RIP Muhammed Ali : Simply the Greatest

[Riverumbbq]

Amazing man, amazing story, great boxer.

 

[woofwoofmo]

One of the most iconic figures of the 20th Century. Saw him in 1984 at the Los Angeles Olympics. The man could command a room unlike any I've ever seen. RIP Champ

 

[Tron]

Sad to see him go, Was the greatest. Has been battling for a long time with his health. When I read he was hospitalized the other day I thought it could be the end but hoped not. Sadly it was. RIP ALI.

 

[Loyal]

It's amazing how great he really was. I'll admit that I didn't like him much in the 70's, because I thought that he was a loudmouth. I just rewatched the Cassius Clay vs Sonny Liston weigh in, and fight. He was always talking, but then he backed up his talk with greatness. They called his style "awkward quick side to side style" and then Liston did not meet the bell in the 7th round (called a 7th round TKO). Frazier beat him once, and I thought there was a fight that with Jimmy Young beat him as well, but didn't get the call (I don't consider the deteriorated Ali losing to freaking Leon Spinx)....Even so, my view has moderated with time, and Ali was the greatest of all time, when heavyweight boxing was in a golden age. It was a shame that seeing the young man in such terrific condition in mind and body, deteriorate as I grew older.

Definately the GOAT. RIP Champ.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Not Rams/NFL topic.

Deserves our front page.

(Until @Prime Time overrides me )

 

[den-the-coach]

An amazing man and extraordinary boxer the world is not as bright today, however, butterflies are floating and bees are stinging.

 

[Selassie I]

Floats like a butterfly. Stings like a bee.

 

[DaveFan'51]

It's amazing how great he really was. I'll admit that I didn't like him much in the 70's, because I thought that he was a loudmouth. I just rewatched the Cassius Clay vs Sonny Liston weigh in, and fight. He was always talking, but then he backed up his talk with greatness. They called his style "awkward quick side to side style" and then Liston did not meet the bell in the 7th round (called a 7th round TKO). Frazier beat him once, and I thought there was a fight that with Jimmy Young beat him as well, but didn't get the call (I don't consider the deteriorated Ali losing to freaking Leon Spinx)....Even so, my view has moderated with time, and Ali was the greatest of all time, when heavyweight boxing was in a golden age. It was a shame that seeing the young man in such terrific condition in mind and body, deteriorate as I grew older.

Definately the GOAT. RIP Champ.

I felt pretty much the same way about Ali and his career, But he was one of the "Greatest of All Times!!" His long suffering is over! RIP!!

I Boxed a little in my youth, and I still believe, in their Primes, Marciano would have Beaton Ali! But that's another thread for another day!

 

[bubbaramfan]

I know my opinion of Cassius Clay is not popular, but my take of the man- A brash, trash talking braggart, narcicist who liked everything this country had to offer and really benefited form it in the form of making millions, but over his life he constantly trashed the US and got away with avoiding the draft. A very good boxer? yes. But not the greatest. A great human being? Hardly. His accociation with Malcolm X and the Rev Farahkahn proves to me he was also a racist.

Just MHO.

 

[ozarkram]

Was not a fan back in the day. Was a Frazier guy. Always preferred the brawler to the boxer. That takes nothing away from his skill and ability and he was a master showman.

 

[DaveFan'51]

I just found a few photos so we can all look back at his Career!!

The Big Up-Set!

The "Rope-a-Dope"

The Dope!1

 

[ozarkram]

For me the greatest fight of my lifetime was the last Ali, Frazier fight both men left everything right there in the ring. Both men ended their careers right there. IMO. Two mortal enemies locked in a death match that defined them both. The beautiful boxer and the immovable force.

 

[Loyal]

ha...looks like Prime Time moved the thread, CGI! Guess we see where you rate!

 

[Memento]

Simply the greatest heavyweight to live.

Rest in peace, Muhammed Ali.

 

[tomas]

Muhammad Ali is Not a Hero.
Ali may have been great fighter, but he was also a shameless draft dodger, who refused to fight for his country in the Vietnam War."Cassius Clay", not only a draft dodger but hypocritical when joining the religion of hate with ambitions of Islamic world domination.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Muhammad Ali is Not a Hero.
Ali may have been great fighter, but he was also a shameless draft dodger, who refused to fight for his country in the Vietnam War."Cassius Clay", not only a draft dodger but hypocritical when joining the religion of hate with ambitions of Islamic world domination.

