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Let Goff Sit (Just Look at Bortles), Still Plenty to Worry About for Packers

Plus, a solution to the London games and Thursday Night Football debacles and more heading into Week 8

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An apology to loyal reader(s): I was on vacation Friday and Saturday this week, so this Gameday 10 Things is slightly abbreviated (it was mostly written in the car while two kids shrieked with joy about a trip to Sesame Place, and two adults shrieked in pain about driving on the Jersey Turnpike during Friday rush hour).

1. I understand why Rams fans want Jared Goff under center when they return from their bye week to host the Panthers next week. You’re not only tired of watching Case Keenum, but you’re tired of watching Case Keenum and then hearing from analysts how two interceptions weren’t Keenum’s fault but also ignore the four other throws that absolutely should have been intercepted but instead fell incomplete.

We’ll see if there’s fire with the smoke of Steve Wyche's report that the Rams are getting Goff ready. But it’s not a surprise if Goff isn’t ready yet. While the NFL has borrowed elements of the Air Raid offense, it isn’t an NFL offense. Goff’s time at Cal, unlike Carson Wentz’s time at North Dakota State, didn’t prepare him to run an NFL offense. He needed to be programmed, and that’s fine. I’ve run this list out about 14 times (and I’ve only written about 30 of these columns), but these are quarterbacks who also sat for a lengthy amount of time to begin their NFL careers: Tony Romo (three-plus years), Aaron Rodgers (three years), Philip Rivers (two years), Tom Brady (one-plus year), Drew Brees (one year), Carson Palmer (one year), Eli Manning (half a year).

So all the Goff questions we get around here: Is Jared Goff a bust?, Is it fair to say the Rams should have taken Carson Wentz since Jared Goff can’t even beat out Case Keenum? On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being the worst bust of all time and 10 being merely the worst bust of the last decade, how would you rate Jared Goff? Jared Goff is clearly not good at football. Sorry, I forgot to ask a question. Just because he’s not playing doesn’t mean he won’t be good. There’s no such thing as “too late” for a developing quarterback to ascend to the starting role (maybe for the head coach’s tenure, but not for the QB’s development). And you can do real damage by sending a guy out there too early. For instance…

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2. Bad habits of rookie quarterbacks can be corrected on the practice field. It becomes much more difficult in the games. Sometimes it’s that the QB doesn’t want to be embarrassed in front of millions of fans, so he falls back on the things he’s comfortable doing rather than the things he should be doing. A lot of times it’s simply a matter of, once the proverbial bullets start flying, adrenaline flows and instinct and muscle memory take over. So if that young quarterback hasn’t been fully reprogrammed before he gets on the field, he regresses.

Which brings us to Blake Bortles. You might have noticed something about Bortles. He wasn’t a very good passer as a rookie. He was better last year, his second season. And now in Year 3, he has regressed to an almost unbelievable degree. If you made a line chart of his game-by-game performance through two-and-a-half seasons, it would somehow spell the words “GETTING CRAPPIER.” His mechanics look like a piece of found footage in a horror movie about a small town that is haunted by the murderous ghost of a deceased quarterbacks coach. He saw the flawed mechanics on film so many times that he went mad and… ate his own brain, or something. (Whatever, the bones are there. Look for it next Halloween.)

Now I’m just piling on. But honestly, Bortles’ throwing motion looks like Pete Townshend playing “Pinball Wizard.” And it would be one thing if Bortles were simply a limited athlete. He’s not. His mechanics should have been correctable. The only thing I could think of is that he can’t get comfortable with the mental aspects of the game.

A couple years ago I asked a veteran who had played with Tim Tebow something along the lines of “Hey, y’know how Tebow can’t throw it right? Like, what’s up with that?” The answer was basically: Tebow can absolutely throw accurately and with proper mechanics during drills. When he gets in the game, he has no idea what he’s looking at with all the moving parts. His mechanics fall apart because it’s not muscle memory, and he has no confidence in whether or not the area he’s throwing to will be open. (It’s not a “smart or dumb” question, it’s just whether or not the quarterback has the brain type to be able to process defenses.)

Anyway, back to Bortles. The Jags were talking up a redshirt year the moment they drafted him in 2014. Then they changed course and threw him into the fire. Maybe Bortles would have struggled regardless. Maybe the fact that he had to be rebuilt as far as throwing mechanics while simultaneously learning to read NFL defenses were too much to handle, not unlike Tebow. Maybe Bortles can still be salvaged. But looking back, and looking at what he is now, I can’t help but think that a redshirt year (or even two) might have done him a world of good.
 

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Goff isn't Bortles. Bortles had glaring mechanical flaws coming out of college. He shouldn't have played as a rookie. I said that at the time. Goff doesn't have mechanical flaws.
 

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Goff isn't Bortles. Bortles had glaring mechanical flaws coming out of college. He shouldn't have played as a rookie. I said that at the time. Goff doesn't have mechanical flaws.
Absolutely right! Goff's flaws are mental...and they are flaws that affect him because he was in a spread offense in college.

He has a great arm and a quick release. Folks need to e patient enough to let his mental game catch up to his physical talents.
 

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Wentz has a long throwing motion as well.

Goff is a natural thrower and he has great feet. He literally doesn't have to do anything physically expect put some weight on.
 

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I'm not trying to be a homer, but Goff has some of the best mechanics literally ever. His feet work is astounding along with a throwing motion that makes butter look rough. Two completely different players. Bortles wind up is gross looking.
 

