Nick Foles Looks Fine, but the Rams’ O-Line is an Issue/Stalter

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Nick Foles Looks Fine, but the Rams’ O-Line is an Issue

Posted by: Anthony Stalter

http://www.101sports.com/2015/09/01/nick-foles-looks-fine-but-the-rams-o-line-is-an-issue/

One look at Nick Foles’ stat line from the Rams’ third preseason game is enough to squash concerns about his ability to run the team’s offense. What didn’t show up on his stat sheet was even more impressive.

Foles went 10 for 11 for 128 yards with a touchdown versus the Colts.

Foles was 10-of-11 for 128 yards with one touchdown and no interceptions in the Rams’ 24-14 loss to the Colts last Saturday night. Unlike his previous preseason performance, Foles showed better pocket presence, more athleticism, and the clock in his head was quicker. He bought himself more time moving inside and outside of the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield, which is a struggle for some quarterbacks.

If a signal-caller’s eyes are on the pressure, that means they’re not on their receivers, which makes it difficult to gain yardage.

Foles’ 44-yard touchdown pass to Chris Givens off play-action and a fake reverse was also on a dime.

In short, it was the best Foles has looked running Frank Cignetti’s offense. Unfortunately, that was the most challenging 10-for-11 for 128 yards that you’ll see from a quarterback.

The Rams’ offensive line is a work in progress, to put it nicely.

The line has been a bit of a mess with less than two weeks to go before the regular season.

Rob Havenstein deserves more time than one preseason to determine whether or not he can start in the NFL. However, Haverstein struggled mightily on Saturday, often failing to protect the edge and getting beat to the inside when he tried to anchor too wide.
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Havenstein gave up two sacks in preseason game three versus Indianapolis.

He gave up two sacks and had issues with Erik Walden, who is a good player but doesn’t exactly resemble Justin Houston (who comes to St. Louis on Thursday, by the way).

Havenstein wasn’t the only St. Louis offensive lineman that struggled.

Greg Robinson continues to allow pressure to come from Foles’ backside and Demetrius Rhaney whiffed on a block when pulling in the run game. Barrett Jones held up well in pass protection, but the interior line generated little push in the run game.

The Rams are using more zone-run blocking under Frank Cignetti this year. A benefit of this scheme is that it allows the O-line to maximize the number of double teams at the point of attack. Once a team executes a double team, one of the offensive linemen can slip off the double team and get to the second level in order to “get a hat” on a linebacker.

But the Rams’ O-line isn’t winning at the point of attack and thus, they’re not getting to the second level. Linebackers are running free and meeting running backs head-on in gaps. Whether it’s Tre Mason, Todd Gurley, or Jim Brown, running backs can only do so much in a phone booth when that phone booth is jammed with defenders.

It’s only preseason, but there’s a domino effect that will take place in the regular season if the Rams can’t run the ball.

If opponents don’t have to stack the box in efforts to stop the run, they can afford to have an extra defender in coverage. And if opposing safeties don’t have to concern themselves with the run, that means they’re not going to bite on play-action. They can stay in their deep zones and help bracket receivers on the outsides.

Offenses need to stay “on schedule,” which means putting themselves in third-and-short when they can be creative with play calls. It’s no coincidence the teams that are good at converting on third downs also win on first and second.

If the Rams can’t run the ball, they’re going to have a difficult time winning on first and second down. Third and long with shoddy pass protection is a recipe to get your quarterback killed, or your offensive coordinator criticized because he’s forced into using his three-step game (which means plenty of short passes and frustrated fans).

Again, there’s a domino effect.

The Rams defense also has plenty to iron out before the regular season starts, but I have faith that this is a top-10 unit under Gregg Williams.

If the Rams can’t run the ball they’re going to have a difficult time sustaining drives and putting points on the board. That puts more pressure on Foles and the passing game and if three-and-outs start to pile up, it won’t matter how good the defense is, because it’ll be on the field too long.

It’s time for this Rams offensive line to grow up in a hurry. Much depends on that unit.

Foles quelled some concerns on Saturday night, but there’s nothing he can do when he’s constantly lying on his back.
 

