Rams lobby for Quinn sack in KC

[Blue and Gold]

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/13453/robert-quinn-to-be-credited-with-another-sack

Robert Quinn to be credited with another sack
November, 7, 2014


EARTH CITY, Mo. -- After nearly two weeks of lobbying the NFL, the St. Louis Rams were informed this week that defensive end Robert Quinn will be credited with a third sack from the team's Oct. 26 game at Kansas City.

QuinnOn the play, Quinn chased down Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith from behind and clearly hit him behind the line of scrimmage, jarring the ball loose as it shot forward. At the time, the officials didn't spot the ball correctly, which actually led to Smith being credited with a 3-yard gain. In fact, the ball had been fumbled forward three yards and went out of bounds as Rams cornerback E.J. Gaines failed to recover it.

The play went down as a 3-yard gain, a fumble and a recovery all charged to Smith. Because the play was not handled correctly by the officials on the field, the league initially didn't know how to alter the play to account for the yards. It's expected that when Quinn is officially credited for the sack, those yards can be changed to what the league calls "miscellaneous" yards.

Regardless, the end result will be a third sack for Quinn in that game and six in the past three. It also would mean the Rams have a whopping 14 sacks as a team over the past three games.

"It was a tough one to get but a sack is a sack," Quinn said. "Add it on to the total. Guys are finally just getting on a roll, feeling comfortable out there. I think things are finally clicking as a defense the way we expected it to and hopefully we just keep on building from here on out."

 

[Blue and Gold]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_c9d6e5cb-a707-5b2a-8a73-f83710139cd8.html

Rams still trying to get Quinn his sack

Print By Jim Thomas jthomas@post-dispatch.com 314-340-8197



Late in the first quarter of the Rams' Oct. 26 game in Kansas City, defensive end Robert Quinn chased down Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith from behind and stripped the ball loose from behind.

The play occurred behind the line of scrimmage by a yard or two, so it was clearly a sack. Rams defender E.J. Gaines tried to fall on the fumble but it rolled out of bounds. So Kansas City maintained possession with the ball spotted at the 50.

But statisticians at Arrowhead Stadium ruled the play a three-yard gain for Smith instead of a sack. (The line of scrimmage was the 47 at the start of the play.)

The Rams have been trying to get that sack back for Quinn ever since, with even coach Jeff Fisher involved.


"They still have not ruled it officially a sack," Fisher said. "The action that took place on the field is clearly a sack. The officials miss-spotted the ball. There was an error in spotting the ball. So therefore we're being told they're having difficultly accounting for those yards.

"Every yard's accounted for, it falls into different categories. They don't have a miscellaneous category right now. So we're still working on it."

Sacks became an official stat in 1982, and sacks often are reviewed. Sometimes it's a matter of determining if the play occurred at or behind the line of scrimmage _ which would be a sack. Or if the quarterback's original intention was to throw the ball instead of running it.

And sometimes it's a case of sorting out who actually brought the QB down in a scrum of bodies by reviewing game film.

So a review process to determine sack or no sack is relatively routine. But it usually doesn't take nearly four weeks _ as is the case with Quinn's play _ to sort it out.

"Yeah, it's one of those unusual things that happens once every few years," Fisher said.

So the official league stats still have Quinn credited with six sacks, instead of seven.

It's not uncommon for defensive linemen to have incentives in their contracts based on number of sacks. (That's not the case with Quinn.)

But every sack helps build a pass-rusher's reputation and his chance for postseason honors, such as the Pro Bowl. Near the end of last season, a league review that awarded Indianapolis' Robert Mathis a sack allowed him to edge Quinn for the inaugural Deacon Jones Award as the NFL's sack champion for the 2013 season _ 19 1/2 sacks to Quinn's 19.

Fisher said getting the sack added to Quinn's total, "is very important for our defense, for Rob, and the play itself. It's a sack. I have not given up yet."

As for Quinn himself, naturally he'd like to get credit for the sack but he's not stressing over it.

"No need to sit there and lose sleep about it, right?" he said. "Can't do anything about it except keep going about my preparation."

 

[TheDYVKX]

That was from November 7th. It still hasn't been rewarded to him.

 

[Blue and Gold]

That was from November 7th. It still hasn't been rewarded to him.

