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Rams tackle Greg Robinson working to correct 'technical' issues
By Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-ra...-robinson-working-to-correct-technical-issues

EARTH CITY, Mo. -- When St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher announced Monday that he was making a change at quarterback, he emphasized that quarterback was far from the only issue facing his offense.

"They all need to play better," Fisher said. "The receivers need to play better. The tight ends need to play better. Greg Robinson needs to play better. They all need to play better."

While Fisher is correct on all counts, it was hard not to notice that the only player he called by name was Robinson, the 2014 No. 2 overall pick turned starting left tackle. The call-out came after officials flagged Robinson three times for holding and he allowed a sack against the Chicago Bears in a 37-13 loss. Robinson was far from the only problem on the offense, let alone the offensive line, but he was certainly one of the most glaring.

That tends to happen when you come with the expectations of being picked second in the draft. The Rams picked Robinson over more polished tackles like Jake Matthews, Taylor Lewan and Zack Martin because they believed that his upside would ultimately make him a better player than the others. Little more than a year and a half into his career, the lack of polish has overwhelmed whatever upside exists.

This season, Robinson is the NFL's most penalized offensive player and is tied for the second-most flags of any player in the league, trailing only New Orleans cornerback Brandon Browner. Robinson has actually been flagged 11 times but two of those were not accepted.

To his credit, Robinson not only refuses to make excuses but also offers honest, detailed assessments of his performance. In fact, he's the first to admit that right now, he's just not good enough. The biggest reason? Fundamentals.

"I feel like I’ve made a lot of progress from year to year but there’s a lot I have struggled with technically this year," Robinson said. "I feel like as the season goes on, I just gain more confidence, just grow as a player, take the coaching and just build off what I’ve already started."

When asked to elaborate further on how he's struggling technically, he pointed to one thing in particular that continues to hold him back.

"I think I struggle in pass protection just slightly when I kick, just kicking up," Robinson said. "It’s something I see on film and it’s just lingered on for too long. So just this week, I’m focusing on my hands and just trying my best to be strict on my set."

When Robinson says he's "kicking up," he means that he has a bad habit of taking a step forward when in pass protection and creating a softer edge, which allows defenders to run past him.

Robinson also said he has a habit of occasionally swinging his arms outside on defenders, which leaves his chest open for defenders to bull rush and sometimes leads to holding penalties.

“He’s making progress from the standpoint of knowing exactly what to do, but how to do it has been a little inconsistent here as of late," Fisher said. "So, we have to keep working with him. The holdings, sometimes they’re called, sometimes they’re not. But, if they’re looking at him as a grabber right now, then he’s got to keep his hands inside.”

Moving forward, keeping his hands inside and making sure he's not moving up in his set will be focal points for Robinson. It sounds easy enough on the surface, but it's important to remember that Robinson came from a completely different scheme and mentality at Auburn. In the Tigers' run-heavy attack, Robinson was almost always moving forward, looking for someone to knock over.

So it should be no surprise that he now has to unlearn old techniques before he can fully embrace new ones.

"It just comes with repetition," Robinson said. "Once it happens to you one time, you learn from it and try your best for it not to happen again. But I feel like the things I was taught in college, I tried to transition it to the league and it’s just things that I think are fine are not and I don’t really know until the flag is called."

Robinson's struggles in Year 2 have undoubtedly brought outside skepticism about the draft pick from a fanbase that's endured first-round whiffs at the position, such as Alex Barron and Jason Smith. But Robinson is still just 21 total starts (18 starts at left tackle) into his NFL career. He bounced back and forth between guard and tackle before his rookie year and has been inundated with different teammates at left guard throughout that time.

Patience can be hard to find because the Rams need Robinson to produce at a high level now. Robinson himself acknowledges that he's been surprised by his inability to make the transition in short order, but also is remaining calm and working with offensive line coaches Paul Boudreau and Andy Dickerson to get better every week.

"Honestly, I thought my athletic ability would make up for a lot of it, but I’ve come a long way and I'm just taking the coaching," Robinson said. "Coach Bou and Andy, they have worked a lot with me and I feel like I’m making progress. It’s just coming with time."
 

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Rams tackle Greg Robinson working to correct 'technical' issues
By Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-ra...-robinson-working-to-correct-technical-issues

EARTH CITY, Mo. -- When St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher announced Monday that he was making a change at quarterback, he emphasized that quarterback was far from the only issue facing his offense.

"They all need to play better," Fisher said. "The receivers need to play better. The tight ends need to play better. Greg Robinson needs to play better. They all need to play better."

While Fisher is correct on all counts, it was hard not to notice that the only player he called by name was Robinson, the 2014 No. 2 overall pick turned starting left tackle. The call-out came after officials flagged Robinson three times for holding and he allowed a sack against the Chicago Bears in a 37-13 loss. Robinson was far from the only problem on the offense, let alone the offensive line, but he was certainly one of the most glaring.

That tends to happen when you come with the expectations of being picked second in the draft. The Rams picked Robinson over more polished tackles like Jake Matthews, Taylor Lewan and Zack Martin because they believed that his upside would ultimately make him a better player than the others. Little more than a year and a half into his career, the lack of polish has overwhelmed whatever upside exists.

