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Rams get taste of what they want in Redskins' run game, run defense
By Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-ra...ame-and-run-defense-a-taste-of-what-rams-seek

LANDOVER, Md. -- When it comes to the X's and O's of why the St. Louis Rams lost to the Washington Redskins on Sunday, there's not much need to go too far in depth.

"In order for us to win the game," Rams coach Jeff Fisher said, "we were going to have to run it and stop the run and get off the field on third down, and we didn't do any one of those with any consistency."

For the Rams and their fans, perhaps the most disturbing part of Sunday's 24-10 loss to Washington was that they lost to a team playing the exact brand of football the Rams aspire to play.

The Redskins battered the Rams with a consistent, yet occasionally explosive, two-headed run game that made life easier for quarterback Kirk Cousins. On the other side of the coin, the Redskins took advantage of the Rams' young offensive line by shutting down their run game to keep St. Louis in third-and-long situations and then getting after quarterback Nick Foles.

"We didn't have any opportunities," Fisher said. "We couldn't put a drive together and they kept the ball."


Tre Mason gained just 26 yards on seven carries Sunday, further evidence the Rams need Todd Gurley on the field.
Yes, the Redskins kept the ball for what seemed like the entire game. As of this morning, they probably still have it.

All week, Rams players and coaches alike espoused the importance of stopping the run in order to rush the passer. With new offensive line coach Bill Callahan helping install a run game the Redskins hope resembles Dallas' of last year, Washington threw a different running attack at the Rams than the one they shut down last December.

To great effect.

Washington running backs Alfred Morris and Matt Jones gashed the Rams defense repeatedly. By the time it was over, Jones and Morris combined for 182 yards on 37 carries, an average of 4.9 yards per attempt. The immediate returns on that success were obvious as Washington had the ball for 37 minutes, 44 seconds and converted eight of 16 third-down opportunities. Cousins completed 23 of 27 passes.

The trickle-down effect was even greater.

"If you can't stop the run, you never get a chance to rush the passer and we don't get to play to our strength," Rams defensive end Chris Long said. "We never got out of that part of the ballgame where you can dissuade them from running the ball."

It didn't help that the Rams offense offered little help to a defense that rarely had a chance to come up for air. Against Seattle last week, the Rams used running back Benny Cunningham on screen passes as an extension of the run. So while the run game only mustered 76 yards on an average of 2.92 yards per rush against the Seahawks, the Rams were able to overcome it with Cunningham's four catches for 77 yards.

Having done their homework, the Redskins were unfazed by Fisher's week-long gamesmanship about the availability of running back Tre Mason and rookie Todd Gurley. Mason returned to the lineup and Gurley was inactive as expected -- and the Redskins offered little to no running room, regardless of who carried the ball.

Mason finished with 26 yards on seven carries and Cunningham carried once for no gain. In the screen game, Cunningham again had four catches but this time there was no room to operate as he finished with 27 receiving yards. Tavon Austin led the Rams in rushing with 40 yards on four carries, but even that limited success came mostly in the second half.

At halftime, the Rams had seven carries for 17 yards, four first downs and their longest drive went for a whopping four plays. All told, the Rams were 2 of 12 on third down.

"Everybody knows the run game and pass game work (together)," tight end Jared Cook said. "It’s going to be a long day if you can’t run it. I think the second half, we made some adjustments, got Tre going a little bit and went down the field, which opened it up for Kenny. We have just got to stick to the plan and stick to the script and keep going."

After the game, Fisher said that Gurley will be week-to-week moving forward. Given the Rams' offensive line woes, expecting Gurley to be the magic elixir is probably unfair.

But for a team that's managed just 143 yards on 39 carries (3.67 yards per carry) in the first two games, the Rams no longer just want Gurley in the lineup. They need him.
 

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Fisher might wanna scrap that run first philosophy if it ain't working. But it ain't gonna happen. Coach's know if a Fisher team can't run he'll force feed it till they can. If they can.
 

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What I haven't figured out yet is if our lack of running success is due to design or execution or we just don't have the right talent mix.
In just watching the games thus far you see a ton of missed blocks so I hope it's just poor execution and they get better as the season goes on.
 

