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I don't have the inclination to study all the players before the draft so I appreciate those that do. With that said, I do study them after they become Rams so here it is...

Tutu can fill a role and I suppose McVay got D Jax to fill it and is counting on him so show Tutu how it gets done. Let's start with what he obviously isn't. Dude can't block, doesn't win contested catches, has a tiny catch radius, and he can be tackled by a fingernail. I see only two traits that make him special. The first one is that he eats up space faster than I remember seeing in a long time. The second is that he stems his routes instantly to get the edge he's assigned to obtain. These two elite traits allow him to create space for himself and others. This tells me that McVay has plays designed that he wants and hasn't been able to utilize without those two traits.

Earnest Jones looks unremarkable on tape, but once again, it's a matter of the type of role they envision and how the player fits. The most difficult job for an NFL linebacker is to read his keys and instinctively do the job assigned. Entire offenses are predicated on confusing the defense and putting them in a bind. While many focus on the splash plays that make highlight reels, play in and play out performance is the mark of consistency that makes the most difference. That's hard to see on film unless you understand what the D Coordinator has planned. Yes, the player must be stout enough and fast enough to execute his assignments. Those two traits exist with this player. This "leadership grade" the Rams value is a nuance fans and analysts have no access to understand such intel. How do you respond to mistakes whether they are yours or others on the team? Can you trust the process when you aren't getting results? Can you absorb information and translate it instantly on the field? I don't know if Jones is that guy but apparently the Rams believe he is. He isn't well spoken but it's football, not homiletics.

Finally, my hopes for an upgraded offensive line have been dashed. The Rams must believe their development of the existing players is better than what I can see. Maybe they are right. Maybe Sean's plan for Stafford, Akers, and the WRs is so advanced that the OLine doesn't need to overwhelm...they just need to execute for three seconds and the scheme will do the rest. Perhaps the three years of development of a middling performer is better than a more physically gifted rookie. Maybe the plan is to pick up veteran depth later this offseason or they see players later in the draft that fit the profile they intend to develop. I guess the need to have Kiser/Jackson replacements if they get injured again is more essential. I really have no F'ing idea but nothing frustrates me more than seeing plays get blown up by defenders who bust into the backfield with little resistance. And nothing in football makes me happier than a bunch of pancakes that demoralize a defense. I guess Chuck Knox and John Robinson are dinosaurs and I just like dinosaurs. McVay has been generally successful in developing a running game so I'm just an idiotic old fan who doesn't get it. I doubt I ever will.
 
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This is just an opinion, but I think they have an understanding about Oline in the draft.......finding a starter tends to only happen a few times and high in the draft. I was always told that besides freaks like Orlando Pace, most linemen take 3 years to develope into "rockwall" status.

Given that, they want to get players that check boxes for whatever plan they have. I'm betting their scouts have Day 3 guys on the oline checked.
 

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Good post. To tag onto this - drafting a developmental O lineman may be worthwhile. Someone with the tools but not the polish - they wont help this year but maybe can be special down the road.
 

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I wonder if Kromer was pushing for major FA acquisitions and draft capital on the OL. Which didn’t set well with McSnead.

While Carberry was the opposite saying we have plenty of talent and maybe not utilized as well as it could be. Possibly him thinking he could build guys up and doesn’t require so-called top talent.

More likely I have no idea what I’m talking about lol
 

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I, for the most have been underwhelmed by the picks so far. But....... I also understand I do not possess the ability to evaluate players on the coaching staff/ management level. So I bow to their expertise. Hopefully the picks today will help my understanding on what the team's direction is.
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Great post!

We have somewhat been conditioned about the order of players taken and their production potential. O-line is a popular "must have" for almost every team, every year. And man there are just so many busts and players past over that proved to be much better.

It is way more complicated than that for any given team.

All these mock drafts really mean nothing tangible but those participating getting some fun out of them. The "experts" are trying to make a buck. Gives them much to talk about.

A few minutes from now things will move much faster for us. Thank god.
 

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I've never understood the freakouts over 21 year olds in which 80% of them aren't on their original team in 3 years or even in the league.

If you go back last year, what was the biggest problem? Offensive production. It wasn't the OL. They gave up 25 sacks and had a top 10 run game w/o a running QB. It was turnovers and low scoring. I still can't believe they only ranked 22nd in scoring. That's WITH the #1 defense. They go from Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp as the only guys, to a 2nd year Van, plus Desean and now Tutu. Oh and there's Tyler Higbee too. Defenses never repeat with the top rank, so the O had to get better. And they did. I'm getting giddy just typing that.

As far as Ernest Jones he's a depth guy. After Micah Kiser got hurt really was thin there. Thankfully his loss didn't really affect anything, with the D still 3rd in run D, nothing wrong with adding another body there.

There was hardly any movement on the OL, and it was decent to good last season. Let the guys they drafted only a couple years ago develop. This is their third year for a lot of them, no?
 

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I wonder if the lack of speed last year changed how the OL was asked to block. Seemed like less ZBS concepts last year to me. Maybe with DJax and Tutu, we will go back to more of the jet motion stuff and get back to the ZBS we saw so much in 2018?
 

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What McSnead see in Jones is something akin to what they saw in Fuller, an instictive high football IQ football player that reads and reacts and doesn't make many mistakes.
 

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The Rams appear to be quite high on Anchrum, and he was a 7'th rounder. There are 4 rounds left to the 2021 draft, let's give them a little time to pull another rabbit out of the hat ...
 

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I don't like this draft overall. Going into it I felt we needed to toughen up the lines. Didn't do that. Are the Rams right that they are sitting on gems that can do that? Maybe. But sometimes fans are right too.