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Well, this is a shocker. An OL with two rookies, two 2nd yr players essentially and an often injured vet are struggling in the preseason. Shocking! Basically, our position players will have to play with very few errors early on for our Rams to win. And of course the D will have to start early to keep us from a 1-4 start. I have faith both our O (and it's line) and D will play just good enough to win early and be dominant come the second half of the season
 

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We're gonna have some rough series in several games this year, but that's something you totally have to anticipate going into the year with so much inexperience on the line. But it's encouraging that Foles can maneuver the pocket a little bit and buy a little time when he needs to. Personally, I think it would be a great idea for Cignetti to design a bunch of plays where the pocket moves along with Foles on some designed roll-outs. Try to dictate how the pressure is applied until these guys develop some chemistry.
 

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I prefer this over the older, walking wounded, overpaid linemen approach that didn't work.
 

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We're gonna have some rough series in several games this year, but that's something you totally have to anticipate going into the year with so much inexperience on the line. But it's encouraging that Foles can maneuver the pocket a little bit and buy a little time when he needs to. Personally, I think it would be a great idea for Cignetti to design a bunch of plays where the pocket moves along with Foles on some designed roll-outs. Try to dictate how the pressure is applied until these guys develop some chemistry.

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Early struggles are expected with the lack of experience and chemistry on the oline.But once these guys gel as a unit they will be a road grading machine.
 

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We're gonna have some rough series in several games this year, but that's something you totally have to anticipate going into the year with so much inexperience on the line. But it's encouraging that Foles can maneuver the pocket a little bit and buy a little time when he needs to. Personally, I think it would be a great idea for Cignetti to design a bunch of plays where the pocket moves along with Foles on some designed roll-outs. Try to dictate how the pressure is applied until these guys develop some chemistry.

No doubt. It'll occasionally be a struggle if we get stuffed on first down. What I hope is that (obviously) we have less negative plays than recently and as JUMAVA68 says - they start to gel as a unit as the season progresses.

Until then we've got a great punter and a good defense so we'll be ok...(exciting stuff).
 

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Early struggles are expected with the lack of experience and chemistry on the oline.But once these guys gel as a unit they will be a road grading machine.
Agreed. Seems to me, although your OT's performance is critical to your QB's lifespan, your OG's play directed by your C is the core and key to a fantastic OL. I think we finally have two great Gs, two adequate if not potentially great OTs. It all hinges on the C play. I sure hope one of our three steps up to be that glue in the middle.
 

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Lets just keep everything simple for the first part of the season until the o-line 'clicks' and the young guys get up to speed with the pace of the game at this level - I have faith in the line (including GRob!)
 

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I agree that we'll have to expect road bumps and some bad series with the inexperience. But I was still hoping they'd have the starting lineup set by the third preseason game to give them at least a couple weeks to gel and get on the same page. Going into week 1 against a perennial super bowl defense with an extremely young o-line with them only having 3 or 4 real practices at the exact positions they'll be in scares the hell out of me.
 

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First Half OL Lineup Colts Game
LT-Robinson
LG-Brown
OC-Jones(y)
RG-Rhaney:unsure:
RT-Havenstein

Second Half OL Lineup
LT-Williams:(
LG-Washington(n)
OC-Barnes
ORG-Wichmann:D(y)
ORT-Reynolds:)(y)

That's with OG Saffold, ORT/ORG Donnal & then OLG Brown on the sideline due to health concerns during that game. For those who can & have the time....go watch the 2nd half & center in on the ORG #69 who (by the way) does not have a backup gear in his transmission:snicker:. It also could be said that ORT Reynolds had a very good half in place of Havenstein. If Rob Havenstein needs more time stewing before he is ready for the elite outside NFL pass rushers..... then our senior OL vet Garrett Reynolds may have to start. I think that was the plan all along anyway.
 
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We're gonna have some rough series in several games this year, but that's something you totally have to anticipate going into the year with so much inexperience on the line. But it's encouraging that Foles can maneuver the pocket a little bit and buy a little time when he needs to. Personally, I think it would be a great idea for Cignetti to design a bunch of plays where the pocket moves along with Foles on some designed roll-outs. Try to dictate how the pressure is applied until these guys develop some chemistry.


