Next on Wade's List--- LB

[Mackeyser]

I suspect the Rams draft a swing tackle/guard after the first - one they think can be trained up in a year to be an acceptable starting tackle. That provides them with some of the insurance they need for cheap, while still allowing them to draft a guy to finish off the defense, or a WR or TE to finish off the offense. I doubt good value falls to them at 23 for an OT.

As I and many have said, unless a great prospect falls to the Rams at 23, a trade down could easily occur, especially if there is an option to trade down 3-7 spots.

Depending on what happens with OBJ, I wonder if the Rams will rate Landry ahead of guys like Payne or Vea.

I ask because I think that with guys like BJ Hill who I seriously think could end being the best DT/NT in the draft likely there in the third... seems depth is there which downgrades guys at the top if there’s not much separation.

If Landry is gone and we don’t deal for OBJ, I think it makes more sense to trade down and grab value at edge and still Ben able to get someone like Hill in the third.

Gonna be exciting...

 

[London59]

Your posts make no sense.

How do I prove LVE is bigger stronger and faster and in the next sentence you say JL is stronger and make an excuse that’s his one weakness?
Look if you want to argue about what I just typed I don’t know what to tell you.


Facts are LVE is weaker, marginally faster than JLau and comparable as a linebacker.

http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=8267

Because anyone who understands bench pressing knows that long armed people have to lift the weight a further distance! If it was a one rep max then you could argue whether JL was stronger than LVE. Based on their reps 22 to 20, I will take the longer armed guy as every bit as strong or more. Have you ever been a weight lifter? It doesn’t matter now anyway, but my whole point remains, Laurinitis was said to be a good combo of size and athleticism. LVE is bigger, faster, and more athletic so that puts him on a near freak level. I don’t agree that reps in bench press means stronger as long arms mean moving weight a further distance each rep so LVE moved the same weight further with each rep.

 

[Corbin]

So Stanford's Harrison Phillips did 42 reps this year at the combine. What are you trying to say? The only reason he was able to do this is because he has T-Rex arms? stahp.

I'm curious, you say "I don’t agree that reps in bench press means stronger as long arms mean moving weight a further distance" but then you say "LVE is bigger, faster, and more athletic so that puts him on a near freak level." but fail to include 'stronger'. Why? It's because he's not stronger and the numbers prove it.
Also, if someone does more 90 push-ups it's because he has shorter arms than someone who does 45? So the guy that does 45 is stronger because he has longer arms?

Again, based on your argument, LVE is slower than James Laurintiis because he has shorter legs and can cover ground faster and quicker but James Laurinitis is really the faster one because he has longer legs. Stahp.

You say, "Have you ever been a weight lifter?". Never as a professional weight lifter admittingly , but I will say I lifted my fair share of weights in high school and college athletics and the Marine Corps. Maybe I can tweet Arnold as see what he thinks about this?

 

[jrry32]

Your posts make no sense.

How do I prove LVE is bigger stronger and faster and in the next sentence you say JL is stronger and make an excuse that’s his one weakness?
Look if you want to argue about what I just typed I don’t know what to tell you.


Facts are LVE is weaker, marginally faster than JLau and comparable as a linebacker.

http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=8267

You're way off the mark, Corbin. First of all, LVE tested better than Laurinaitis in every drill but the bench press:
http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=56882&draftyear=2009&genpos=ILB
http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1006897&draftyear=2018&genpos=OLB

Don't try to compare Pro Day times to Combine times when both guys have Combine times. Second of all, LVE is a far better athlete on the field than Laurinaitis. Third of all, LVE has far better play-strength on the field than Laurinaitis. Fourth of all, LVE is a far better talent than Laurinaitis. Laurinaitis was a solid player for us, but he was flawed. He had great instincts, he was a reliable tackler, and he was outstanding in zone coverage. However, he lacked sideline-to-sideline range, he could not defeat blocks at the POA, and he struggled in man coverage due to his athletic limitations.

LVE is a freakishly talented athlete who moves like a DB, can run sideline to sideline, and can defeat blocks at the POA. LVE has only one year of starting experience, but he has already flashed the ability to be one of the game's best all-around LBs. The guy is a freak of nature with amazing natural ability on the football field.