This season, Robinson is the NFL's most penalized offensive player and is tied for the second-most flags of any player in the league, trailing only New Orleans cornerback Brandon Browner. Robinson has actually been flagged 11 times but two of those were not accepted.

To his credit, Robinson not only refuses to make excuses but also offers honest, detailed assessments of his performance. In fact, he's the first to admit that right now, he's just not good enough. The biggest reason? Fundamentals.

"I feel like I’ve made a lot of progress from year to year but there’s a lot I have struggled with technically this year," Robinson said. "I feel like as the season goes on, I just gain more confidence, just grow as a player, take the coaching and just build off what I’ve already started."

When asked to elaborate further on how he's struggling technically, he pointed to one thing in particular that continues to hold him back.

"I think I struggle in pass protection just slightly when I kick, just kicking up," Robinson said. "It’s something I see on film and it’s just lingered on for too long. So just this week, I’m focusing on my hands and just trying my best to be strict on my set."

When Robinson says he's "kicking up," he means that he has a bad habit of taking a step forward when in pass protection and creating a softer edge, which allows defenders to run past him.

Robinson also said he has a habit of occasionally swinging his arms outside on defenders, which leaves his chest open for defenders to bull rush and sometimes leads to holding penalties.

“He’s making progress from the standpoint of knowing exactly what to do, but how to do it has been a little inconsistent here as of late," Fisher said. "So, we have to keep working with him. The holdings, sometimes they’re called, sometimes they’re not. But, if they’re looking at him as a grabber right now, then he’s got to keep his hands inside.”

Moving forward, keeping his hands inside and making sure he's not moving up in his set will be focal points for Robinson. It sounds easy enough on the surface, but it's important to remember that Robinson came from a completely different scheme and mentality at Auburn. In the Tigers' run-heavy attack, Robinson was almost always moving forward, looking for someone to knock over.

So it should be no surprise that he now has to unlearn old techniques before he can fully embrace new ones.

"It just comes with repetition," Robinson said. "Once it happens to you one time, you learn from it and try your best for it not to happen again. But I feel like the things I was taught in college, I tried to transition it to the league and it’s just things that I think are fine are not and I don’t really know until the flag is called."

Robinson's struggles in Year 2 have undoubtedly brought outside skepticism about the draft pick from a fanbase that's endured first-round whiffs at the position, such as Alex Barron and Jason Smith. But Robinson is still just 21 total starts (18 starts at left tackle) into his NFL career. He bounced back and forth between guard and tackle before his rookie year and has been inundated with different teammates at left guard throughout that time.

Patience can be hard to find because the Rams need Robinson to produce at a high level now. Robinson himself acknowledges that he's been surprised by his inability to make the transition in short order, but also is remaining calm and working with offensive line coaches Paul Boudreau and Andy Dickerson to get better every week.

"Honestly, I thought my athletic ability would make up for a lot of it, but I’ve come a long way and I'm just taking the coaching," Robinson said. "Coach Bou and Andy, they have worked a lot with me and I feel like I’m making progress. It’s just coming with time."
I have patience But it wearing real thin!! It's time for production!!
 

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I have faith in Gregzilla. I have faith in him becoming a great left tackle. He has the physical attributes, the attitude for it, and he has the upside of being really, really young. And it's not like the would-be rapist Lewan is doing any better. Matthews, you could make an argument for, but I'd still take G-Rob's upside.
 

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Greg Robinson needs to play better.

Ouch, I think someone just got put on notice that I. Battle is breathing down their neck. And that's not a bad thing by Fisher in my opinion and glad to see it after a sub-par season so far. If Battle rounds out to the type of player he looks like he can be I'd be getting my **** together real fast if I was Robinson or he'll be moved to guard by next season which might be better for him anyway.
 

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My hope is that in this upcoming draft--if this regime is still in place mind you--they put a little more emphasis on ability to play right away. When you consider 4 year contracts, and 5 year for first rounders, it's something that cuts into the value, or should, of the player if he cannot be viable right out the gate.

I loved the GRob pick at the time. But in retrospect when you take guys like him and Quick in the first two rounds they have to at least project the potential to play well early on. Last year's draft seemed to rectify that with guys who had a lot of snaps along with health particularly in the OL picks. Guys who were not much longer on potential than production. I prefer that type of approach personally. This team doesn't need any more physical freaks with low production, it needs guys who show the F up on gameday and produce consistently.
 

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Very rare for any coach to to single out a guy like that for criticism to the media. It's good that Fish is as disappointed as we are in his play and progression but slightly worrying that he felt so desperate about it he took such a drastic step.

I sure hope it all clicks and comes together for Gregzilla soon. We can't afford another bust there. Some guys just never seem to "get it" all together. Time will tell I guess.
 

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Very rare for any coach to to single out a guy like that for criticism to the media. It's good that Fish is as disappointed as we are in his play and progression but slightly worrying that he felt so desperate about it he took such a drastic step.