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The Rams have to be the worst in the league at the running the ball this season. The execution has been poor, so much for the big imposing scary Oline, and they had less than a stellar commitment to the run yesterday, totaling 13 rush attempts.
The other issue is Foles. The Foles I don't like showed up yesterday. He can't deal with pressure. He bails. One the second (I believe) possession yesterday he dropped back to pass, the entire O line blocked their guys to his right....there was nothing but room to slide to left and buy himself probably 2 or 3 seconds of extra time to try and find a guy....he does what he always does, rolls to the right. This allows a rusher that Saffold was blocking to just break away from Saffold and chase him. He created pressure on that play. To his credit he does make bad throws and throw pics, that is a good thing. But, he really struggles if he perceives any pressure, real or otherwise, to find receivers and make plays. The Ram WRs don't seem to be getting a ton of separation either....something I have noticed kind of league wide this year. Most of the passing game is going to the TEs after receivers clear for them or check downs to the RBs.
Maybe it is coaching the line up, maybe scheme but the Rams got their asses kicked yesterday.
Cousins is a good example of what a running game can do for a QB. Foles needs a running game.
The Rams need to really commit to the running game. Next week vs. Pittsburgh the Rams need to run the ball and keep running the ball regardless of results. Firstly if they leave their D on the field for extended periods of time (3 and outs over and over) the Steelers will put up points....because they can score passing or running and Ben won't be bothered that much by a rush. Secondly for the sake of the big picture they need to commit to the run in a real way or we will continue to see sad performances on O like yesterday.
Cig is failing at getting Austin involved as well, in the passing game anyway. I don't think he has broken 10 yards receiving yet.
 

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Something ironic about Jared Cook being quoted as to the effectiveness of the run game. It was a shocking difference watching the Redskins TEs block so well. A power running game identity isn't just all about the OL, there's also supposed to be TEs blocking, too.
 

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Something ironic about Jared Cook being quoted as to the effectiveness of the run game. It was a shocking difference watching the Redskins TEs block so well. A power running game identity isn't just all about the OL, there's also supposed to be TEs blocking, too.
Agreed. The whole thing.
The good news is the line is so young it stands to reason there will be improvement. It was flat depressing to see similar performances running the ball when the line was filled with older vets.
 

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Maybe the team needs to adopt the skins running game approach they used yesterday? It seem very effective. Hope I don't have to watch the team do what they did yesterday over and over this year! It would make for a long season!
 

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Tre Mason only got 7 carries, he didn't exactly get the opportunity to do anything. . . .
 

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The irony is that all these guys that were drafted are supposedly run blocking monsters.... Yet they suck balls at opening up running lanes. Damn near every one of them.
 

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The irony is that all these guys that were drafted are supposedly run blocking monsters.... Yet they suck balls at opening up running lanes. Damn near every one of them.
Agreed, but rookie OL having a bad game is somewhat more understandable than established and expensive vets not blocking.
 

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What I haven't figured out yet is if our lack of running success is due to design or execution or we just don't have the right talent mix.
In just watching the games thus far you see a ton of missed blocks so I hope it's just poor execution and they get better as the season goes on.
I don't think we will know for sure until we get Watts Back and Gurley get's in their!
But there were a lost of Passes that should have been caught Sunday that weren't!
 

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trying to run the ball behind two rookies, a first year starter and an underperforming left tackle didn't work? well darn I was sure that was the answer. well at least we can still throw it sometimes. what do you mean Foles was throwing dead ducks through the air when he had time? but I thought he was decently accurate?

oh don't mind me guys I'm just having a conversation with myself and imaginary Jeff Fisher over here
 

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Last week we opened up a lot of holes, and just missed on some. This week, there was nothing. Credit Washington, it's almost like they found a tell.
 

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Tre Mason only got 7 carries, he didn't exactly get the opportunity to do anything. . . .
they only had the ball for 22 minutes and were typically in 3rd and long. the same inconsistent play that has plauged this team for years. and while they didnt get a lot of yards running vs seattle they did compliment it with benny's 77 yds receiving. this team will have to play like its a seattle home opener every week if they want to compete for the playoffs.
 

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Well, you draft man moving refrigerators and decide to run zone blocking schemes. What did you think was going to happen. This is the same shit we went through last year with Schotty's little experiment with a wide open west coast passing game. It didn't work, and Fisher went back to the running game. We'll get it fixed by about the 4th week again.
 

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Rams get taste of what they want in Redskins' run game, run defense
By Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-ra...ame-and-run-defense-a-taste-of-what-rams-seek

LANDOVER, Md. -- When it comes to the X's and O's of why the St. Louis Rams lost to the Washington Redskins on Sunday, there's not much need to go too far in depth.

"In order for us to win the game," Rams coach Jeff Fisher said, "we were going to have to run it and stop the run and get off the field on third down, and we didn't do any one of those with any consistency."