At least he was a great fighter...
That's extremely gracious of you to give him that kudo
I take it you're a big Gerry Cooney fan

 

[ozarkram]

 

[RocknRam29]

Muhammad Ali surprises kids on The Candid Camera Show (1974)


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdd1XK1ZUr4



A candid Muhammad Ali w/ Allen Funt


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNLqh6-dRyQ

 

[Prime Time]

ha...looks like Prime Time moved the thread, CGI! Guess we see where you rate!

Is the thread about the NFL or the Rams? No. Come on give me a break. :mrburns:
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http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/06/04/nfl-muhammad-ali-remembered-football-world

Remembering the Greatest

The football world stops for a moment in early June to recall Muhammad Ali, who transformed American sports and influenced and inspired the athletes who came after him
By Peter King

Photo: Neil Leifer/Sports Illustrated

Some surprises this week: “Monday Morning Quarterback” is “Sunday Morning Quarterback,” for one week only. I felt news of Muhammad Ali’s death, on Friday at age 74, was so riveting and important that we should publish a day early this week.

My thanks to editors Dom Bonvissuto and Mark Mravic for hustling Saturday night and early Sunday morning to get the piece up on The MMQB. Except for “Ten Things I Think I Think,” the column will be solely about the impact of the life of Ali. This is more about his importance to our society than anything else, but we’ll all be okay if we go a week without football dominating this column in June.

* * *

I did not know Muhammad Ali, at all. I never met him. And this is a football column. Why, then, write about someone I did not know, who had nothing material to do with football?

I have a roundabout way of answering that. First, let me say that if you’re younger than 45, most if not all of what you know about Ali will be from stories you’ve read or heard, or TV pieces you’ve seen. You wouldn’t have good personal knowledge of how the man impacted the lives of millions of Americans and people around the world. And I’m going to start there.

I grew up one of four children to an ironworker and stay-at-home mom in a town in northern Connecticut, Enfield, that was a pretty conservative place. When Ali the showman and political figure began emerging in the boxing rings and television programs and courtrooms of America between 1963 and 1967, his bombast was not popular. No athlete, black or white, was as audacious and outspoken as Ali, and no one talked a tenth of the trash he did. Most of America didn’t like it. Boxing was much bigger then than it is today, and Ali (known as Cassius Clay until joining the Nation of Islam in 1964) was a burgeoning star.

I was about to turn 10 when Ali refused induction into the military in April 1967, and he became in most quarters of America (particularly white America) an enemy of the state. The governor of Maine said Ali “should be held in utter contempt by every patriotic American.” No one at the time took his self-identification as a “conscientious objector” to the Vietnam War very seriously, and he was convicted of draft evasion that June. His heavyweight title was stripped.

Life went on. For three years and six months he was banned from boxing—the prime years of his career, starting at 25 and lasting till he was nearly 29. That’s how strongly he felt about not going to Vietnam and fighting in a war he felt America had no business being in. Not that he’d have gone to any war. He claimed his religion prevented him from fighting in wars, except those directed by Allah.

Ali was the headliner in an America roiling with controversy over an unpopular war. That controversy divided thousands of families. I’m not saying Ali’s decision to become a conscientious objector was significant to my brother Ken doing the same, because he never told me. But while a student at William & Mary from 1967 to ’71, Ken took the anti-war side, vehemently. He protested. He was the first member of the King family to attend college of any kind, so it was a big deal when his graduation drew near in the spring of 1971. The family piled into the station wagon (a very Griswoldian trip) for the nine-hour drive to Williamsburg for the ceremony.

Photo: Tony Tomsic/Getty Images
In 1967, Bill Russell, Jim Brown, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (then Lew Alcindor) and other prominent black athletes gathered to support for Ali’s refusal to fight in Vietnam.

When we got there, Ken informed us he’d donated the $35 for the cap and gown and graduation fees to an anti-war cause, and he and a few friends would be marching in the ceremony in white shirts with black armbands, to protest the war. Let’s just say my father, veteran of the Seabees in the Korean War, was not pleased, and the weekend was testy, not celebratory. But Ken was certainly on the right side of history. Ali was certainly on the right side of history, and a beacon for it.