I agree but even a young experienced OL MUST do better on their run assignment's since it is critical to this overall offensive philosophy of running the ball/play action pass, and to keep them out of long down and distance where DL can tee off and the young OL will be more exposed. Haverstein, Brown, Robinson, and Saffold should all be able to run block (still don't know about the center) but if 1st down runs aren't getting 4 yards we can be in for a long learning process.

I actually would like to see more wr bubble screens and swing passes on first down with the hopes of just getting 4-6 yards and take it from there. Less chance for penalties and negative yards and get the ball into the hands of guys like Austin at WR or Mason/Gurley at RB.
 

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BonifayRam having trouble containing his emotions:
First Half OL Lineup Colts Game
LT-Robinson
LG-Brown
OC-Jones(y)
RG-Rhaney:unsure:
RT-Havenstein

Second Half OL Lineup
LT-Williams:(
LG-Washington(n)
OC-Barnes
ORG-Wichmann:D(y)
ORT-Reynolds:)(y)

That's with OG Saffold, ORT/ORG Donnal & then OLG Brown on the sideline due to health concerns during that game. For those who can & have the time....go watch the 2nd half & center in on the ORG #69 who (by the way) does not have a backup gear in his transmission:snicker:. It also could be said that ORT Reynolds had a very good half in place of Havenstein. If Rob Havenstein needs more time stewing before he is ready for the elite outside NFL pass rushers..... then our senior OL vet Garrett Reynolds may have to start. I think that was the plan all along anyway.
I agree with this but I think you could have used a few more emoticons. :p

I love them too. :LOL:
 

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I agree but even a young experienced OL MUST do better on their run assignment's since it is critical to this overall offensive philosophy of running the ball/play action pass, and to keep them out of long down and distance where DL can tee off and the young OL will be more exposed.
Yup yup.

I think that's why we've seen Cignetti motion in and out of his base formations on run plays so much too. So that there's a chance to better expose what the defense is showing/doing. Still gonna look rough on occasion though, and I'm fully prepared for the onslaught of comments about how shitty our line is. Some of the more veteran lines are gonna blitz into different fronts without actually intending to get after the QB. Just to cause confusion. As a result, they're gonna get wrecked once in a while.

I mean, that's exactly what we do to vulnerable O-lines as well, so it's up to Cignetti to devise some simple yet effective blocking schemes and maybe group those blocking schemes to be utilized in specific areas of the formation he wants to attack. And most importantly, get into an attacking mindset right away. Be the violence.
 

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Young line, moving parts, injuries....all hurt to develop the needed

Cohesion
chemistry
continuity
c...I ran outta "C" words....but let these bucks jell...Glad to see Wichmann out there...Hope to see Saffold & Brown on Saturday...G-Rob needs more time too...Biggest relief, the return of all-american Barrett Jones...yeah that guy...not this guy:
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I'm sure of 2 things with regard to our OL, and 2 things only.

First, a healthy Saffold at RG will provide a big boost to effectiveness. Duh...

Second, JB at LG looks like a stud. I have zero concerns about his future there.

After those two things, it gets a little less focused for me. But I do remain optimistI'd about GRob and Hav for the long term. Reynolds at RT looks to be more than sufficient for the short term.

Our C (Jones, I believe) will probably be just adequate. Our long term future C is probably still playing college ball this fall.

Quality OL depth seems much improved this year. Battle, Rhaney, and Wichmann look quite promising.
 

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Early struggles are expected with the lack of experience and chemistry on the oline.But once these guys gel as a unit they will be a road grading machine.
Agreed. I find it headscratching that people are already turning on Havenstein because he had one bad game, ignoring that he was rock solid the first two games.

Did they expect a rookie never to get beat even once?
 

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Agreed. I find it headscratching that people are already turning on Havenstein because he had one bad game, ignoring that he was rock solid the first two games.

Did they expect a rookie never to get beat even once?

Right. Teams have a little tape on him, and I'm sure that helped them to beat him - but I find it hard to believe that the Rams aren't focusing on that to some extent this week. Only if you think he can't improve is it a cause of panic. Now if it keeps happening in the same way, that may become an issue to worry about. But he's a rookie - he's learning.