And don't try to sell me any bullshit about the bench press being a reliable indicator of football strength. Orlando Brown Jr. only managed 14 BP reps. That guy would put Laurinaitis on his ass if they were going at it one-on-one. Same with Calais Campbell, but he only managed 18 BP reps. The bench press does not measure football strength.

Laurinaitis 2.0? HA! The guy is getting compared to players like Brian Urlacher and Karlos Dansby. Trying to compare him to Laurinaitis is just completely wrong. If there's a Laurinaitis 2.0, it's Josey Jewell.

 

[DR RAM]

You're way off the mark, Corbin. First of all, LVE tested better than Laurinaitis in every drill but the bench press:
http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=56882&draftyear=2009&genpos=ILB
http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1006897&draftyear=2018&genpos=OLB

Don't try to compare Pro Day times to Combine times when both guys have Combine times. Second of all, LVE is a far better athlete on the field than Laurinaitis. Third of all, LVE has far better play-strength on the field than Laurinaitis. Fourth of all, LVE is a far better talent than Laurinaitis. Laurinaitis was a solid player for us, but he was flawed. He had great instincts, he was a reliable tackler, and he was outstanding in zone coverage. However, he lacked sideline-to-sideline range, he could not defeat blocks at the POA, and he struggled in man coverage due to his athletic limitations.

LVE is a freakishly talented athlete who moves like a DB, can run sideline to sideline, and can defeat blocks at the POA. LVE has only one year of starting experience, but he has already flashed the ability to be one of the game's best all-around LBs. The guy is a freak of nature with amazing natural ability on the football field.

And don't try to sell me any bullcrap about the bench press being a reliable indicator of football strength. Orlando Brown Jr. only managed 14 BP reps. That guy would put Laurinaitis on his ass if they were going at it one-on-one. Same with Calais Campbell, but he only managed 18 BP reps. The bench press does not measure football strength.

Laurinaitis 2.0? HA! The guy is getting compared to players like Brian Urlacher and Karlos Dansby. Trying to compare him to Laurinaitis is just completely wrong. If there's a Laurinaitis 2.0, it's Josey Jewell.

Jared Allen did 13 reps.

Hey, @jrry32 , if we still go rush LB, who would be on the list in the 3rd? If not, then the best ILB. I think Littleton will put on some lb's and be a good player for us. He just makes big plays. So, looking for that tweener, or a thumper, who is underrated in the middle rounds.

 

[Corbin]

You're way off the mark, Corbin. First of all, LVE tested better than Laurinaitis in every drill but the bench press:
http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=56882&draftyear=2009&genpos=ILB
http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1006897&draftyear=2018&genpos=OLB

Don't try to compare Pro Day times to Combine times when both guys have Combine times. Second of all, LVE is a far better athlete on the field than Laurinaitis. Third of all, LVE has far better play-strength on the field than Laurinaitis. Fourth of all, LVE is a far better talent than Laurinaitis. Laurinaitis was a solid player for us, but he was flawed. He had great instincts, he was a reliable tackler, and he was outstanding in zone coverage. However, he lacked sideline-to-sideline range, he could not defeat blocks at the POA, and he struggled in man coverage due to his athletic limitations.

LVE is a freakishly talented athlete who moves like a DB, can run sideline to sideline, and can defeat blocks at the POA. LVE has only one year of starting experience, but he has already flashed the ability to be one of the game's best all-around LBs. The guy is a freak of nature with amazing natural ability on the football field.

And don't try to sell me any bullcrap about the bench press being a reliable indicator of football strength. Orlando Brown Jr. only managed 14 BP reps. That guy would put Laurinaitis on his ass if they were going at it one-on-one. Same with Calais Campbell, but he only managed 18 BP reps. The bench press does not measure football strength.

Laurinaitis 2.0? HA! The guy is getting compared to players like Brian Urlacher and Karlos Dansby. Trying to compare him to Laurinaitis is just completely wrong. If there's a Laurinaitis 2.0, it's Josey Jewell.