Had Ken gotten his draft notice, he made it clear that he would not report. At 13, I wasn’t entirely certain what that meant; all I knew was it was a rough time in the family, and it took some time for my father and Ken to see eye to eye after that. But that’s what our country was like at the time: fathers against sons, sons against the war, some sons reporting for duty in a burst of patriotism, some sons against the war getting drafted into it anyway.

If you paid attention to the news on Saturday, you heard how reviled Ali was in some quarters during this time. But it’s often not a popular thing to risk your job, and your livelihood, for a principle. Four decades later, there was Ali, having the Presidential Medal of Freedom draped around his neck by President George W. Bush in the White House, praised for standing up for what he believed was right. Now there’s something that would have shocked the world in 1967.

Such an interesting dichotomy, the athletes who did report for service in World War II and Korea and Vietnam, and the one who didn’t report to Vietnam. It was almost expected that stars like Ted Williams and Phil Rizzuto would surrender three years of their prime for military service in World War II. They’d have been reviled forever had they fought induction. But Ali fought it, and in most quarters a half-century ago, he was reviled.

But he contributed to a movement—heck, maybe he was the beacon for the movement—that pushed America to get out of Vietnam. Too late, probably, but we got out nonetheless. And any historian will tell you the most famous athlete in the country (maybe save Mickey Mantle) in the mid-’60s being notably and famously anti-war certainly led to lots of young men in the country saying, “Hell no, I won’t go.”

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So … now for what this means 50 years later. Suppose I asked you, “Which NFL players of recent vintage seem to have a piece of Muhammad Ali in them?” What would you say?

The first name on my tongue: Richard Sherman.

“I have been influenced incredibly by Ali,” Sherman, the Seahawks’ All-Pro cornerback, said by phone from Seattle on Saturday. “Incredibly. All I did as a kid was look for stories on Ali, and learn as much as I could about him. I feel what he did. I am impacted by it. My approach to adversity and circumstances as a player and dealing with adversity … it’s so much influenced by him.

“As a kid, he helped me believe that anything is possible. I did my best to emulate his demeanor, his swagger. I felt, watching him and studying him, it was the right way to act as an athlete. As a player, this is what I took from him: He who believes he can’t be stopped can’t be stopped. That’s what I’ve taken as mine throughout whatever adversity I’ve had. He made those words his reality, and I loved it. I’ve felt a connection to it.”

I asked Sherman: “Could an Ali exist today—taking three prime years of a sports career away for a cause?”

“I can’t see anyone doing it today,” Sherman said. “Different day and age. With social media, everyone’s got an opinion. The demonization of athletes by the media and the public would be hard to overcome. Athletes would be so scrutinized, so demonized. It’s like there is no forgiveness in this day and age.”

Last NFL team to have Ali in-house: the 2013 Baltimore Ravens. Coach John Harbaugh’s dad, Jack Harbaugh, was a big Ali fan and told his teams at Western Kentucky about how Ali pounded challenger Ernie Terrell in a fight once and screamed over and over: “WHAT’S MY NAME?”

That’s because Terrell wouldn’t call his foe Muhammad Ali; he would only call him Cassius Clay, a form of derision (Ali felt) that was mystifying and demeaning.


View: https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/738952205001056256/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


So Jack Harbaugh, on the weekend of the 2012 opener for the Ravens, joined Ali and wife Lonnie at a Ravens practice, and Jack told the team the story, Ali sitting in the background nodding and appreciating the story. Afterward, the players gave Ali a standing ovation.

The visit was recorded by the Ravens, and pulled from the files after Ali’s death, for all to see.

“Muhammad Ali was my dad’s hero,” John Harbaugh said on Saturday, “and when we brought him in, the faces on our players just dropped. They went crazy. For many of them, this was the idol of their dads and uncles and people in their families. Muhammad was frail, but the eyes—the eyes, man. He was still the intense, driven guy I remembered. He kind of changed the world, didn’t he? That day, you did sort of feel you were in the presence of someone really important, like the Pope.”

