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The Oakland Raiders are going to move to Las Vegas. I am finally convinced of it.

After being a skeptic throughout this process and especially in the aftermath of owner Mark Davis’ deal with casino magnate Sheldon Adelson falling apart around the Super Bowl, there are too many people I trust telling me this has become basically a fait accompli for me to deny it any longer. By Monday night, Davis will be cracking open the bubbly and toasting to his future on the Strip, because with the NFL including a formal vote on Vegas on its official agenda for the annual spring meeting, there is almost no time for this to fall apart now.

The league is incredibly careful about if or when a matter this large gets before the entire caucus of 32 owners for a relocation vote, and the mere fact that a vote of that very nature is schedule for Monday is further indication that the Raiders are on the move. Yes, there will be contingencies involved, and yes, the NFL teams have yet to receive the full binder detailing the minutia and specifics of the agenda items. And, sure, the all-powerful stadium and finance committees will conduct a conference call this week to iron out Vegas’ loose strings before the league converges on Phoenix starting Sunday for the meeting.

But this is happening.

Time for Oakland has basically run out, and even with Davis being of limited means -- by NFL owner standards -- and being of moderate clout, he is about to accomplish his goal of leaving the Bay Area for a sweetheart deal in Las Vegas, however shortsighted that might turn out to be for him and the league.

“This is going to happen,” said one well-connected league source who has been in close contact with many influential owners on this matter. “Enough people will hold their noses and pray for the best and vote this through. Oakland -- and by Oakland I mean the government officials there -- hasn’t stepped up nearly enough, and the league is ready to put this to a vote. And while there is some trepidation about this market, it is going to pass.”

One high ranking official with one of the league’s more conservative franchises said that despite his owner’s concerns over the city’s obvious gambling connections and despite the fact that Oakland is the superior television market with superior population demographics, this is imminent. “Mark will get the 24 votes he needs,” the executive said. “If it’s going to a vote, that’s because the votes are there. If my guy is going to vote for it, then this team is moving.”

There are still some issues to sort out, but none the NFL appears to consider significant enough to push a vote back to May or October. Even with a new stadium in Vegas not being ready until 2019 at the earliest and even with the Raiders soon to be in need of temporary residence anyway, this movement is strong. Bank of America stepping in to finance the deal in the aftermath of Adelson bailing (taking Goldman Sachs investment banking money with him) has saved the day.

Yes, there are some worries about what the debt ratio will be on this project. There are concerns about whether the franchise or the stadium could be used as collateral (which is a no-no). There are some unknowns about how the exact language of the lease will read. But those are trumped by the $750 million in free money coming the league’s way, to say nothing of the relocation fee. These owners are ready to take this bird in hand -- albeit one in a lesser locale -- rather than continue to wait for one to develop in the Bay Area bush.

The other teams are awaiting more details from the NFL on precisely what they will be voting on, and the expectation is that the vote will be contingent on Davis meeting certain criteria in terms of the financial of the stadium and debts, etc. The mystery of who will actually develop and construct the stadium and the area immediately around it is coming into focus as well, with league sources strongly suggesting that billionaire mogul Ed Roski -- who is thought of highly in ownership circles and who tried previously to bring NFL football to the Los Angeles area -- will end up overseeing the project.

There are no longer worries that Adelson may be a hurdle to any construction there -- given some of the sore feelings between him and the Raiders after their potential partnership dissolved -- and Roski is well equipped to handle a project of this magnitude. And unlike Davis, who grossly underestimated the role of working with and to some degree appeasing UNLV officials in some of his initial dealings in Nevada, Roski is positioned to ensure the collegiate and professional football gods are appeased. “Roski has been working with UNLV for years,” one ownership source said. “He understands some of the nuance here.”

I suspect there will be a dissenting voice or two come Monday afternoon in the grand ballrooms at the luxurious Biltmore Hotel. An owner or two will remind the group, and commissioner Roger Goodell, that the NFL established the G4 stadium funding plan in the first place to keep owners from making potentially shortsighted decisions to leave a better and more populous marker for a lesser one, demographically, simply because of a stadium deal.

But the allure of all of those dollar signs has set in. And the frustration with the lack of traction in Oakland -- at least as perceived by the league office and the owners -- has only grown. The wind is blowing in Vegas’s direction and that’s not going to change now, this late in the game. The Raiders will continue to pitch the idea that the limited population in that area will be offset by the influx of fans from Oakland and Los Angeles into the desert on weekends to attend games.

