QB Salaries and Jared Goff

[Merlin]

So lookin at OTC there are already 4 QBs over that $30M per year threshold. And given the difficulty of finding a good QB that is a trend that might not be topping out any time soon. BUT that aside I am of the opinion that the trend is insanity, that it's a selfish money grab by the most important position group and teams at some point down the road are going to look to reverse that trend. They might not succeed of course, due to the stupidity of the losing franchises and their willingness to throw money at anything they think can reverse their fortunes. But I think it's coming just don't know when.

And enter Jared Goff, who just took our Rams to the Super Bowl and who is already one of the best young QBs of his generation. Not only has he put together two strong seasons, but he also has a loaded offense and a loaded coaching staff led by one of the premier gameplanners in the league. But he also (IMO) is a great young man who has been grounded by a strong upbringing and family, the type of guy who in spite of his talent isn't all about himself like some other QB types who ascend to the top of their position.

This makes me think once again that maybe Jared realizes how special this organization is at this place in time, that he doesn't want to go anywhere else as long as the team is willing to pay him "enough." And so I wonder yet again whether it's possible that we have the one QB who is smart enough to say "I don't need to grab every red cent I can because I want the team to have sustained success?" You know, the anti-Bradford type QB. Well, ok, not the one QB since there are others like Tom Brady for example, who after having had his big payday in the past now keeps his cap number at a reasonable level. Or Brees, who also could be making waves like Wilson did but isn't. But anyway I'm sure you get my drift.

And then the second question is "What is a fair contract for a top young QB who might be willing to not push the big paycheck envelope?" I mean the difference between $35M per year (Russell Wilson) and $20M per year (Tom Brady) is profound. Is it fair to even ask Jared's representation if they're willing to do that? To me this whole thing is a fascinating discussion so curious what you guys think.

If I were Kevin Demoff what I'd do is tell him we're gonna get him signed even if it ends up being at the top of the current contract pile. But I'd also offer him a super long, twelve or whatever year contract with a metric @$$ ton of cash up front, that escalates annually and will keep him in that top ten range where the team gets a bit of wiggle room in what is effectively one top FA addition or numerous role type players. What would that be? Well next year's contract would be at $25M.

Am I nuts?

 

[snackdaddy]

I have a feeling Jared wouldn't mind giving a home town discount. But he'd be going against his agent's advice. Another thought. I keep hearing that they shouldn't be in a hurry to extend him. They have him under his rookie deal for a couple more seasons. Right now Jared is not among what is considered elite. But he could be in a year or two. Extending him now would cost less than it would be in two years if he does play his way into the elite class. So there is an argument in favor of getting a deal done early.

 

[oldnotdead]

The man deserves to be paid. I feel that he is the perfect fit for McVay's offense. He is the Rams franchise QB. That said I hope he understands what Brady understands. How much is enough....Brady understands his success and longevity is also dependent upon how much talent is around him and that takes money too. I really like Russell Wilson, but his contract is already affecting the team around him. Being the top paid QB doesn't mean squat if he has a mediocre team around him. Success is the measure of a QB's career, not how much he's been paid.

 

[wolfdogg]

Brady first started renegotiating his contract in 2013, the same year his sports therapy and training company, tb12, came into existence. Tb12 is on stadium property and he receives an undisclosed amount of business and money treating patriot players and using their name--something other companies pay handsomely for.

I have no idea if his arrangement with Kraft makes up for the millions he's not getting as his qb but I know if there's a will to cheat or to get an unfair advantage, then there's a (patriot) way.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Well, I've visited this subject a couple of times recently and believe if anything is to be done about it, it has to be at a League level, not the individual team level. NFL Football is a team game where players should mirror that aspect of sportsmanship. Lopsided and overinflated salaries invite discord at the expense of those underpaid employees who also contribute greatly to team success. While there will never be parity as both positions and players will always have skill differences, there does come a point where a single highly paid player can become a major factor where successful development elsewhere is stymied.
We may be reluctant to use the word, but greed is how it must be defined when the desires of one far outweighs the needs of the team. And the greed isn't necessarily coming from the player himself, but in partnership with his agent who is actively working for that player. 'Show me the Money' became the catchphrase years ago, so this isn't new, although the numbers appear to be on steroids as we move forward. I have no problem with professional football players making loads of money, what I don't like are the distractions of the few who make demands which can imperil their entire team.

As mentioned in previous threads, I would prefer raising the minimum wage for anyone who makes the final 53 roster to $1mil per year, effectively doubling their beginning salary from todays rates, then place a CAP on the highest salary allowed as no more than 25 times that of the lowest salary. Add a small cost of living allowance to the yearly minimum wage and the rise in future contracts at the top will also become automatic. The NFL CAP will ensure that owners aren't adversely effected and those paid between the lowest and highest amounts will become a bit closer. jmo.

 

[Austin]

There's not really much (if anything?) to go on, as far as what Jared's thinking, who's in his ear, who he'd like to emulate, etc.

Based on that, I default to, Jared will probably look to get as much as he can. Probably in the Russell Wilson range, 30-40 million. As fans, it would be nice if players would decide to play for our team for less money. But it is a pretty unrealistic ask, all things considered. That doesn't mean it's impossible, but I'd say it's a longshot.

Guys like Brady don't start giving discounts until they've got their nests well lined, not only with football money but with endorsement deals, secondary businesses, etc.

As for what the team should do... pay Jared the going rate, whatever that rate ends up being. He's a super-young franchise QB with lots of great experience in the bank and a rapport with this team, from management to coaching to players. His career to this point has been defined by steady progress. Unless a great value or guaranteed better player shows up at our door, it doesn't make sense to shave money and lose your star QB. I'm in favor of getting something done sooner rather than later, as it would likely cost less in the long run.

 

[Mackeyser]

If Jared’s smart he signs now, even if it’s below market rate. Otherwise, the Rams could tag him and then go into the lockout owing him nothing.

The problem is that depending on the new CBA, he could be an untaggable free agent.

Gonna be interesting in a cringey way to see how it all plays out.

 

[dang]

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Well, I've visited this subject a couple of times recently and believe if anything is to be done about it, it has to be at a League level, not the individual team level. NFL Football is a team game where players should mirror that aspect of sportsmanship. Lopsided and overinflated salaries invite discord at the expense of those underpaid employees who also contribute greatly to team success. While there will never be parity as both positions and players will always have skill differences, there does come a point where a single highly paid player can become a major factor where successful development elsewhere is stymied.
We may be reluctant to use the word, but greed is how it must be defined when the desires of one far outweighs the needs of the team. And the greed isn't necessarily coming from the player himself, but in partnership with his agent who is actively working for that player. 'Show me the Money' became the catchphrase years ago, so this isn't new, although the numbers appear to be on steroids as we move forward. I have no problem with professional football players making loads of money, what I don't like are the distractions of the few who make demands which can imperil their entire team.

As mentioned in previous threads, I would prefer raising the minimum wage for anyone who makes the final 53 roster to $1mil per year, effectively doubling their beginning salary from todays rates, then place a CAP on the highest salary allowed as no more than 25 times that of the lowest salary. Add a small cost of living allowance to the yearly minimum wage and the rise in future contracts at the top will also become automatic. The NFL CAP will ensure that owners aren't adversely effected and those paid between the lowest and highest amounts will become a bit closer. jmo.

There should be a cap on the salary of any one player to save teams from crippling themselves or being outpriced by some desperate team. Say 20% of the cap max for any one player (which would logically only involve QBs).

 

[wolfdogg]

If anything, the rams have shown to be very generous when signing their guys. Goff is probably being truthful when he says hes not concerned.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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Lucky we don't have to worry or think about it. Whatever they pay him I will be happy he's still with the team. I'll leave the cap ramifications to the experts.

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[Riverumbbq]

The

There should be a cap on the salary of any one player to save teams from crippling themselves or being outpriced by some desperate team. Say 20% of the cap max for any one player (which would logically only involve QBs).

My first post on this subject in another thread used the 20 times minimum wage max cost for highest paid player, but I have since come to believe 25 times minimum would be more workable and acceptable as other new football leagues might be capable of matching or beating a 20 times minimum salary for a QB willing to jump ship. jmo.

 

[bubbaramfan]

You make too much sense Merlin, thats why it won't happen.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Am I nuts?

Or, Perhaps we fans should insist that Jared Goff marry his earlier true love, Taylor Swift. We could invoke the 'Brady standard' that marrying someone who actually makes more money might induce Goff to give us a hometown discount.

 

[Merlin]

I don't know man, Taylor Swift seems like a crazy <bleep!>. But yeah it would be cool to see him marry into some serious money.

Does Stan have a daughter? :eek:

 

[Ram65]

1. When will the Rams resign Jared?

We don't know when the Rams want to resign Jared. They can't do it this year and next year looks hard too. Each year that goes by the market cost goes higher for QBs.

2. How much discount can Jared give the Rams?

If he were to resign today I think $30 Million average would be a good deal. Anything close to that in a year or two would be great. The longer term deal sounds good to save money but, is also risky. I would like $25 Million average but, can't see that happening.

3. What will the Rams be able to do with the savings?

So if Jared saves the Rams $5 Million a year that's a veteran signing like Weddle or Mathews. Instead of the veteran it could mean Rams can keep an extra key player like Kupp or Johnson etc..

In the end it would be good for the Rams but, it's not going to save them from making decisions on losing valuable players. Rams are top heavy with contracts for AD, Cooks and Gurely. Now, if they all took a a 15% decrease in salary that could really help. Rams are going to have to keep drafting and finding UDFA to fill rolls at a low cost.

 

[Flint]

Other than Brady who are the qbs playing for under market value? If there are any I can’t think of them, so there’s nothing to make me believe Goff’s any different.
One injury can end your career so you’re not gonna find many guys willing to take less than is available. As long as there are qb needy teams out there teams are gonna have to pay keep their own. Unless the nfl does something this is the way it is.

 

[FaulkSF]

I don't know man, Taylor Swift seems like a crazy <bleep!>. But yeah it would be cool to see him marry into some serious money.

Does Stan have a daughter? :eek:

It's not that she's totally crazy, but I'm also guessing she's not very smart. Have you read any of her hallmark greeting cards? It's probably why they were pulled from the shelves so quickly.

 

[Corbin]

Meh Kinda a mute point to discuss because we are a good 1-2 years out from finding out anything. We still have the cap going up twice more than likely and the CBA negotiations not to mention a more than likely sprinkle of one franchise tag. To many factors to look at what’s going on and estimating.

Between now and then when it actually happens this will be beat to death on this site and by then we’ll have the mods making a thread to only post it in for any comments or articles regarding Goff’s contract..

 

[wolfdogg]

Meh Kinda a mute point to discuss because we are a good 1-2 years out from finding out anything. We still have the cap going up twice more than likely and the CBA negotiations not to mention a more than likely sprinkle of one franchise tag. To many factors to look at what’s going on and estimating.

Between now and then when it actually happens this will be beat to death on this site and by then we’ll have the mods making a thread to only post it in for any comments or articles regarding Goff’s contract..

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I always love watching that clip. I occasionally say it at work and get a kick when someone catches the reference.

 

[Karate61]

I don't know. I think drafting a qb every 5 years is worth talking about. Just look at the Rams, Eagles, Browns, Cardinals, etc. for arguments in doing so.

For instance, Clemson's QB Trevor Lawrence is on the horizon.

Goff and a bazillion dollars, or Lawrence on the cheap? Definitely worth a discussion!