Obejction Your Honor! Conjecture!
"Second of all, LVE is a far better athlete on the field than Laurinaitis. Third of all, LVE has far better play-strength on the field than Laurinaitis. Fourth of all, LVE is a far better talent than Laurinaitis. Laurinaitis 2.0? HA! The guy is getting compared to players like Brian Urlacher and Karlos Dansby. Trying to compare him to Laurinaitis is just completely wrong. And don't try to sell me any bullcrap about the bench press being a reliable indicator of football strength. Orlando Brown Jr. only managed 14 BP reps. That guy would put Laurinaitis on his ass if they were going at it one-on-one. Same with Calais Campbell, but he only managed 18 BP reps. The bench press does not measure football strength."

Sustained.

Everything in that is opinion not fact. In no way am I dismissing LVE as trash, horrible, or a bust but his measurable's are very similar to JLau's and that is fact. You say LVE has better 'game strength' than Laurinitis? Then tell me my friend why do they even measure bench press in the combine? Or 40 time? Or 20 yd. shuttle? Given any one measurement doesn't purely tell the story on any given player however your going to tell me that bench isn't as relate table to strength as this so called 'game day strength' is? Is there such a thing as 'game day shuttle speed'? I don't hear that argument at all.

Proof? Well let me show you some tape and draft analysis from NFl.com, and I found these two after seeing your post.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/leighton-vander esch?id=32462018-0002-5602-32a6-0b4e5b5e883e
Excerpts

• Play strength has room for improvement
• Has some struggles in taking on blocks and will get washed away by down blocks

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELTFWbNjl38


You say "he could not defeat blocks at the POA" about JLau which I can't argue with but same with LVE which is an indicator that he needs to develop his overall strength and technique. He also plays in the Mountain West Conference so I see a lot of the talent in the MAC and isn't not the greatest in college football. However, he had a good season and he only has control of what environment he's in. In the pros he's going to have to find a way not to get washed away with the blocking and use his hand/arm techniques to not let O-Linemen control him at the point of contact/attack.

Granted I will say he only has one year of experience, will grow into his frame in the NFL, (speed, strength, football knowledge) but as far as " The guy is a freak of nature".

And overall it's a mute point now since we don't have a 23rd overall pick anymore...so

 

[Mackeyser]

Jared Allen did 13 reps.

Hey, @jrry32 , if we still go rush LB, who would be on the list in the 3rd? If not, then the best ILB. I think Littleton will put on some lb's and be a good player for us. He just makes big plays. So, looking for that tweener, or a thumper, who is underrated in the middle rounds.

I'm not @jrry32 but I'll chime in.

I think the best fit is Jeff Holland, DE/OLB Auburn. His draft stock is all over the place.

If he's as low as some think (which I think is crazy, but w/e), then I think we could get an OT in the 3rd and then take Holland in the early 4th.

Where someone is drafted doesn't mean squat as we saw with Kupp last year.

Honestly, it may be a little love at first sight, but Holland's hands and closing speed and motor are beyond impressive.

 

[jrry32]

Obejction Your Honor! Conjecture!
"Second of all, LVE is a far better athlete on the field than Laurinaitis. Third of all, LVE has far better play-strength on the field than Laurinaitis. Fourth of all, LVE is a far better talent than Laurinaitis. Laurinaitis 2.0? HA! The guy is getting compared to players like Brian Urlacher and Karlos Dansby. Trying to compare him to Laurinaitis is just completely wrong. And don't try to sell me any bullcrap about the bench press being a reliable indicator of football strength. Orlando Brown Jr. only managed 14 BP reps. That guy would put Laurinaitis on his ass if they were going at it one-on-one. Same with Calais Campbell, but he only managed 18 BP reps. The bench press does not measure football strength."

Sustained.

Everything in that is opinion not fact. In no way am I dismissing LVE as trash, horrible, or a bust but his measurable's are very similar to JLau's and that is fact. You say LVE has better 'game strength' than Laurinitis? Then tell me my friend why do they even measure bench press in the combine? Or 40 time? Or 20 yd. shuttle? Given any one measurement doesn't purely tell the story on any given player however your going to tell me that bench isn't as relate table to strength as this so called 'game day strength' is? Is there such a thing as 'game day shuttle speed'? I don't hear that argument at all.