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yeah....isn't that article special
 

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Goff excelled despite having a horrible Offensive line in college. That is one thing that I loved about him. We talk about a QB making everyone better or willing a team to a win. I really think Goff is that type of talent. I don't think playing him would hurt his mechanics, because he doesn't have the bad muscle memory to regress to. If he needs to learn the mental side of things then play him. There is no better way to learn than on the job experience.
 

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Bortles is a Local for me so I hear a lot about him from our media. Just yesterday, my afternoon sports talk radio show shared something that was kinda interesting....

Bortles informed the team yesterday that he has hired his own personal QB coach to come in and work with him at ALL times (so during Jag practices and games) on his mechanics. Blake has made it known that he feels the current coaching staff (and apparently they have a good size staff just for the QB and offense) has not done enough for his development.
 

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Bortles is a Local for me so I hear a lot about him from our media. Just yesterday, my afternoon sports talk radio show shared something that was kinda interesting....

Bortles informed the team yesterday that he has hired his own personal QB coach to come in and work with him at ALL times (so during Jag practices and games) on his mechanics. Blake has made it known that he feels the current coaching staff (and apparently they have a good size staff just for the QB and offense) has not done enough for his development.

That is interesting
 

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I think the overall point of this article is good, but it draws a false equivalence - as others have mentioned. There's nothing wrong with Goff's mechanics. Taking snaps from center, reading defenses, calling protections, and calling audibles were some things that needed to be worked on, and that's well documented. But the author's point about Goff being essentially unprepared to run an NFL offense, due to the very nature of his college scheme, is valid. That's the only thing that was holding him back. I say "was", because now all signs point to him being ready to do at least the minimum amount needed to run *this* offense. And he'll certainly make better throws than Keenum in the short-to-intermediate zones as well as being able to better work the sidelines. So now we wait. Now we wait until the offensive staff, collectively, decides that he's done enough that they're not exposing him to the potential of failure. And really -- as much as I admire Case Keenum, his leadership abilities, his heart, and his never-quit soul, it's time for him to become the teacher and do his part to help the student become the master.
 

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Blake has made it known that he feels the current coaching staff (and apparently they have a good size staff just for the QB and offense) has not done enough for his development.

Trade rumors coming up...........
 

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to be honest I'm apathetic now...the mantra has been Goff starts when he is ready...there have been reports that he is ready ..he is the backup "one injury away from starting" so the coaching staff must be happy with where Goff is in his development and progression ..so why isnt he starting ? even if he matched Keenums offensive output then at least he will be gaining experience ..love case and his sparky attitude but he isnt winning games certainly isnt doing enough to get Goff out the job so whats the dealio ?

Either Fisher LOVES him some keenum and if this is the case (pun intended) then Goff will not start this year barring injury...
or ...

Goff isnt ready (and if he isnt ready to step in the event of an injury) then why is he the freaking number two.. get it out there that Goff will sit the rest of the year leaning soaking up stuff he wont see the field this year and there would be no issue in my mind ...Fisher has played this wrong from the start in my mind
 

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Playing on perennial horrible teams is bad for a QB's growth too.
Jacksonville is typically way under the cap.
And their HC choices are bizarre
 

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to be honest I'm apathetic now...the mantra has been Goff starts when he is ready...there have been reports that he is ready ..he is the backup "one injury away from starting" so the coaching staff must be happy with where Goff is in his development and progression ..so why isnt he starting ? even if he matched Keenums offensive output then at least he will be gaining experience ..love case and his sparky attitude but he isnt winning games certainly isnt doing enough to get Goff out the job so whats the dealio ?

Either Fisher LOVES him some keenum and if this is the case (pun intended) then Goff will not start this year barring injury...
or ...

Goff isnt ready (and if he isnt ready to step in the event of an injury) then why is he the freaking number two.. get it out there that Goff will sit the rest of the year leaning soaking up stuff he wont see the field this year and there would be no issue in my mind ...Fisher has played this wrong from the start in my mind
I don't know about you, but I was sure guessing that when they first promoted Goff to 2 over Mannion he wasn't really ready to back up Keenum yet, but I think that's the point. Make him your number two and get him ready.

Even having him sit on the sidelines getting the jitters oft anon as Keenum is chased and rattle by defensive linemen. It puts you in the game mentally when you're backing someone up. Then getting the lion's share of reps in practice. Was that fair to Mannion? I don't know, but if Mannion were looking like the potential starter they wanted to see, I doubt that they would have drafted Goff.

So while it's not as aggressive as some wished for, to them it was a roll of the dice. Just like moving Ogletree to MLB.
 

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I don't know about you, but I was sure guessing that when they first promoted Goff to 2 over Mannion he wasn't really ready to back up Keenum yet, but I think that's the point. Make him your number two and get him ready.

Even having him sit on the sidelines getting the jitters oft anon as Keenum is chased and rattle by defensive linemen. It puts you in the game mentally when you're backing someone up. Then getting the lion's share of reps in practice. Was that fair to Mannion? I don't know, but if Mannion were looking like the potential starter they wanted to see, I doubt that they would have drafted Goff.

So while it's not as aggressive as some wished for, to them it was a roll of the dice. Just like moving Ogletree to MLB.
im trying to work out if we agree or not ;)

but i feel like its time to see what Goff has ,.. let him take his lumps and see what happens

i mean i get fisher is pretty much in a position where a number of things happen and there's more bad than good

Sits Keenum and Goff lights it up and the rams go on to win the division and into the playoffs ? good

sits keenum.. goff lights up but we miss the playoffs ..Fisher will get asked why didn't he start Goff sooner ... not so good not but that bad if fisher plays the looks good for the future card

then theres a host of scenarios where its all bad or worse for fisher..from Goff looking totally abysmal and everyone will question the pick or Fishers inability to coach Goff up ...