Ravens experimenting with two-QB sets to get Lamar Jackson on the field more

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Ravens experimenting with two-QB sets to get Lamar Jackson on the field more

Jackson has apparently been wildly impressive during Ravens minicamp

For the last decade, the Baltimore Ravens have been quarterbacked by Joe Flacco. The Ravens selected him out of Delaware with the No. 18 overall pick in 2008, and he's started all but six of the Ravens' games ever since. He won Baltimore a Super Bowl back in 2012, but he's struggled since that point, and has been particularly bad over the last couple years.

And so, in his last draft running the team, general manager Ozzie Newsome traded up, down, forwards, backwards, and sideways and eventually landed the No. 32 overall pick, which he used on Louisville quarterback Lamar Jackson. Given Flacco's declining play and contract status (the Ravens can save $10.5 million by cutting Flacco after the 2018 season, and $18.5 million if they designate him a post-June 1 release), it seems likely that the Jackson era will be upon us sooner rather than later, no matter what happens this year.

But Jackson has already been so impressive during OTAs and minicamp that Ravens players are "in awe" of him and comparing him to a young Michael Vick, while the coaching staff is dreaming up more ways to get him on the field. That includes using two-quarterback sets, according to coach John Harbaugh.

"Gosh, I sure like him out there helping us," Harbaugh said, per ESPN.com. "If you put two quarterbacks on the field at once, what options does it create for our offense? That's what we're trying to figure out."

Jackson was easily the most athletic and fastest quarterback in this year's draft, and maybe in quite some time. He's so athletic that some teams wanted him to work out as a wide receiver. Jackson turned that down, because, well, he's a first-round quarterback prospect, so why on earth would he need to play another position? The Ravens insisted after the draft that they see Jackson strictly as a quarterback as well, but they're also using him to run the ball in some practices.

"I have a lot of fun seeing what they come up with and what they're going to come up with next," Jackson said. "We'll see where it goes. You have to use your good players."

A pretty easy way to make sure Jackson gets on the field is to just play him at quarterback. That's where this is heading eventually, anyway, but the team may be hesitant to bench its longtime starter for a rookie. The upside with Jackson is certainly significantly higher than it is with Flacco, though, and with a Ravens team that should once again have one of the NFL's best defenses, that could be enough to push them forward in the AFC North race.
 

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I find it interesting when teams think outside the box. The modern game is where it is today because of innovation. Heck, just over the past couple of decades we've seen the disappearance of the full-back and the development of the slot receiver, as an example. With the way athletes are today, it's conceivable an offense could be designed where the four backfield players all have strong throwing arms. I know it's far fetched but it would be fun if someone could pull it off.
 

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Well off the top of my head the first thing it creates is a deficit.

Your playing 10 v. 11

Could see it theoretically working if the "QB" can play another position as well. Terrelle Pryor comes to mind when stationing him as at a HB position with 2 RB sets and flexing him to QB, HB, or WR duties.

Trickery helps in putting points on the board but it shouldn't be the go-to approach for long-term wins, especially with Lamar Jackson being unproven in other positions during his collegiate career.
 

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I can see him creating some nightmares for DBs if they lateral to him and he then has the option to run or pass. I’m not sure how well it will work but it would be an interesting concept unlike having a poor throwing RB or receiver in that spot. Defenses would have to honor the passing ability.

My concern would be for his health as it is for any QB asked to run against NFL defenses. He has decent size so he might hold up but damn - there aren’t many running QBs that can hold up.
 

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So we could see the creation of the 3rd down QB?

Flacco must be stoked about this.
 

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Flacco must be stoked about this
If he still has a starting gig after this season he should thank his lucky stars. Dude has the Bradford touch on making money that is unwarranted. As much credit as Ozzie gets for his work as GM, that contract should be his black cloud.
 

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If he still has a starting gig after this season he should thank his lucky stars. Dude has the Bradford touch on making money that is unwarranted. As much credit as Ozzie gets for his work as GM, that contract should be his black cloud.

This was a bad situation for a GM to be in..........and they should have been more judicious and let him hit the market and taken a different approach through the draft or something.

IMO they thought with the team they had built they could still contend, but the run they had prior to winning the SB wasn't duplicated.