Oh, and did I mention the $750 million?

It may end up being a very big mistake. Five to 10 years from now, there might be a lot of regret about the strength of this market and its foreclosures and weaker population and transient nature. Especially as compared to the boom town that Oakland and the Bay Area continue to be. But Jerry Jones has been championing this project and Bob Kraft is on board, and Davis has a viable enough deal to present, one he is set on presenting.

He’s a mere 24 votes away from moving this storied franchise, yet again. And it certainly appears those votes are essentially already in hand.
 

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Raiders relocation fee reportedly far less than Chargers / Rams

The Oakland Raiders, if they get their way, will soon become the Las Vegas Raiders. The team has been working on securing financing for a stadium in Las Vegas, and when Bank of America stepped up after billionaire hotel magnate Sheldon Adelson dropped out, the Raiders moved closer to making the move a reality.

But securing stadium financing isn’t the only hurdle when a team wants to move. You have to get the votes of 24 of the other 31 team owners, of course, and then there’s the matter of the relocation fee. According to a report from The MMQB’s Albert Breer, the Raiders’ fee is set to be far lower than those paid by the Los Angeles Ramsand Los Angeles Chargers, who moved to L.A. from St. Louis and San Diego.

The Raiders aren’t packing for Vegas yet, but there may be no stopping them now. The league has made workable one potential road block for owner Mark Davis’ team, setting a range of $325 million to $375 million for the franchise’s relocation fee, sources tell The MMQB. That’s relatively affordable compared to the $650 million the Rams and Chargers each paid to relocate to Los Angeles.

So, even if you take the high end of that reported fee range, the Raiders would only be paying about 58 percent as much to move to Vegas as the Rams and Chargers did to move to L.A. On the low end, they would pay exactly half. That’s a pretty decent break for Mark Davis.

As CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora reported, it’s now considered fait accompli that the Raiders’ move will be approved by the owners in a vote Monday . They have the backing of one of the most powerful owners in the league in Jerry Jones, they have a stadium deal and financing, and they appear to have the votes. “Mark will get the 24 votes he needs,” an executive told La Canfora. “If its going to a vote that’s because the votes are there. If my guy is going to vote for it, then this team is moving.”
 

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This one is easy and I actually think it will be a good venture...Oakland had ample opportunities and they did not step up and I disagree with Oakland booming down the road. They will lose the A's and the Golden State Warriors are more San Francisco than Oakland....Mark Davis simply wants to get paid.
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If I was Stan... I'd have to know why Captain Bowl Cut wasn't being required to pay the same fee I had to for relocation.

Once I heard the ridiculous excuse for his fee being half of what my mine is... I would be demanding that Little Lord Fauntleroy pay the same as me, or that my fee be reduced to the same number he's being asked to pay.
 
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The amount of "don't care" about the Raiders, is near limitless. The only thing I care about is that if the Raiders are that close to LA, then Raider fans won't attach to the Chargers. FARK the Chargers and them horning into the Rams territory in LA!:rant:

I hope the Chargers can't fill a 30,000 seat stadium, let alone the cavern-to-be in Inglewood....
 

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If I was Stan... I'd have to know why Captain Bowl Cut wasn't being required to pay the same fee I had to for relocation.

Once I heard the ridiculous excuse for his fee being half of what my mine is... I would be demanding that Little Lord Fauntleroy pay the same I me, or that my fee be reduced to the same number he's being asked to pay.


The league could merely say that Stan got his first choice market. He got LA first - the same place that the Raiders and Charged had wanted. Raiders are getting their second choice and a lesser market thus a lesser fee. Raiders would have paid the same fee for LA....but they did not get it.
 

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If I was Stan... I'd have to know why Captain Bowl Cut wasn't being required to pay the same fee I had to for relocation.

Once I heard the ridiculous excuse for his fee being half of what my mine is... I would be demanding that Little Lord Fauntleroy pay the same I me, or that my fee be reduced to the same number he's being asked to pay.

The league could merely say that Stan got his first choice market. He got LA first - the same place that the Raiders and Charged had wanted. Raiders are getting their second choice and a lesser market thus a lesser fee. Raiders would have paid the same fee for LA....but they did not get it.

Agreed with drasconis, Stan paid for the right to throw St. Louis under the bus to get his wet dream relocation fast tracked before anyone else. It is more than fair. Now if I was Dean Spanos I'd be furious over this. That dude has followed the rules for decades now trying to get a new stadium in San Diego only to be bullied out of the LA market by Stan and Jerry Jones and when he finally gets there he gets charged the same relocation fee only to have Mark Davis get charged half a year later? Ouch.
 