I sure hope it all clicks and comes together for Gregzilla soon. We can't afford another bust there. Some guys just never seem to "get it" all together. Time will tell I guess.

It concerns me...about Fish. If he's calling out Robinson, but not Cook or Foles, that really worries me.
 

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Very rare for any coach to to single out a guy like that for criticism to the media. It's good that Fish is as disappointed as we are in his play and progression but slightly worrying that he felt so desperate about it he took such a drastic step.

I sure hope it all clicks and comes together for Gregzilla soon. We can't afford another bust there. Some guys just never seem to "get it" all together. Time will tell I guess.
I think Jeff was just getting ahead of the obvious questions that were coming. He likes to do that. To me, what speaks volumes, is that Robinson isn't making any excuses, even though some of those calls were horrible. He's a beast, a lot of us knew he'd take a minute to develop, because of his college experience. He is still a beast, and I agree with @Memento , that I would still take GR. I've seen Matthews play this year, he's not great, and if he was picked on, could easily have more holding penalties.
 

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My hope is that in this upcoming draft--if this regime is still in place mind you--they put a little more emphasis on ability to play right away.

I loved the GRob pick at the time. But in retrospect when you take guys like him and Quick in the first two rounds they have to at least project the potential to play well early on. Last year's draft seemed to rectify that with guys who had a lot of snaps along with health particularly in the OL picks. Guys who were not much longer on potential than production. I prefer that type of approach personally. This team doesn't need any more physical freaks with low production, it needs guys who show the F up on gameday and produce consistently.

I think you need and expect both and both type of guy. They don't pick a raw physical freak thinking he's just going to be a physical specimen for ever but not a football player. Those guys go in the 5th or 6th rounds not the first. They obviously felt they would develop and then turn into guys who show the f up every weekend, and because of their physical talent they'd turn up big. Quick was getting there but then got ruined by that injury. Seeing signs he's getting it going again now but his development has really been slowed. Greg - time will tell as I said.
 

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who thinks as soon as GR73 gets his first holding call, he gets benched
 

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who thinks as soon as GR73 gets his first holding call, he gets benched

If that happens before Cook gets benched, I'll wheel my way up to Earth City and demand that Fisher be fired.
 

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This kind of crap should have been taken care in the off-season. Nine games into the season and he still is struggling with fundamentals. There is no excuse, in my mind, for this to be a problem now. G-Rob had 6 months in the off-season plus training camp and the preseason to work on fundamentals. You want to play in this league, you better have this crap taken care of by the time camps starts. And I really getting to hate these guys drafting "a project who has great upside." By the time he starts showing his upside will be too late this season and possibly down the road. No excuse!
 

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This kind of crap should have been taken care in the off-season. Nine games into the season and he still is struggling with fundamentals. There is no excuse, in my mind, for this to be a problem now. G-Rob had 6 months in the off-season plus training camp and the preseason to work on fundamentals. You want to play in this league, you better have this crap taken care of by the time camps starts. And I really getting to hate these guys drafting "a project who has great upside." By the time he starts showing his upside will be too late this season and possibly down the road. No excuse!
Kinda what I was thinking... no, he's not a bust... but, geesh, seems his progression has come along awfully slow.

Boudreau?
 

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good Fisher stepped up and called him out but you know what else it was fucking obvious Robinson was being targeted for bullshit calls while watching the Bears Oline put our guys in choke holds. bitch ass little refs. you're on the competition committee Jeff so fucking call them out cus even the announcers were.
 

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"Honestly, I thought my athletic ability would make up for a lot of it, but I’ve come a long way and I'm just taking the coaching," Robinson said. "Coach Bou and Andy, they have worked a lot with me and I feel like I’m making progress. It’s just coming with time."
This right here is the biggest cause for all his struggles.

I have come to find out that it's been a huge chore to get Mr. Robinson in the film room. Veteran members of the unit have approached him numerous times trying to "teach" him how to prepare as a pro.

His unwillingness to put in the time because of his athleticism has been a source of frustration to more than just the coaches.

As much as they want to focus on technique IMO his lack of preparation has as much to do with it as anything else. The hesitation stemming from the uncertainty of not knowing his assignment on any given play causes a lot of the technique issues.

It's also a big reason to have a veteran lining up next to him.
 

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When you think back to how we could have traded down with Buffalo, or the rumored Dallas trade.......Zach Martin and another first......

Not really a hindsight thing either. Trading down that year was a popular choice as there were 3 great OL prospects. 4 if you count Lewan. It didn't make sense to me at the time, and drives me crazy now. GRob kinda sums up our whole team. Massive amounts of talent, no idea how to apply it in any consistent way.
 

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I found it interesting where he talked about things he learned and did in college draw a flag in the Pros. Obviously the guy needs to step it up. I think he will. It's not the physical inability like I saw with JS. It appears to be some fairly minor tweaks he needs to keep working on to get the position down for the NFL game. Let's just keep in mind that that is the toughest position on the line and he is not actually all that far behind Matthews in his grasp of the position. He will get better and I think it will even show this week.