Harbaugh felt the way I did … not really able to put into words why Ali was the most significant athlete of the last 75 years—but just knowing he was.

“It’s hard to put the whole story together,” Harbaugh said. “Jackie Robinson was the perfect man for his time, and handled his role perfectly. Then Ali comes along at such a turbulent time, and he’s a change agent too, acting differently. They both made history.”

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The thing I found amazing about the life of Ali: In the span of 50 years, he went from villain to saint. And not just in the perception of what he did about Vietnam and civil rights. How about the $100 million he helped raise to fight the malady that ravaged him for the past 35 years, Parkinson’s disease? His tremors have been evident for years. But he never hid.

He partnered with medical authorities fighting the neurological disorder the way Steve Gleason is fighting ALS, the way Magic Johnson fought AIDS, the way Boomer Esiason is fighting cystic fibrosis. I disagree with Sherman that there’s no forgiveness in the age of Twitter trolldom. It might be harder, but it can happen. Ali is proof of that. What an incredible life Ali led, and how fortunate we’ve been to share in it.

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Nine Things I Think I Think

1. I think the reason so many NFL people loved Ali—and loved boxing in general—is the gladiator appeal of it. Just as players relish the man-on-man competitive aspect of their football jobs, they love watching good boxing footage too. When Eric Mangini coached the Jets, I remember one time seeing him the day before a game and he was excited to be hosting the trainer Teddy Atlas at his Saturday night team meeting, along with showing some fight highlights. “Why?” Mangini said that day. “Because the players identify with fighters. There’s no athletes they respect more.”

2. I think the NFL was short-sighted not to pass the sideline-video protocol. There’s no reason teams and players shouldn’t have the capability to see video of plays that just happened.

3. I think I’ve always admired Hall of Fame linebacker Harry Carson for his post-career dedication to the long-term head-trauma issues that plague so many former players. Now Carson has engaged a group of doctors and concussion victims to discuss the impact of concussions and lesser hits to the head. On Monday, Carson and his group of experts will give an educational program to media members at NYU Langone Medical Center in Manhattan at 10 a.m. “Education is so important in this area,” Carson said. “What we want to do is make sure the people who cover sports know the seriousness of what they’re dealing with.”

4. I think the Ryan Fitzpatrick solution is pretty simple: one year, $12 million, with (if necessary for cap purposes) a phony second year lessening the 2016 cap hit.

5. I think the Allen Hurns extension in Jacksonville (four years, $40 million) seems a little pricey for a guy who’s had one good season to this point (2015: 64 catches, 1,031 yards, 10 touchdowns). But I get where GM Dave Caldwell’s coming from. Draft/sign undrafted free-agents, develop them, have them buy in to what you’re doing, and reward them as core players. Hurns hasn’t earned that kind of money yet, but the Jags think it’s a matter of time.

6. I think it’s good to see Richie Incognito realistic (at least when in interview mode) about his public persona and the eyes that will be on him for as long as he plays football. Don Banks of SI.com got some good stuff out of the once-troubled Incognito, like this: “Some people won’t get past 2013 when it comes to me. That’ll be in their head forever and there’s nothing I can do to change that. I can only control what I do from here on out, and that is show up each day, work hard, and be a good person and a good teammate.” He played exactly that way in 2015 in Buffalo, and now it’s about continuing to do what’s right, year after year. If he does, Incognito’s going to have three or four rich years left.

7. I think I can’t get too fired up about the news that the Pro Bowl is moving from Hawaii to Orlando. I get that people are watching it, for some reason. But what I don’t get is why the players want so much for it to continue.

8. I think there’s a cost of making deals with guys who’ve had significant off-field problems, and the Cowboys are continuing to see it. Middle linebacker Rolando McClain—sometimes very good, sometimes not—is not attending voluntary workouts. Not the best idea for a marginal player who wouldn’t be marginal if he was as dedicated as he should be, on a defense that really needs impact players, for a team that expects Jaylon Smith to beat out McClain when Smith is healthy enough to play.

9. I think this qualifies as the greatest ejection from a health club of all time: A Planet Fitness employee kicked former Giants punter Steve Weatherford out for excessive grunting.

 

[Loyal]

Primetime, just messin with you, my man! :boxing: