Memento's Stafford/Havenstein Retirement and Kupp Trade Doomsday Mock Offseason.

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I know, I know, making a mock so soon after this one. But I wanted to see what I could do with it, and I'm feeling extremely down about real world issues today, so I figured I'd have fun with a mock that portrays worst case scenario and tries to build off it.

Retired:

Matthew Stafford
Rob Havenstein

(Not sure if it's going to happen, but this is predicting doomsday. Of course, this makes Ragnarok look like a beautiful day, but that's the point of the mock. We didn't expect AD to retire suddenly, so nothing can surprise me any more.)

Cut:

Colby Parkinson
Darious Williams
Derion Kendrick

(Last two from my previous mock (and @jrry32 's), but Kendrick apparently saves about 3.3 million on the cap, and he doesn't have the ability to justify it.)

Re-sign:

Alaric Jackson - four years, 42 million.

Jimmy Garappolo - one year, 4 million

Dylan McMahon - ERFA

(Obvious re-signings, especially A-Jax; we cannot afford to lose both tackles. Garappolo is to aid the new quarterback coming in. Johnson is because we're already losing Kupp, Robinson, and Atwell. To add to the bad news, Hoecht goes to Atlanta to re-up with Raheem. I also think that Johnson will rightfully search for other opportunities; he's earned a chance to be a #3 on a lesser team. Everyone else is from my other mock. I'm going to splurge in free agency to make up for it.)

Free Agent Signings:

Nick Bolton - five years, 50 million.

(I'm going to keep at it until it's done. It just makes so much sense, and I don't think KC can afford him.)

Joseph Ossai - three years, 24 million.

(Now that Cinci's hiring a new defensive coordinator, Ossai might not fit in the system (and I always thought he'd be better as a stand-up edge). He's been a backup edge rusher behind Hendrickson and Hubbard, but I feel that he could explode somewhere, and he's only twenty-five. Might as well be here, right? And in addition, this leaves us options with Byron Young who, while he's been fantastic, will be almost thirty at his second contract and will likely want a large extension. Ossai, if he's as good as I think he can be, could easily help.)

Paulson Adebo - two years, 16 million (second year can void).

(Might be a bit of a risk bringing someone with a broken femur. But Adebo was one of the more productive corners in football before that injury and managed three picks in seven games on the year. A one-year contract to rehabilitate his value...and we'll see where it goes from there.)

Leki Fotu - three years, 6 million (final year can void).

(Going to go with this option. I liked him in his draft, and when he started with Arizona, he was a dependable run-stuffer with a solid bullrush. Cheap help for a while if he pans out.)

Terrace Marshall Jr. - one year, 1 million.

(Now, a shot in the dark at receiver. Marshall is a talented receiver, but he's never been with a talented quarterback (yes, I feel that Bryce Young is a massive bust). He was okay in his second year with 490 yards off of 28 receptions. Then his snaps got cut, and he never recovered. He may very well be a bust, but he'll only be twenty-five all of next season, and he was a former second-round pick. Let's see what he can bring.)

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Trade:

Cooper Kupp to the New England Cheatriots for #77 overall.

(Yes, I truly, truly believe that Kupp will fetch more than people think he will, given that teams were interested at the deadline. He's still a very good receiver: just overpaid for what he does. But New England doesn't have to worry about the cap for a while, and when they do, Kupp will likely retire. Before that, he mentors the younger receivers they have. For a third-round pick? Easy choice.)

Jonah Jackson to the New York Giants for #221 overall

(Giants were said to be interested in J-Jax, and we don't need an expensive backup guard. We cut bait for a seventh.)

Michael Mayer to the Los Angeles Rams for #100 overall.
(Yep, still going with the Mayer trade to patch up our tight end group. He lost his job to Brock Bowers, but he's still an uber-talented and versatile tight end whom I feel could easily learn from Higbee.)

#192 overall to the Cleveland Browns for #216 overall, #217 overall, and #257 overall.

(The Browns send two sixths and a seventh - Mr. Irrelevant, because why not? - to us to trade up for Shilo Sanders (who falls) after taking Shedeur to make their new quarterback of the future happy. In return, we get more shots in the dark.)

Draft:

#26 overall - Jaxson Dart, QB, Ole Miss.

(Yeah, for whatever reason, Dart's rated outside of the first round. I don't think it'll stay that way for long. He has an accurate rifle of an arm, is a solid processor, and can escape with mobility and IQ. His only issues I see are the Kiffin offense he's running (and how long it'll take for him to acclimate to ours) and his size. He's not the biggest guy, and you don't want to send him on sneaks like Jackson, Allen, and Daniels. But if you need a quarterback who can be a gunslinger, evade pressure, and be smart with the football, I don't see anyone better in this class. No, not even Sanders or Ward.)

#77 overall - Matthew Golden, WR, Texas.

(Count me on the Golden train if we're talking second/third round receivers (as I think Jalen Royals would have to be taken with a first-round pick). He's fast, has solid hands, is a solid route runner, and exploded in Texas's offense.

#85 overall - Hollin Pierce, OT, Rutgers.

(I know what you're going to say. Is Pierce going to be a work in progress? Absolutely. Does he have the feet to move to left tackle? Absolutely not. But you can't teach 6'7", 344 lbs. with 36-inch arms. What's more, he knows how to use his length, hands, and size to utterly shut down a pass rush or bully the poor defenders in the running game. When he gets his hands on the defender, it's all over. No contest. No coming back. That and his length will allow him to thrive on the edge, against all but speed rushers. Yes, speed will be a problem, but Havenstein had problems with speed, and he did all right for himself.)

#126 overall - LeQuint Allen Jr., RB, Syracuse.

(Jerry, I know you had Allen as a third-round pick, but I'm not seeing anything on scouting sites that rate him that highly. But I, too, love his receiving and home-run ability out of the backfield, and I think he could easily rise higher than this. Reminds me of a better receiving Sean Tucker, whom I really loved at the same school.)

#155 overall - Jabbar Muhammad, CB, Oregon.

(I don't care that he's short and slight (5'10", 185 lbs.). Muhammad has done nothing but make great play after great play after great play. He's sticky in coverage (twelve passes defensed this year), and he reminds me of Asante Samuel Jr. lite.)

#203 overall - Miles Frazier, OG, Louisiana State.

(Frazier is another bulldozing Louisiana State guard like Dellinger. Honestly, I'd be fine with either of them at this point, but I decided to choose Frazier to mix things up somewhat.)

#204 overall - Simeon Barrow Jr., DT, Miami (Ohio).

(Barrow's become one of my favorite late-round linemen - both D and O. We lack a fierce interior pass rusher outside of Fiske (we lost the moment he went down), and I think Barrow provides that, while simultaneously bringing solid run-stuffing skills.)

#216 overall - Chase Lundt, OT, UConn.

(Lundt is another big tackle (6'8", 305 lbs.) who has solid feet, solid knowledge of leverage, solid technique. Not the best tackle, but at this spot, you're looking for a backup.)

#217 overall - Zakhari Franklin, WR, Illinois.

(Had to include Franklin again. He's sneaky fast, has glue hands, but above all, he's just so smooth as a route runner; he knows how to get himself open. There's a reason he's a top ten receptions leader in FBS history.)

#221 overall - Brant Kuithe, TE, Utah.

(Kuithe is a damned good receiving tight end. His problem? Injuries. He's had two leg injuries, including an ACL tear, which won't help his cause. But sevenths are shots in the dark anyway, and he was a Mackey contender every healthy year.)

#257 overall - Moose Muhammad III, WR, Texas A&M.

(MM3, son of Muhsin Muhammad. He's not going to be as good as his dad, but there's no reason he should fall this far. He's not a fast kid, but he's got some of the best hands I've seen in college. He will make plays even with coverage draped over him; his hands are that good. Not the fastest receiver, but )

Roster:

QB -Jimmy Garappolo, Jaxson Dart.

(I figure it wouldn't be fair for a rookie QB to process a McVay offense, so Garoppolo, as much as I hate it, starts in this scenario. But I don't think Dart will sit very long; he's a smart guy who should find his path to QB1 easily.)

RB - Kyren Williams, Blake Corum, Cody Schrader (KR), LeQuint Allen Jr.

(Yes, I'm keeping K-Will in this scenario, but he'll be gone next year. Corum and Allen should get carries, while Schrader can continue to dominate on kickoffs.)

WR - Puka Nacua, Matthew Golden, Jordan Whittington, Xavier Smith (PR), Zakhari Franklin, Moose Muhammad III.

(I feel we have a hungry and potentially solid young group of receivers who all can do different things. I think both Franklin and MM3 could outperform their draft slot.)

TE - Tyler Higbee, Michael Mayer, Davis Allen, Brant Kuithe.

(Can't believe I forgot Davis Allen on my prior mock. Sorry, Davis! But anyway, Higbee is here for one more year, maybe even is a June 1st cut. Mayer's going to step in and be solid, but don't underestimate Kuithe; he could win a spot as a big slot as another receiver.)

OL - Alaric Jackson, Steve Avila, Beaux Limmer, Kevin Dotson, Hollin Pierce, Warren McClendon, Justin Dedich, K.T. Leveston, Dylan McMahon, Miles Frazier, Chase Lundt.

(Young offensive line, but big, talented, and potentially bullies, even to fronts like the Eagles. I like it. McClendon is dealt for a future pick, and I could see a vet or two added, but this is a solid O-line.)

DL - Kobie Turner, Braden Fiske, Leki Fotu, Tyler Davis, Desjuan Johnson, Simeon Barrow Jr.

(Meet the old group, same as the last group. Similar things here.)

LB - Jared Verse, Byron Young, Nick Bolton, Omar Speights, Joseph Ossai, Brennan Jackson, Nick Hampton, Jake Hummel.

(Linebackers are pretty much the same as last time; just add in Ossai instead of Hoecht. Also, Hummel and Hampton's positions on the roster are hanging by a thread. I would hope they're only for special teams, but we'll see.)

DB - Paulson Adebo, Emmanuel Forbes, Quentin Lake, Kamren Kinchens, Kam Curl, Cobie Durant, Josh Wallace, Charles Woods, Jabbar Muhammad, Jaylen McCollough.

(In this scenario, Adebo and Forbes win the starting jobs - although I could see Durant in either spot.

ST - Joshua Karty, Ethan Evans, Alex Ward.

(Same.)

Let me know what you think, guys.
 

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Not a fan of this one.

Quick notes.

Don't like the Joseph Ossai signing. Would rather a cheaper veteran or draft choice as backup.

If the Rams can get a 3rd rounder for Cooper Kupp before the season at his contract when DeAndre Hopkins could only garner a conditional 5th rounder I'd be shocked.

From what I've read Shilo Sanders hasn't looked to good at East West Shrine practices.

Like Mayer, but leery of trading for players without knowing why he had to sit out last season. Besides, the TE class is too deep to trade for a player already 2 years in to his contract, IMO.

I'm on the Matthew Golden is a first round selection bandwagon.
 

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No offense meant, but it's always no from you.
Sorry I get these are basically fan fiction but there has to be some grounding in reality. The trades and tear it all down makes no sense. And not sure Dart is the guy to re build around.
 

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Things have been lukewarm for Dart during the Shrine practice week. My hope he improves. I think he will be a steal.
 

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Very interesting scenario. Too much of a youth movement for me lol. But if Stafford does retire, we probably do need to embrace youth. I don't like Dart in Round 1, personally. Big fan of a number of other picks. Moose Muhammad is interesting. He looked so promising early in his career, but he has seemingly been in the doghouse for years. Didn't do much this year. I don't love the idea of relying on Hollin Pierce to start as a rookie. He needs time and development.
 

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I guess a doomsday scenario is something to be prepared for, so I’ll use the premise of both Havenstein and Stafford retire.

Cuts:
I’m not cutting Kendrick before I see we have 4 CBs who are better. I said the same around this time last year. I knew the secondary was gonna be the weak spot and I wasn’t sold on the twhite signing. I also had concerns that DW would not be best suited for the #1 CB job. The Rams need to be sure they have enough dependable and better players back there before they trade away Kendrick. Your trades/FA moves don’t convince me Kendrick should be dealt before the draft.

Re-signees:
I don’t think you’re paying enough to keep AJ, especially if you are willing to pay bolton $10mil/per. AJ will get closer to $15mil/per at least. I certainly agree with re-signing him, though.

I would also like to bring back Hoecht and BB3. They have shown themselves to be pros who continued to improve. They each made their share of plays this last season.

If you want to bring back jimmy g-string for another year, that’s your choice and not one I would make. I do, however, agree the Rams would need to bring in a veteran bridge QB. Admittedly, I haven’t given much thought to that just yet, but am seeing the Rams looking towards their future at QB.

Trades:
I can see Kupp and the Rams moving in different directions this season, as much as I don’t want it to happen. Getting a 3rd, IMO, is some lofty thinking. If I’m an opposing GM, I don’t give up anything earlier than a 4th, maybe throw in a 6th as a kicker, but nothing higher than a 4th. I’m not criticizing the trade, you understand, just not seeing the compensation you seek.

I think it’s safe to say we were all disappointed in the return the Rams got outta JJ, but I would not expect the Rams to give up on him so easily if they plan on losing Noteboom. JJ would essentially take Noteboom’s place as a good swing OL who is oft injured and way overpaid. Like Noteboom, JJ has flashed before—just not as a Ram. Between Dedich and JJ, the Rams IOL would be looking pretty good.

Overall, it is clear you want to makeover the WR and TE room.
This would be the time. The Rams need an element of explosiveness. Atwell never materialized, for whatever reason, and it would be stupid to stay even if he was made an offer.
Cutting Parkinson would hardly be noticed, and while you’re at it, dump Long (it seems like you did). As for Allen, I have been waiting on his development. It has to be inconsistency. I see Stafford bark at him one play and throw a TD pass to him the next. I see a missed block one play and a decent block the next.
I’m rooting for the guy, but he has to get it together. I understand, though, the trade and drafting of two other TEs.

You bring in a different kind of RB? You mean like every other team has and has had since I’ve been watching football (which is a long time)? Excellent idea. I don’t know why McVay has abandoned this approach.

I would prefer a bigger, potential #1 CB from the draft. I don’t want a rinse and repeat of last year where the Rams (and you?) rely on players to come in and start even though their teams have given up on them. It’s usually time for those guys to go. I’d rather roll the dice on draft picks and hope their rookie season has a trajectory similar to Kinchens, Fiske, and Verse where they get better from week to week.

Future QB:
I’m just not on the Dart train to the extent I would pick him in the 1rst round. I know this won’t be popular, but I’m leaning towards picking Kurtis Rourke (UI) later in the draft for development. This works even if Stafford stays.

I appreciate the effort, Momento, because all avenues need to be considered in the offseason. Not just for practical reasons, but to keep the mocks from becoming stale and still somewhat entertaining.
 

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Sorry I get these are basically fan fiction but there has to be some grounding in reality. The trades and tear it all down makes no sense. And not sure Dart is the guy to re build around.

You know, Dart could really stick to the board. He might be on target. Heck, might even be a bullseye.

Ok, I'll see myself out now.
 

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Not a fan of this one.

Quick notes.

Don't like the Joseph Ossai signing. Would rather a cheaper veteran or draft choice as backup.

If the Rams can get a 3rd rounder for Cooper Kupp before the season at his contract when DeAndre Hopkins could only garner a conditional 5th rounder I'd be shocked.

From what I've read Shilo Sanders hasn't looked to good at East West Shrine practices.

Like Mayer, but leery of trading for players without knowing why he had to sit out last season. Besides, the TE class is too deep to trade for a player already 2 years in to his contract, IMO.

I'm on the Matthew Golden is a first round selection bandwagon.

Tried to do younger defensive players in free agency so I could focus on offense in the draft and given that Agent Zero is going to be almost thirty at the end of his contract, I'd like to get a younger edge rusher to potentially compete with him to go with Verse. Ossai strikes me as that type. I assume that we could get a third for Kupp because there were a lot of teams that were supposedly on him at the trade deadline. Don't like Shilo Sanders at all and hope we don't get him, so that doesn't bother me. Mayer sat out because of mental health, but if he's squared away, you have a first-round caliber tight end who can do everything. Golden is talented, but I don't think he's proven as a first-round pick yet, whereas a guy like Royals strikes me as a guy who could easily sneak into the first. Overall, either of them could end up in the late-first/mid-third range, depending on Combine.

Things have been lukewarm for Dart during the Shrine practice week. My hope he improves. I think he will be a steal.

If so, I'd trade out of the first round to take him. I think he's going to be a ginormous steal with whomever gets him. Reminds me a bit of Baker Mayfield at his best.

Very interesting scenario. Too much of a youth movement for me lol. But if Stafford does retire, we probably do need to embrace youth. I don't like Dart in Round 1, personally. Big fan of a number of other picks. Moose Muhammad is interesting. He looked so promising early in his career, but he has seemingly been in the doghouse for years. Didn't do much this year. I don't love the idea of relying on Hollin Pierce to start as a rookie. He needs time and development.

Moose Muhammad is someone who could've benefitted from a better coaching staff at A&M. I don't know why he's in the doghouse, but he's got some of the best hands in this class, and I'm looking for traits (like Franklin's route running) that late when it comes to receivers. Apparently, I made mistakes in this mock and left it unfinished, but Warren McClendon's apparently there, so he could be a placeholder for Pierce until he's ready. But I love Pierce's traits, and he's so young (only a redshirt sophomore) that he could be an elite right tackle for many years to come.

I guess a doomsday scenario is something to be prepared for, so I’ll use the premise of both Havenstein and Stafford retire.

Cuts:
I’m not cutting Kendrick before I see we have 4 CBs who are better. I said the same around this time last year. I knew the secondary was gonna be the weak spot and I wasn’t sold on the twhite signing. I also had concerns that DW would not be best suited for the #1 CB job. The Rams need to be sure they have enough dependable and better players back there before they trade away Kendrick. Your trades/FA moves don’t convince me Kendrick should be dealt before the draft.

Re-signees:
I don’t think you’re paying enough to keep AJ, especially if you are willing to pay bolton $10mil/per. AJ will get closer to $15mil/per at least. I certainly agree with re-signing him, though.

I would also like to bring back Hoecht and BB3. They have shown themselves to be pros who continued to improve. They each made their share of plays this last season.

If you want to bring back jimmy g-string for another year, that’s your choice and not one I would make. I do, however, agree the Rams would need to bring in a veteran bridge QB. Admittedly, I haven’t given much thought to that just yet, but am seeing the Rams looking towards their future at QB.

Trades:
I can see Kupp and the Rams moving in different directions this season, as much as I don’t want it to happen. Getting a 3rd, IMO, is some lofty thinking. If I’m an opposing GM, I don’t give up anything earlier than a 4th, maybe throw in a 6th as a kicker, but nothing higher than a 4th. I’m not criticizing the trade, you understand, just not seeing the compensation you seek.

I think it’s safe to say we were all disappointed in the return the Rams got outta JJ, but I would not expect the Rams to give up on him so easily if they plan on losing Noteboom. JJ would essentially take Noteboom’s place as a good swing OL who is oft injured and way overpaid. Like Noteboom, JJ has flashed before—just not as a Ram. Between Dedich and JJ, the Rams IOL would be looking pretty good.

Overall, it is clear you want to makeover the WR and TE room.
This would be the time. The Rams need an element of explosiveness. Atwell never materialized, for whatever reason, and it would be stupid to stay even if he was made an offer.
Cutting Parkinson would hardly be noticed, and while you’re at it, dump Long (it seems like you did). As for Allen, I have been waiting on his development. It has to be inconsistency. I see Stafford bark at him one play and throw a TD pass to him the next. I see a missed block one play and a decent block the next.
I’m rooting for the guy, but he has to get it together. I understand, though, the trade and drafting of two other TEs.

You bring in a different kind of RB? You mean like every other team has and has had since I’ve been watching football (which is a long time)? Excellent idea. I don’t know why McVay has abandoned this approach.

I would prefer a bigger, potential #1 CB from the draft. I don’t want a rinse and repeat of last year where the Rams (and you?) rely on players to come in and start even though their teams have given up on them. It’s usually time for those guys to go. I’d rather roll the dice on draft picks and hope their rookie season has a trajectory similar to Kinchens, Fiske, and Verse where they get better from week to week.

Future QB:
I’m just not on the Dart train to the extent I would pick him in the 1rst round. I know this won’t be popular, but I’m leaning towards picking Kurtis Rourke (UI) later in the draft for development. This works even if Stafford stays.

I appreciate the effort, Momento, because all avenues need to be considered in the offseason. Not just for practical reasons, but to keep the mocks from becoming stale and still somewhat entertaining.

Cutting Kendrick because he saves money, and honestly, I'd rather even try out Hodges-Tomlinson over him; THT, at least, isn't an idiot off the field. And there's still the now-rookie players (Wallace, Woods, Lampkin) who are interesting, and Forbes and Durant. Push comes to shove, we could even re-sign Witherspoon or another vet late.

Agreed that I could pay A-Jax more, and definitely could afford to if Stafford and Havenstein retire. I'd love to resign Hoecht, but in this mock, he's moving on to Atlanta to play for Raheem, and if we're paying these players this much, don't think Hoecht is re-signable. As for BB3, there's absolutely no way I chance re-signing him. He's going to go for a lot more than we should pay, and his immaturity issues mean that I'm not willing to pay him that. I don't like Garoppolo much, but if we're picking a young quarterback, we'll need a bridge veteran who can steal games, and there's little better than Garoppolo at this point.

A third might be lofty thinking, but I think we could definitely get something high for Kupp, and in this scenario, he'd definitely be dealt. As for J-Jax, he costs too much for a backup guard and I don't think he wants to be a backup, plain and simple. I don't want another Noteboom. I'm sorry, I want to go more youthful at offense, if we're losing so much.

As for the draft, it just makes sense to remake things at the skill positions. Bringing in Mayer is something I'm a fan of; I think he's a much better tight end than we'll get with the #100 pick (unless Arroyo's there, which I doubt), Bringing in Mayer, Golden/Franklin/MM3 to go along with Nacua and Whittington should help with that. K-Will's still there, and you have Corum, Allen, and Schrader to help.

As for Dart, I know that a lot of people aren't fans, but every quarterback in this class has their warts, and Dart, to me, is probably one of the better ones (not a fan of Sanders (maturity) or Milroe (processing) at all, Ward will likely go #1, and guys like Ewers and McCord, while I like them, have their own flaws) we're going to get at that point. I also think that trading out of the first for picks could be another thing we could do. Either way, not the best quarterback class for a franchise quarterback, but I think Dart could be one.

You know, Dart could really stick to the board. He might be on target. Heck, might even be a bullseye.

Ok, I'll see myself out now.

Lawl~

Sorry I get these are basically fan fiction but there has to be some grounding in reality. The trades and tear it all down makes no sense. And not sure Dart is the guy to re build around.

It makes sense if Stafford and/or Havenstein retire. I disagree that Dart wouldn't be the guy to rebuild around if that happens, and I disagree on a teardown; it's a youth movement, but a lot of the veterans are still there, and we're switching from defense being the youngest, least paid, and underrated to the offense taking over that role. Naturally, I hope Stafford and Havenstein stay, but this mock was about the worst-case scenario.
 

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Moose Muhammad is someone who could've benefitted from a better coaching staff at A&M. I don't know why he's in the doghouse, but he's got some of the best hands in this class, and I'm looking for traits (like Franklin's route running) that late when it comes to receivers. Apparently, I made mistakes in this mock and left it unfinished, but Warren McClendon's apparently there, so he could be a placeholder for Pierce until he's ready. But I love Pierce's traits, and he's so young (only a redshirt sophomore) that he could be an elite right tackle for many years to come.
I don't doubt Pierce's potential. I just don't think he's ready to start from Day 1. Pass pro will be an adventure. If Havenstein goes, I'd prefer we sign a competent veteran, as I don't trust McClendon to be a full-time starter based on his play this year.
 

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I don’t think you’re paying enough to keep AJ, especially if you are willing to pay bolton $10mil/per. AJ will get closer to $15mil/per at least. I certainly agree with re-signing him, though.
I agree.
They likely end up franchise tagging him, (23 mill) if they cant come to an agreement. Hard to think that he'd sign a long term deal for significantly less. Also consider Dotson got 16 mill per year and Jackson 17 last year for playing OG. Those numbers would have to be on the low end for an OLT