Proof? Well let me show you some tape and draft analysis from NFl.com, and I found these two after seeing your post.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/leighton-vander esch?id=32462018-0002-5602-32a6-0b4e5b5e883e
Excerpts

• Play strength has room for improvement
• Has some struggles in taking on blocks and will get washed away by down blocks

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELTFWbNjl38


You say "he could not defeat blocks at the POA" about JLau which I can't argue with but same with LVE which is an indicator that he needs to develop his overall strength and technique. He also plays in the Mountain West Conference so I see a lot of the talent in the MAC and isn't not the greatest in college football. However, he had a good season and he only has control of what environment he's in. In the pros he's going to have to find a way not to get washed away with the blocking and use his hand/arm techniques to not let O-Linemen control him at the point of contact/attack.

Granted I will say he only has one year of experience, will grow into his frame in the NFL, (speed, strength, football knowledge) but as far as " The guy is a freak of nature".

And overall it's a mute point now since we don't have a 23rd overall pick anymore...so

I don't need to watch a YouTube "film session" on LVE. I've watched him myself. None of what I said was conjecture. It's all based on his film. I've done multiple write-ups on LVE in the Draft forum. You're way off the mark on him. And the NFL.com profile you cite doesn't even support your opinion of the guy. It compares him to Karlos Dansby.

And the bench doesn't measure football strength. It is intended to measure how dedicated a guy is in the weight room. Yes, there is such thing as football speed and football agility. That's why nobody in their right mind assumes that Combine results are infallible.

Also, the claim that he can't defeat blocks is patently false. I will happily provide evidence when I get off work.

 

[DR RAM]

I'm not @jrry32 but I'll chime in.

I think the best fit is Jeff Holland, DE/OLB Auburn. His draft stock is all over the place.

If he's as low as some think (which I think is crazy, but w/e), then I think we could get an OT in the 3rd and then take Holland in the early 4th.

Where someone is drafted doesn't mean squat as we saw with Kupp last year.

Honestly, it may be a little love at first sight, but Holland's hands and closing speed and motor are beyond impressive.

Holland seems to have become a real forum favorite. I like him, but yeah, he's tough to peg, draft wise.

 

[jrry32]

I don't need to watch a YouTube "film session" on LVE. I've watched him myself. None of what I said was conjecture. It's all based on his film. I've done multiple write-ups on LVE in the Draft forum. You're way off the mark on him. And the NFL.com profile you cite doesn't even support your opinion of the guy. It compares him to Karlos Dansby.

And the bench doesn't measure football strength. It is intended to measure how dedicated a guy is in the weight room. Yes, there is such thing as football speed and football agility. That's why nobody in their right mind assumes that Combine results are infallible.

Also, the claim that he can't defeat blocks is patently false. I will happily provide evidence when I get off work.

As I promised, @Corbin

His technique isn't there yet, but he's beating OLs purely with his physical gifts. This kid is so much more than Laurinaitis was. Laurinaitis was an overachiever. If this kid overachieves, he'll end up in the HOF.

 

[SeminoleRam]

Now that the Rams have their backfield and DL pretty much set, They have holes to fill at LB. What will they do to fill them?

Lets get started on another long winded thread![/QUOTE


Now, That the Rams have traded their 1st Round Pick (And, I am NOT complaining since I really do like the trade for Brandin Cooks!) I will have to give up my hope for Vander Esch! Now, I am hoping that Josey Jewell or Micah Kiser (I seriously doubt Kiser will still be around) last until the Rams 3rd Round Pick! I would be thrilled if the Rams could get either one of these LB's in the 3rd Round!

 

[Corbin]

As I promised, @Corbin

His technique isn't there yet, but he's beating OLs purely with his physical gifts. This kid is so much more than Laurinaitis was. Laurinaitis was an overachiever. If this kid overachieves, he'll end up in the HOF.

Message you tomorrow bro! To drunk to type! lol GO RAMS!