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Agreed with drasconis, Stan paid for the right to throw St. Louis under the bus to get his wet dream relocation fast tracked before anyone else. It is more than fair. Now if I was Dean Spanos I'd be furious over this. That dude has followed the rules for decades now trying to get a new stadium in San Diego only to be bullied out of the LA market by Stan and Jerry Jones and when he finally gets there he gets charged the same relocation fee only to have Mark Davis get charged half a year later? Ouch.


Yeah... feelings have nothing to do with this.

Neither Spanos or Capt Bowl Cut had the money to build an NFL stadium. Both of these guys are relying on others others to relocate their teams.

Relocation is Relocation. There is no reason the the fees should be less for the Raiders. If anything, since it's happening at a later date, the fee should be MORE.

Stan and that loser Spanos should be asking for a reduction.
 

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This one is easy and I actually think it will be a good venture...Oakland had ample opportunities and they did not step up and I disagree with Oakland booming down the road. They will lose the A's and the Golden State Warriors are more San Francisco than Oakland....Mark Davis simply wants to get paid.
This one is easy and I actually think it will be a good venture...Oakland had ample opportunities and they did not step up and I disagree with Oakland booming down the road. They will lose the A's and the Golden State Warriors are more San Francisco than Oakland....Mark Davis simply wants to get paid.
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Mark Davis goofy trademark orange Prince Valiant-half serial killer-esk bowl cut.
 

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This one is easy and I actually think it will be a good venture...Oakland had ample opportunities and they did not step up and I disagree with Oakland booming down the road. They will lose the A's and the Golden State Warriors are more San Francisco than Oakland....Mark Davis simply wants to get paid.
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–Davis loves his bowl cut haircut.
 

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Blame Stan all you want, but if St. Louis had lived up to their commitment, he could not have moved.
 

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Blame Stan all you want, but if St. Louis had lived up to their commitment, he could not have moved.
I don't know....He did what was required with that Top Tier clause with the CVC (right acronym?). It was a poison pill of a requrement, so that the Rams Organization could either work with the CVC, or push the city/state to the wall through arbitration. The result favored Stan, and I think that when he decided to enter arbitration, he fully intended to move at that point, and all else was jumping through hoops. The TWA Dome was one of the last community sponsored stadiums, which is/was a failing model. Stan patiently followed the process and bought that 60 acres in Inglewood, and anything ST Louis did was not regarded by him...I say all of these things as a SoCal boy that hated Georgia Frontierre till the day she died, for moving the Rams and acing out Steve Rosenbloom after his Dad died.

St. Louis made a deal with the devil, and ended up losing yet another team when the impossible Stan stadium, couldn't be delivered in St Louis.
 

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This one is easy and I actually think it will be a good venture...Oakland had ample opportunities and they did not step up and I disagree with Oakland booming down the road. They will lose the A's and the Golden State Warriors are more San Francisco than Oakland....Mark Davis simply wants to get paid.
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This is what comes from Oakland having an X-Mayor and Calif. having a Gov. Like Jerry Brown!! But I don't want to get too political about this! It's going to be Good for the Franchise!!
 

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Not quite the way it happened Phsyco-X. St. Louis threw itself under the bus.

Nah, delayed the inevitable as long as they could until ownership figured itself out sure but there was no stopping Stan and Jerry once they had their sites set.

Blame Stan all you want, but if St. Louis had lived up to their commitment, he could not have moved.

You're right, the Ed Dome was a horrible decision by St. Louis back in 94 there is no denying that. It was an unreasonable contract that no city could have lived up to. But there was no doubt a new stadium would have been built before too long in St. Louis with any kind of good faith negotiating. And the NFL has bylaws preventing what Stan did but those are obviously at the whim of what the owners want to have happen. It was an ugly way to do business but business is what they did.

The point being Stan paid a premium for the coveted LA market and the first rights to it. He bought owners votes for the right to skip most of the NFLs bylaws about relocating via the fee and his stadium plans. And frankly, I'm fine with it at this point. But the fee was, for all intents and purposes, a buy out to the owners for the right to LA. I'm actually surprised they didn't make it an even billion. Spanos is just a "poor" millionaire that doesn't know wtf he's doing at this point. But he's kept getting the short end of the stick it seems like. The owners must really not like him or something. Almost seems like they are poking him in hopes he'll sell.