Notre-Dame Cathedral is Burning

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What the hell? I'm fighting back tears as I watch this 800+ year cathedral burn.

It survived multiple wars, including two world wars, Napoleon, etc...Reportedly, it started accidentally in the process of construction in its attic. Damn...part of it has collapsed. I felt similarly when watching video of ancient Palmyra being bombed/destroyed by the savages....Such an utter loss historically speaking, to the World....
 

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Hopefully it was nothing more than an terrible accident; not an intentional act by an outside individual or group.
 

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Hopefully it was nothing more than an terrible accident; not an intentional act by an outside individual or group.
That is the narrative right now...But the fact is that France has suffered a lot of churches being desecrated this year. Let the facts speak about whatever the truth is about responsibility.
 

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Downright tragic.

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This is sad, also crazy I was just reading this morning about a lot of churches catching fire recently there.
 

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This is sad, also crazy I was just reading this morning about a lot of churches catching fire recently there.


Not just there, here too..........racists have been burning down black churches all across our land at an alarming pace.

It's just despicable someone would do that. And lets hope this is an accident, it's terrible.
 

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That is the narrative right now...But the fact is that France has suffered a lot of churches being desecrated this year. Let the facts speak about whatever the truth is about responsibility.
The government will never admit it if it wasn't accidental.
 

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My wife and I toured it a few years ago. These photos don't catch much of what was there. The amount of art- paintings, sculptures, wood, bone, ivory carvings was much more than in these photos. There were also venerated artifacts and maps and drawings. All of which were priceless. Much of what was there cannot be replaced nor reproduced since the skill set has been lost to history.
 

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Not just there, here too..........racists have been burning down black churches all across our land at an alarming pace.

It's just despicable someone would do that. And lets hope this is an accident, it's terrible.

In the first photo CGI posted you can clearly see the scaffolding used by the construction crews, so i'd say the odds are pretty good this fire was accidentally set, still ... alarmists and conspiracy theorists are going to run wild with it.
 

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This is sad, also crazy I was just reading this morning about a lot of churches catching fire recently there.

And also being vandalized without being burned. Recently two teens were arrested for another fire in France, and this is probably going to get worse. Copycats will come out of the woodwork, they always do.

IMO this is being done by people who have been molested at these, or other churches, when they were children or teens.

I'm from CLE, and it's a very heavily Catholic town, every suburb had 1 or 2 or 3 stone churches, and CLE was one of the worst for child abuse by priests and other members of the clergy many years ago. The local clergy and Cardinal covered it up back then by rotating the offenders into different churches around town and even into different cities. It didn't stop. When the story broke there was massive outrage and some people reacted by spray painting doors and outside walls or toppling statues that were outside of the church. No arsons that I recall but the backlash was evident.

This is a harsher form of retaliation for sure. The recent scandals that have come to the surface show that the Catholic church has been ignoring this ongoing decades old problem, and working to cover it up and that has a lot of people really, really violently upset.

A few months back I had started a thread about "what was going on with the Catholic church" that got deleted. I think this thread will have the same demise. But it's a fair question.............what the hell is going on inside the Catholic church?

Remember the Boy Scouts scandal of the 80's/90's?

And we have had PSU, MSU and OSU and probably others.

Predators like these need to be put to death.
 

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IMO this is being done by people who have been molested at these, or other churches, when they were children or teens.

The recent arrests and the arrests in the recent past don't agree with you sorry.
 

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I felt similarly when watching video of ancient Palmyra being bombed/destroyed by the savages....Such an utter loss historically speaking, to the World

There were plans to rebuild that part of the city. I have no idea if anything was done and considering the state of that place it's probably not been done. Hopefully they can reconstruct parts of it.

It was tragic, I remember reading the article and it had before and after pictures that were simply tragic.
 

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The recent arrests and the arrests in the recent past don't agree with you sorry.

I was speculating based on what I saw back home. And I know of no recent arrests in French church burnings. I don't think any have been solved have they?

If we are going to speculate, and that's all we can do right now, I'd bet on my theory versus what I would read on the internet is more likely.

The "in-general internet" is the least trustworthy source of news ever these days. Anyone can post anything all over the place, especially on social media which is already claiming it was a Jewish plot. Or a Muslim plot. Or the work of the Rothchilds. This is the world we live in these days.

I will figure it was probably very very angry victims for the time being.

But I could log onto any one of a number of websites and say that I set the fire myself. You know how this current internet works.
 

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That is the narrative right now...But the fact is that France has suffered a lot of churches being desecrated this year. Let the facts speak about whatever the truth is about responsibility.

Sounds like it was worker neglect during the restoration or whatever maintenance they were doing.
 

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Sounds like it was worker neglect during the restoration or whatever maintenance they were doing.

Imagine being a French worker this can be traced to. If it got out, might have been better dying fighting the fire.
 

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'Worst has been avoided': Notre Dame Cathedral's structure is saved; French president vows to rebuild
Rebecca Rosman, Brian Hester and John Bacon,USA TODAY 5 hours ago.

Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris Burns in Catastrophic Fire



PARIS – The structure of the Notre Dame Cathedral has been saved from a massive fire that had threatened to gut the 800-year-old beloved landmark, fire officials said late Monday.

“The worst has been avoided, although the battle is not yet totally won,” said French President Emmanuel Macron, who had rushed to the scene. Macron pledged to rebuild the church and said a national fundraising campaign would be launched Tuesday.

The blaze collapsed the cathedral’s spire and spread to one of its rectangular towers. But Paris Fire Chief Jean-Claude Gallet said the church’s main structure had been saved after firefighters prevented the flames from spreading to the northern belfry. Gallet said the emergency response had evolved into a monitoring and clean-up operation.

Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo said in a tweet that historically significant artifacts and sacred items were saved from the fire.

"Thanks to the @PompiersParis, the police and the municipal agents," Hidalgo tweeted, "the Crown of Thorns, the Tunic of Saint Louis and several other major works are now in a safe place."

The damage to the building, however, was extensive. "Two-thirds of the roofing has been ravaged,” and firefighters would work through the night to cool down the building, Gallet said.

It was a dramatic shift from earlier in the day when officials predicted the structure would burn to the ground.

“Everything is burning. Nothing will remain from the frame,” Notre Dame spokesman Andre Finot had told French media. The 12th-century cathedral is one of the world’s most famous tourist attractions, immortalized by Victor Hugo’s 1831 novel “The Hunchback of Notre Dame.”

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Throngs of spectators watched in stunned horror from nearby buildings, bridges and street. Video footage showed fire and smoke spewing from the architectural marvel, home to priceless works of art. The flames appeared to be shooting out of the roof behind the nave of the cathedral.

The fire burned for hours, virtually unabated despite the efforts of hundreds of firefighters. The flames raced on as darkness fell.

"I don’t have the words for this," said Anastasia Collas, 29, an advertising worker who watched and took video of the conflagration from the Hotel de Ville across the river from Notre Dame. "I live nearby. I want to cry. I don’t know if we’re going to lose it entirely, but this is devastating. I’m going to stay here until it ends.”

Salvage efforts had been underway to recover precious artifacts, and city prosecutors announced they were opening an investigation. Arson was ruled out as well as possible terror-related motives, officials said. Officials said the blaze could be linked to renovation work. The cathedral was in the midst of a $6.8 million renovation project.

"A special mission has been launched to try to save all works of art that can be saved," Emmanuel Grégoire, first deputy to the mayor of Paris, said on French TV.

At least one firefighter was seriously injured, officials said.

Jake Winberry, of New York, said he was heartened by strangers hugging and openly comforting each other as the blaze raged nearby, a scene that evoked memories of 9/11. "Tragedy brings people closer together," said Winberry, who is studying abroad in Paris.

Crowds huddled across the river outside the church of Saint Julien Les Pauvres to pray and sing hymns. Paris Archbishop Michel Aupetit invited priests across France to ring church bells. The blaze comes during Holy Week, an important event for the Catholic Church with Easter six days away.



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More: Travelers express shock, horror over Notre Dame fire, share memories of their visits

More: Hunchback, bees and relics: As Notre Dame burns, 5 things to know about the cathedral

Hidalgo, the Parisian mayor, decried the "colossal damage" and said several hundred firefighters were on the scene.

"So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris," President Donald Trump tweeted. "Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!"

French historian Camille Pascal told French TV the fire was destroying “invaluable heritage.”

“It’s been 800 years that the cathedral watches over Paris," Pascal said. “Happy and unfortunate events for centuries have been marked by the bells of Notre Dame.”



The renovation project was part of an effort to save the deteriorating building. Weather and pollution have taken their toll on the stone structure.

“Pollution is the biggest culprit,” Philippe Villeneuve, architect in chief of historic monuments in France, told Time magazine in 2017. “We need to replace the ruined stones. We need to replace the joints with traditional materials. This is going to be extensive.”

Construction of the cathedral took more than 100 years to complete. The result is that, although it is predominantly French Gothic, there are areas that reflect the Renaissance and the Naturalism era of construction.

Still, the cathedral is widely considered one of the finest examples of French Gothic architecture in the world. The name Notre Dame means “Our Lady” in French and is frequently used in the names of Catholic Church buildings around the world.

Rosman and Hester reported from Paris. Bacon reported from McLean, Va. Contributing: Kim Hjelmgaard in London; The Associated Press



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This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: 'Worst has been avoided': Notre Dame Cathedral's structure is saved; French president vows to rebuild


https://www.yahoo.com/news/famed-notre-dame-cathedral-ablaze-173638482.html
 

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Not just there, here too..........racists have been burning down black churches all across our land at an alarming pace.

It's just despicable someone would do that. And lets hope this is an accident, it's terrible.
It was caused by an electrical problem. Which makes sense.
You can see the scaffolding on top of the cathedral. There was some work being done.