I am hopeful they hit on all these guys. For me it isn't the specific players but the overall approach.

Can we establish the run in the playoffs vs physical fronts. And can we stand up to physical ground games.

Packers mashed us in the playoffs. From there we lost Brock and Fox. Looks bad from my seat but I am ready to get proved wrong.

Where we should be much better is the passing game. So I expect a higher win total based on that. And personally I am concerned about Morris at DC , will he need to simplify the calls in this scheme and all that. As I have said I think he was a friend hire hope it works out.

Gonna pound some coffee now and start watching film of our new Rams. :horns: :cool: :horns:
 

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Keep the faith brother Merlin. They got depth at ILB and DL. CB, OL is not as bad as we all have believed. Center question has been answered, already on the team. More help will come from camp cuts, UDFA.
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I don't like this draft overall. Going into it I felt we needed to toughen up the lines. Didn't do that. Are the Rams right that they are sitting on gems that can do that? Maybe. But sometimes fans are right too.

I am hopeful they hit on all these guys. For me it isn't the specific players but the overall approach.

Can we establish the run in the playoffs vs physical fronts. And can we stand up to physical ground games.

Packers mashed us in the playoffs. From there we lost Brock and Fox. Looks bad from my seat but I am ready to get proved wrong.

Where we should be much better is the passing game. So I expect a higher win total based on that. And personally I am concerned about Morris at DC , will he need to simplify the calls in this scheme and all that. As I have said I think he was a friend hire hope it works out.

Gonna pound some coffee now and start watching film of our new Rams. :horns: :cool: :horns:

If Bobby Brown III pans out, we could solve the issue of size on the defensive line. We also have four solid DE/DT prospects (Williams, Hoecht, Copeland, Banks) who are going to compete.

I agree; we need to draft a good offensive lineman in the fifth round.
 

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If Bobby Brown III pans out, we could solve the issue of size on the defensive line. We also have four solid DE/DT prospects (Williams, Hoecht, Copeland, Banks) who are going to compete.

I agree; we need to draft a good offensive lineman in the fifth round.
Yeah I may have posted too early with the picks coming in with two DL for the rotation. Both those guys have power profiles. Happy with that but will they make the roster who knows.

Feeling better about the DL that's for sure. Got my fingers crossed too. :biggrin:
 

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Yeah I may have posted too early with the picks coming in with two DL for the rotation. Both those guys have power profiles. Happy with that but will they make the roster who knows.

Feeling better about the DL that's for sure. Got my fingers crossed too. :biggrin:

We have solid depth along the defensive line. I agree that offensive line is still a concern.
 

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Now through 5 rounds and not one single, solitary, cameo, outlier, accidental offensive lineman. They simply don't give a flying F about upgrading that unit -- they believe in the players they have. My wife says I suck at hiding my feelings.
 

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Now through 5 rounds and not one single, solitary, cameo, outlier, accidental offensive lineman. They simply don't give a flying F about upgrading that unit -- they believe in the players they have. My wife says I suck at hiding my feelings.

Three 7th round picks so keep the faith, although I'm dying inside.
 

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Finally, my hopes for an upgraded offensive line have been dashed. The Rams must believe their development of the existing players is better than what I can see. Maybe they are right. Maybe Sean's plan for Stafford, Akers, and the WRs is so advanced that the OLine doesn't need to overwhelm...they just need to execute for three seconds and the scheme will do the rest. Perhaps the three years of development of a middling performer is better than a more physically gifted rookie. Maybe the plan is to pick up veteran depth later this offseason or they see players later in the draft that fit the profile they intend to develop. I guess the need to have Kiser/Jackson replacements if they get injured again is more essential. I really have no F'ing idea but nothing frustrates me more than seeing plays get blown up by defenders who bust into the backfield with little resistance. And nothing in football makes me happier than a bunch of pancakes that demoralize a defense. I guess Chuck Knox and John Robinson are dinosaurs and I just like dinosaurs. McVay has been generally successful in developing a running game so I'm just an idiotic old fan who doesn't get it. I doubt I ever will.

There would have been an experience gap and break in period even if we had drafted one of the board preferred centers. Even more so for a late rounder.

Carberry and McVay instead seem to be valuing the overall experience of their interior linemen both in the NFl and with the Rams' offense as highly as experience at center.

Blythe's strength was his experience at center and his line assignment calling ability and they let him walk. I think that the Rams are now willing to break in someone new (or bring back Allen) in part because they think Stafford can make up for any lack of experience in this regard.

The Rams imo have enough physically capable guys on the interior right now. (We'll see about resigning them next year.) They must also think that Allen or Shelton or Corbett or Anchrum can handle the blocking at center. And it isn't crazy to hope that one of them can do so better than Blythe.

The question now is, which of these dudes will play center and how well?
 

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The OL was good last year. If Corbett and Edwards prove, we will have four plus offensive linemen. The 5th could so be a plus.

The concern is the future - based on the way we drafted, might be letting Williams go and using that money to keep Corbett and Noteboom
 

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I wonder if Kromer was pushing for major FA acquisitions and draft capital on the OL. Which didn’t set well with McSnead.

While Carberry was the opposite saying we have plenty of talent and maybe not utilized as well as it could be.
That sounds pretty plausible to me.

But it's a position coaches job to pound the table for picks that they think will help their units.

But I think McVay and Snead think you can build a good offensive line with enough developmental players and players off the, "scrap heap".

Just keep getting enough of those guys off the waiver wire, through trade and spend only 4 through 7th round picks on them.

Kind of a numbers game to see who you can develop out.