single game with passes. It's a definite mismatch with the defensive backfields having him come full speed after catching a pass.