For the Rams and their fans, perhaps the most disturbing part of Sunday's 24-10 loss to Washington was that they lost to a team playing the exact brand of football the Rams aspire to play.

The Redskins battered the Rams with a consistent, yet occasionally explosive, two-headed run game that made life easier for quarterback Kirk Cousins. On the other side of the coin, the Redskins took advantage of the Rams' young offensive line by shutting down their run game to keep St. Louis in third-and-long situations and then getting after quarterback Nick Foles.

"We didn't have any opportunities," Fisher said. "We couldn't put a drive together and they kept the ball."


Tre Mason gained just 26 yards on seven carries Sunday, further evidence the Rams need Todd Gurley on the field.
Yes, the Redskins kept the ball for what seemed like the entire game. As of this morning, they probably still have it.

All week, Rams players and coaches alike espoused the importance of stopping the run in order to rush the passer. With new offensive line coach Bill Callahan helping install a run game the Redskins hope resembles Dallas' of last year, Washington threw a different running attack at the Rams than the one they shut down last December.

To great effect.

Washington running backs Alfred Morris and Matt Jones gashed the Rams defense repeatedly. By the time it was over, Jones and Morris combined for 182 yards on 37 carries, an average of 4.9 yards per attempt. The immediate returns on that success were obvious as Washington had the ball for 37 minutes, 44 seconds and converted eight of 16 third-down opportunities. Cousins completed 23 of 27 passes.

The trickle-down effect was even greater.

"If you can't stop the run, you never get a chance to rush the passer and we don't get to play to our strength," Rams defensive end Chris Long said. "We never got out of that part of the ballgame where you can dissuade them from running the ball."

It didn't help that the Rams offense offered little help to a defense that rarely had a chance to come up for air. Against Seattle last week, the Rams used running back Benny Cunningham on screen passes as an extension of the run. So while the run game only mustered 76 yards on an average of 2.92 yards per rush against the Seahawks, the Rams were able to overcome it with Cunningham's four catches for 77 yards.

Having done their homework, the Redskins were unfazed by Fisher's week-long gamesmanship about the availability of running back Tre Mason and rookie Todd Gurley. Mason returned to the lineup and Gurley was inactive as expected -- and the Redskins offered little to no running room, regardless of who carried the ball.

Mason finished with 26 yards on seven carries and Cunningham carried once for no gain. In the screen game, Cunningham again had four catches but this time there was no room to operate as he finished with 27 receiving yards. Tavon Austin led the Rams in rushing with 40 yards on four carries, but even that limited success came mostly in the second half.

At halftime, the Rams had seven carries for 17 yards, four first downs and their longest drive went for a whopping four plays. All told, the Rams were 2 of 12 on third down.

"Everybody knows the run game and pass game work (together)," tight end Jared Cook said. "It’s going to be a long day if you can’t run it. I think the second half, we made some adjustments, got Tre going a little bit and went down the field, which opened it up for Kenny. We have just got to stick to the plan and stick to the script and keep going."

After the game, Fisher said that Gurley will be week-to-week moving forward. Given the Rams' offensive line woes, expecting Gurley to be the magic elixir is probably unfair.

But for a team that's managed just 143 yards on 39 carries (3.67 yards per carry) in the first two games, the Rams no longer just want Gurley in the lineup. They need him.


[QOUTE] Tre Mason gained just 26 yards on seven carries Sunday, further evidence the Rams need Todd Gurley on the field.

Give me a break, the only thing that Gurley would have gotten behind this O line is hurt.
 

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Last week we opened up a lot of holes, and just missed on some. This week, there was nothing. Credit Washington, it's almost like they found a tell.

Well, if we give credit to Washington, doesn't that portend a very long season? It's difficult enough to get wins, without losing the ones you shouldn't. I also think we got a glimpse of what they should have been in the 3rd Q, so what happened with the other 3 Q's?
 

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A show of hands...

How many here understood that this young, inexperienced Oline woould take a few real games to get their sea legs?

Now, if you raised your hand, kindly put it down and watch the next few games.

If, by then, things don't improve, feel free to explode! ;):LOL:
 

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Well, if we give credit to Washington, doesn't that portend a very long season? It's difficult enough to get wins, without losing the ones you shouldn't. I also think we got a glimpse of what they should have been in the 3rd Q, so what happened with the other 3 Q's?
No, I don't the two are exclusive. We will get better, we will be better prepared, and our guys will play harder. I truly believe that. As far as 3Q, asses chewed, and halftime adjustments. We need to do better at in game adjustments.
 
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