Yes, I screwed up the title, and couldn't change it. I meant to post that was was supposed to happen, but still hasn't. Also, remember it was Robert Mathis's extra sack in KC in 2013 that gave him to sack title. So, if Quinn does not get it then the KC stat crew will have screwed him twice in less than 12 months. Part of the Governor's Cup privileges, I guess

 

[TheDYVKX]

Yes, I screwed up the title, and couldn't change it. I meant to post that was was supposed to happen, but still hasn't. Also, remember it was Robert Mathis's extra sack in KC in 2013 that gave him to sack title. So, if Quinn does not get it then the KC stat crew will have screwed him twice in less than 12 months. Part of the Governor's Cup privileges, I guess

Yeah, it's terrible that he hasn't gotten the sack yet. It was clearly a sack. He should have 10 sacks right now.

 

[Jumava1968]

How long does it take to review a play like that geez just give him what he earned.

 

[PowayRamFan]

Buzzkiller, thought he finally got his due. Roger and his cronies are too busy hiding right now to deal with stuff like this. :jerkoff:

 

[Blue and Gold]

http://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2015/02/bruce-smith-200-or-201.html

Friday, February 20, 2015

Bruce Smith, 200 or 201?

LOOKING AT ERRORS IN THE OFFICIAL SACK ERA

t’s not a major difference, but does show that prior to 1987 when Elias Sports Bureau insisted on reviewing sacks there were small discrepancies and it shows that even though sacks were official beginning in 1982 that sacks are a tough statistic to score and on occasion it’s a matter of opinion.The best evidence would be the game film or television copy of the game, but those may not still exist. So, using the best evidence at this point, it is that Smith has 201 career sacks.


Art credit: John Turney
On a related note, in 2014 when the St. Louis Rams traveled to Kansas City there was another type of scoring anomaly that shorted Robert Quinn of a rightly earned sack.

Early in that game Quinn tacked down Chief quarterback Alex Smith and stripped the ball from him behind the line of scrimmage and the ball traveled forward a few yards where it went out of bounds. The Chiefs’s official scorers ruled it a running play likely because the officiating crew marked the ball improperly.

For weeks, to no avail, the Rams challenged the scoring. Team officials were told that Elias was having trouble accounting for the yardage since miscellaneous yards were no longer a category for odd plays like this. Rams coach Jeff Fisher said, "Yeah, it's one of those unusual things that happens once every few years". Quinn was disappointed, but also shrugged it off, "No need to sit there and lose sleep about it, right?" he said.

 

[Legatron4]

http://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2015/02/bruce-smith-200-or-201.html

Friday, February 20, 2015

Bruce Smith, 200 or 201?

LOOKING AT ERRORS IN THE OFFICIAL SACK ERA

t’s not a major difference, but does show that prior to 1987 when Elias Sports Bureau insisted on reviewing sacks there were small discrepancies and it shows that even though sacks were official beginning in 1982 that sacks are a tough statistic to score and on occasion it’s a matter of opinion.The best evidence would be the game film or television copy of the game, but those may not still exist. So, using the best evidence at this point, it is that Smith has 201 career sacks.


Art credit: John Turney
On a related note, in 2014 when the St. Louis Rams traveled to Kansas City there was another type of scoring anomaly that shorted Robert Quinn of a rightly earned sack.

Early in that game Quinn tacked down Chief quarterback Alex Smith and stripped the ball from him behind the line of scrimmage and the ball traveled forward a few yards where it went out of bounds. The Chiefs’s official scorers ruled it a running play likely because the officiating crew marked the ball improperly.

For weeks, to no avail, the Rams challenged the scoring. Team officials were told that Elias was having trouble accounting for the yardage since miscellaneous yards were no longer a category for odd plays like this. Rams coach Jeff Fisher said, "Yeah, it's one of those unusual things that happens once every few years". Quinn was disappointed, but also shrugged it off, "No need to sit there and lose sleep about it, right?" he said.

Bullshit.

 

[DaveFan'51]

The best evidence would be the game film or television copy of the game, but those may not still exist

NFL Films has it all!!

 

[Blue and Gold]

The other day NFL Network compared one of the DE’s at the combine to Quinn. Showing his relentless style and how he causes fumbles to create sacks. Play used on TV…the Kansas City play that was not a "sack".

 

[A55VA6]

The other day NFL Network compared one of the DE’s at the combine to Quinn. Showing his relentless style and how he causes fumbles to create sacks. Play used on TV…the Kansas City play that was not a "sack".

lol wow.