You never make a contract spend like that for a guy who has never been close to a Pro Bowl, has red flags like completion % AND a lousy TD to INT % AND a low YPA AND a spotty post season record AND prior to that playoff run had been pretty bad in as many games as he was average in his career.

He had red flags all over the place. Ozzie made a mistake, Harbaugh thought he could still contend with him at QB I think, and they underestimated the Steelers ability to stay in the hunt (and cheat).

In hindsight they should have Dilfered his ass.

I still think The Wizard was one of the best if not the best GM's we've seen. I hope Snead gets into the conversation after 10 more great years.
 

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I find it interesting when teams think outside the box. The modern game is where it is today because of innovation. Heck, just over the past couple of decades we've seen the disappearance of the full-back and the development of the slot receiver, as an example. With the way athletes are today, it's conceivable an offense could be designed where the four backfield players all have strong throwing arms. I know it's far fetched but it would be fun if someone could pull it off.

Good post.
 

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Normally when a team says they have co-starters at QB, they really don't have a starter. Plus, these evaluations are made without pads on....maybe see how the kid does running an offense and if he continues to look decent, then bench Flacco. I don't remember a team ever having Co-starting QBs and having sustained success in the regular season. Correct me if I'm wrong...
 

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This was a bad situation for a GM to be in..........and they should have been more judicious and let him hit the market and taken a different approach through the draft or something.

IMO they thought with the team they had built they could still contend, but the run they had prior to winning the SB wasn't duplicated.

You never make a contract spend like that for a guy who has never been close to a Pro Bowl, has red flags like completion % AND a lousy TD to INT % AND a low YPA AND a spotty post season record AND prior to that playoff run had been pretty bad in as many games as he was average in his career.

He had red flags all over the place. Ozzie made a mistake, Harbaugh thought he could still contend with him at QB I think, and they underestimated the Steelers ability to stay in the hunt (and cheat).

In hindsight they should have Dilfered his ass.

I still think The Wizard was one of the best if not the best GM's we've seen. I hope Snead gets into the conversation after 10 more great years.
Well, everybody knows that Flacco is only a 2 down QB
 

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Ravens may be heading into a tumultuous season. I doesn't seem like Flacco is going to be the starter for the full 2018 season.

I do not understand the 2-QB attack. If Jackson came out on the field, it would be an instant red flag to watch for a pass. Unlike a surprise play where you don't know it's coming; such as a WR reverse/pass trick play.

I don't think this 2-QB deal will go anywhere or be "revolutionary" at all.
 

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Normally when a team says they have co-starters at QB, they really don't have a starter. Plus, these evaluations are made without pads on....maybe see how the kid does running an offense and if he continues to look decent, then bench Flacco. I don't remember a team ever having Co-starting QBs and having sustained success in the regular season. Correct me if I'm wrong...
The Cardinals did it for a season or two before they benched Leinart or whatever his name was. Warner was the hurry up QB only. I don't remember how successful they were the seasons they did the sharing thing. They (obviously) did better when it was just Warner starting.
 

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The Cardinals did it for a season or two before they benched Leinart or whatever his name was. Warner was the hurry up QB only. I don't remember how successful they were the seasons they did the sharing thing. They (obviously) did better when it was just Warner starting.
Leinhart plain sucked. In 2006, Leinhart gained like 2500 yards and Kurt got maybe 1300 yards and the teams record was 5-12. In 2007, Kurt was clearly the starter, gaining 3400 (Leinhart 647 yards), and the team broke even at 8-8. Following year, Kurt took the Cards to the Super Bowl.

It was a failure, if that's what 2006 was..and got Denny Green fired.
 

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Leinhart plain sucked. In 2006, Leinhart gained like 2500 yards and Kurt got maybe 1300 yards and the teams record was 5-12. In 2007, Kurt was clearly the starter, gaining 3400 (Leinhart 647 yards), and the team broke even at 8-8. Following year, Kurt took the Cards to the Super Bowl.

It was a failure, if that's what 2006 was..and got Denny Green fired.
5-12 is a respectable record for a high quality team!

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In other news, didn't the Rams alternate QBs every other game one year in the 60's out the 50's? Where is someone really old?

I'd also like to say that I agree with your premise. Good teams have 1 QB starting, not 2. It's a rule (which occasionally have exceptions).
 

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Just let Lamar play , flaco has been extremely overpaid since he won the super bowl.

This is a way of giving Lamar more reps and making this transition easier