Rivera to submit hit(s) to NFL...

[LARams_1963]

I can't say that I blame him. While I was happy we didn't get flagged on the Barron or Donald sacks, flags could have been thrown. Maybe the refs turned a blind eye because of Cams whining???


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...na-panthers-submit-another-hit-cam-newton-nfl

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Carolina Panthers coach Ron Rivera saw one hit that his quarterback, Cam Newton, took in the pocket during Sunday's victory at Los Angeles that concerns him enough to contact the NFL for review.




Replay could be solution to end weekly debate over hits on Cam Newton
If the NFL is serious about protecting its top stars from head injuries, it's time to allow officials to review any questionable hits to quarterbacks.



But Rivera said the conversations he and Newton had separately with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell last week about the league MVP not getting treated fairly in the pocket wasn't a waste of time.

Rivera actually defended the officiating Sunday, taking a softer tone on his concerns than a week ago.

"It's tough," Rivera said Monday. "It's tough for them to judge things as they happen at full speed and from the angles [and] all that kind of stuff. But there was one of concern, and we'll send it and see what the league has to say and we'll go from there.

"Other than that, I thought they handled it very well. ... So just one of concern, and we'll talk about if they agree or disagree. But for the most part that's just the nature of the game."

Newton took what appeared to be two shots to the helmet on sacks -- one by Rams safety Mark Barron and another by defensive tackle Aaron Donald. Neither was called for roughing the passer, so Newton's streak of not having that penalty enforced on the defense since 2014 remains intact.

Rivera would not comment on which hit he sent to the league.

"I'll leave it at that and discuss it with the league," he said.

Barron came at Newton with a hard forearm that landed in the upper body of the quarterback. His face mask appeared to make contact with Newton's helmet as well.

Donald launched himself into the air and came down on Newton with his helmet making contact with the quarterback's helmet.

Both came a week after Newton complained about not being treated fairly in the pocket against Arizona, which turned into a phone conversation with Goodell.

Asked about the officiating while he was in the pocket on Sunday, Newton said, "I'm not worried about that. Just trying to find ways to win the football game."

One of Rivera's issues is the way players tackle today as opposed to when he was a linebacker for the Chicago Bears (1984-92).

"Tackling was different. We hit, wrap and drove your feet," Rivera said. "You squared him up, used your face mask, put your head to the side, shoulder tackle.

"Today when you watch guys, you see guys launching, you see guys basically trying to butt people off their feet, knock people off their feet. It's a little bit different from then. If you go back and look at tackling form the 80s and 90s, it's vastly different from today."

But it was apparent Rivera wanted to take the focus off the way Newton has been treated in the pocket and shed light on what he believes is a league-wide issue regarding tackling.

"It's all the way through the league," he said, noting it's not just hits on quarterbacks that concern him. "It happens. Refereeing is hard. It's not simple. Let's be honest, it's tough to see."

Rivera said that's why he waited until Monday to comment on the officiating instead of making a judgment on Sunday.

"I get the benefit of slowing it down, looking at slow motion," he said. "These guys are trying to get it right and trying to do their job the best they can.

"It's the big-time egregious ones that everybody should be worried about. Not the ones that are hard to see or tough to see, that looks like football."

 

[Jacobarch]

These guys are still bitching?

 

[Psycho_X]

Next rule implemented by Goodell will be instant replay for tackles and a new rule stating what a tackle is. Every play that ever happens will be insta replayed to make sure a player didn't tackle wrong and the game will now be shown in 6 hour allotments.

*when a player on defense engages to tackle another player who has the ball said defensive player must make a clean, non-flagrant tackle. Clean tackles are defined as both arms wrapped around a player's waste and no where else. If a defensive player wraps up above a players abdomen or below his waste, what will be referred to as a "I'm a pussy don't touch me bro tackle", his team will be penalized 7 points and that player will be ejected from the game and fined $100,000. The commissioner withholds the rights to summon said player to his office to spank him and be offered said players spouse for immediate use as the commissioner deems fit. Unless the player in violation takes a knee before his excellency and kisses his golden cup.

 

[JackDRams]

Neither sack was dirty. Quit your fuckin bitching you pussies. Drives me insane.

 

[LARams_1963]

Neither sack was dirty. Quit your freakin bitching you pussies. Drives me insane.

Dirty? I don't think so. Penalties? The Barron hit was, helmet to helmet, even if just barely. I watched the Barron hit a few times and you can see it easily enough. The Donald hit I'd have to watch again. Either way, yeah... they bitch a lot. I see lots of similar hits against the Rams and in other games that don't get flagged.

 

[Selassie I]

 

[Ramrasta]

Let's clarify something. Helmet to helmet penalties are not for any contact between two players helmets. If the player leads with their shoulder and their helmets tap on the follow through, that's incedental helmet contact. You ARE allowed to run into the QB going 25 mph and blast the living shit out of him with your shoulder as Barron did and as confirmed at the time by NFL rules specialist Mike Perierra as a legal hit.

In football, you get hit. If you are can't handle it, be a kicker.

 

[DaveFan'51]

I can't say that I blame him. While I was happy we didn't get flagged on the Barron or Donald sacks, flags could have been thrown. Maybe the refs turned a blind eye because of Cams whining???


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...na-panthers-submit-another-hit-cam-newton-nfl
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Carolina Panthers coach Ron Rivera saw one hit that his quarterback, Cam Newton, took in the pocket during Sunday's victory at Los Angeles that concerns him enough to contact the NFL for review.




Replay could be solution to end weekly debate over hits on Cam Newton
If the NFL is serious about protecting its top stars from head injuries, it's time to allow officials to review any questionable hits to quarterbacks.



But Rivera said the conversations he and Newton had separately with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell last week about the league MVP not getting treated fairly in the pocket wasn't a waste of time.

Rivera actually defended the officiating Sunday, taking a softer tone on his concerns than a week ago.

"It's tough," Rivera said Monday. "It's tough for them to judge things as they happen at full speed and from the angles [and] all that kind of stuff. But there was one of concern, and we'll send it and see what the league has to say and we'll go from there.

"Other than that, I thought they handled it very well. ... So just one of concern, and we'll talk about if they agree or disagree. But for the most part that's just the nature of the game."

Newton took what appeared to be two shots to the helmet on sacks -- one by Rams safety Mark Barron and another by defensive tackle Aaron Donald. Neither was called for roughing the passer, so Newton's streak of not having that penalty enforced on the defense since 2014 remains intact.

Rivera would not comment on which hit he sent to the league.

"I'll leave it at that and discuss it with the league," he said.

Barron came at Newton with a hard forearm that landed in the upper body of the quarterback. His face mask appeared to make contact with Newton's helmet as well.

Donald launched himself into the air and came down on Newton with his helmet making contact with the quarterback's helmet.

Both came a week after Newton complained about not being treated fairly in the pocket against Arizona, which turned into a phone conversation with Goodell.

Asked about the officiating while he was in the pocket on Sunday, Newton said, "I'm not worried about that. Just trying to find ways to win the football game."

One of Rivera's issues is the way players tackle today as opposed to when he was a linebacker for the Chicago Bears (1984-92).

"Tackling was different. We hit, wrap and drove your feet," Rivera said. "You squared him up, used your face mask, put your head to the side, shoulder tackle.

"Today when you watch guys, you see guys launching, you see guys basically trying to butt people off their feet, knock people off their feet. It's a little bit different from then. If you go back and look at tackling form the 80s and 90s, it's vastly different from today."

But it was apparent Rivera wanted to take the focus off the way Newton has been treated in the pocket and shed light on what he believes is a league-wide issue regarding tackling.

"It's all the way through the league," he said, noting it's not just hits on quarterbacks that concern him. "It happens. Refereeing is hard. It's not simple. Let's be honest, it's tough to see."

Rivera said that's why he waited until Monday to comment on the officiating instead of making a judgment on Sunday.

"I get the benefit of slowing it down, looking at slow motion," he said. "These guys are trying to get it right and trying to do their job the best they can.

"It's the big-time egregious ones that everybody should be worried about. Not the ones that are hard to see or tough to see, that looks like football."

Boooo Hoooo! Tell Rivera To go Piss-up-a-rope!

Quit your Whinning!

 

[lordbannon]

Dirty? I don't think so. Penalties? The Barron hit was, helmet to helmet, even if just barely. I watched the Barron hit a few times and you can see it easily enough. The Donald hit I'd have to watch again. Either way, yeah... they bitch a lot. I see lots of similar hits against the Rams and in other games that don't get flagged.

Barron's helmet didn't even touch Newton. Donald's facemask did hit Cam's helmet.

 

[cvramsfan]

Wasn't Donald's a face mask to face mask? To me neither were or should have been called.

 

[Jorgeh0605]

I saw helmets touch on both hits. Barron's only in slo mo replay though. That is not something that should be called in real time. The Donald hit was incidental, and though I don't understand the helmet to helmet rules at this point, it would be dumb for plays like that to be penalties IMO. Completely out of both mens control to prevent that. If that is the case, give me a head coaching job and all march down the field by teaching my QBs to ensure they get hit in the helmet and get those penalty yards.

 

[fearsomefour]

The only thing with the helmet to helmet hits is if the O player ducks down....many DBs have gotten flagged because it was a hard hit.....but, the WR ducked into the hit. It is a natural reaction to protect oneself, but, not something the defender should be flagged for. I was surprised Barron wasn't flagged, not because it was a penalty, but because it was a violent hit. Cam ducked down.....F him.

 

[Boston Ram]

This is great! Now maybe the league will see these hits and think.....hmmm The Rams actually do hit cleanly and wow that Mark Barron and Aaron Donald are pretty good players.

 

[RamBall]

The slow motion replay of Barrons hit, showed clearly that their helmets never even made contact, even if they did it would have been incidental as Barron hit Cam in the shoulder with his forearm. Clearly a clean hit. Donalds hit had incidental contact of the facemasks, but once again Donald lead with his shoulder/chest and did not use his helmet to strike Cam. Another clean hit.

What a bunch of whiny bitches, they won the game and still want to cry about the way their QB gets hit, if you dont want him to get hit block better.

 

[Rambitious1]

I can't say that I blame him. While I was happy we didn't get flagged on the Barron or Donald sacks, flags could have been thrown. Maybe the refs turned a blind eye because of Cams whining???


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...na-panthers-submit-another-hit-cam-newton-nfl
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Carolina Panthers coach Ron Rivera saw one hit that his quarterback, Cam Newton, took in the pocket during Sunday's victory at Los Angeles that concerns him enough to contact the NFL for review.




Replay could be solution to end weekly debate over hits on Cam Newton
If the NFL is serious about protecting its top stars from head injuries, it's time to allow officials to review any questionable hits to quarterbacks.



But Rivera said the conversations he and Newton had separately with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell last week about the league MVP not getting treated fairly in the pocket wasn't a waste of time.

Rivera actually defended the officiating Sunday, taking a softer tone on his concerns than a week ago.

"It's tough," Rivera said Monday. "It's tough for them to judge things as they happen at full speed and from the angles [and] all that kind of stuff. But there was one of concern, and we'll send it and see what the league has to say and we'll go from there.

"Other than that, I thought they handled it very well. ... So just one of concern, and we'll talk about if they agree or disagree. But for the most part that's just the nature of the game."

Newton took what appeared to be two shots to the helmet on sacks -- one by Rams safety Mark Barron and another by defensive tackle Aaron Donald. Neither was called for roughing the passer, so Newton's streak of not having that penalty enforced on the defense since 2014 remains intact.

Rivera would not comment on which hit he sent to the league.

"I'll leave it at that and discuss it with the league," he said.

Barron came at Newton with a hard forearm that landed in the upper body of the quarterback. His face mask appeared to make contact with Newton's helmet as well.

Donald launched himself into the air and came down on Newton with his helmet making contact with the quarterback's helmet.

Both came a week after Newton complained about not being treated fairly in the pocket against Arizona, which turned into a phone conversation with Goodell.

Asked about the officiating while he was in the pocket on Sunday, Newton said, "I'm not worried about that. Just trying to find ways to win the football game."

One of Rivera's issues is the way players tackle today as opposed to when he was a linebacker for the Chicago Bears (1984-92).

"Tackling was different. We hit, wrap and drove your feet," Rivera said. "You squared him up, used your face mask, put your head to the side, shoulder tackle.

"Today when you watch guys, you see guys launching, you see guys basically trying to butt people off their feet, knock people off their feet. It's a little bit different from then. If you go back and look at tackling form the 80s and 90s, it's vastly different from today."

But it was apparent Rivera wanted to take the focus off the way Newton has been treated in the pocket and shed light on what he believes is a league-wide issue regarding tackling.

"It's all the way through the league," he said, noting it's not just hits on quarterbacks that concern him. "It happens. Refereeing is hard. It's not simple. Let's be honest, it's tough to see."

Rivera said that's why he waited until Monday to comment on the officiating instead of making a judgment on Sunday.

"I get the benefit of slowing it down, looking at slow motion," he said. "These guys are trying to get it right and trying to do their job the best they can.

"It's the big-time egregious ones that everybody should be worried about. Not the ones that are hard to see or tough to see, that looks like football."

I can.

Those were all legal hits.

 

[MTRamsFan]

From NFL Competition Committee and approved by NFL Owners...

Crown of Helmet

For safety reasons, the Committee believes that crown-of-the-helmet hits by defenders that were previously legal because the defender did not line up the runner should be illegal regardless of whether the defender lines up the runner prior to making contact. When the rule was first implemented, game officials were instructed to look for three elements for interpreting the rule for initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet:

• The player must line up his opponent
• He must lower his head
• He must make forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

Game officials will be instructed to call fouls when a defender lowers his head and makes forcible contact with the crown of his helmet on a runner outside the tackle box. The line-up requirement will still apply to a runner, since in many instances that player ducks his head to protect himself from impending contact by a defender, rather than to deliver a blow.

With that said, and not having seen the replays in slow motion, I don't recall Barron or Donald lowering their head and using the crown of their helmet to tackle Newton. So, I don't think Rivera is going to get any satisfaction from the league. Also, here is Mike Pereira's view of the hits.

 

[Amitar]

Both Barron and Donald's hits were clean. Barron's helmet may have brushed Cam's but in no way did it cause even the slightest discomfort. The refs did a good job.

 

[RamzFanz]

Both hits were clean.

 

[tempests]

My understanding is all HCs submit plays for review every week.

Nothing out of the ordinary about this.