Mailbag: Sam Bradford and Eli Manning

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Via the NFC West mailbag, Ryan from Montreal sees parallels between Eli Manning and Sam Bradford through their first three seasons.

Both quarterbacks were drafted No. 1 overall in their classes. Both endured criticism during some rocky stretches. Both also flashed the talent that made them highly drafted players.

We know how the story has played out for Manning. He moved past the early struggles, becoming a top starting quarterback (most of the time) and winning two Super Bowls.

"I could be wrong," Ryan writes, "but I feel like some of the rhetoric Bradford is experiencing existed with Manning. Though Manning had a better record, a quick look at their stats reveals they are not too dissimilar."

Good idea, Ryan. The chart shows statistical similarities. We do not yet have Total QBR figures before 2008, but the traditional stats line up pretty closely in areas such as yards per pass attempt.

Manning did enjoy one tremendous advantage. The New York Giants organization has been among the most stable in the league. Manning has had the same head coach, Tom Coughlin, and offensive coordinator, Kevin Gilbride, for the duration of his career. Bradford has had two head coaches and three offensive coordinators in his first three seasons.

Manning and the Giants broke through with a Super Bowl victory in Manning's fourth season. Manning finished that 2007 regular season with 23 touchdown passes and 20 interceptions. The ratio was 6-1 in the playoffs as the Giants won road games against Tampa Bay, Dallas and Green Bay before upsetting New England in the Super Bowl.

The Giants went from 8-8 in Manning's third season to 10-6 in his fourth. Bradford and the Rams were 7-8-1 last season. Conventional wisdom says the Rams will be the third-best team in the NFC West. The 2007 Giants finished second to Philadelphia in the NFC East. Before that season, 16 of 16 ESPN analysts picked someone other than the Giants to win the NFC.
 

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The chart says what I been saying all along... More TDs = more wins.

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Wanna see the most telling stat on there? Just look at the sack counts. TDs??? Exactly THREE more per SEASON. How many wins does that get you?? Pretty sure Eli does not have as many TDs while playing from his ass. Stop typing out of yours.
 

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Wanna see the most telling stat on there? Just look at the sack counts. TDs??? Exactly THREE more per SEASON. How many wins does that get you?? Pretty sure Eli does not have as many TDs while playing from his ass. Stop typing out of yours.

I've seem Sam take senseless sacks when he didn't have too. Not saying he would have threw TDs if not sacked but it coulda extended plays/drives. And in my eyes 3tds would have won a game or 2. TDs win games, look at all the games we lost by 7pts or less last yr. Sacks are important too but I'm just saying sometimes you gotta help yourself to avoid sacks, like be did in the last part of the season.

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Yes Sam did take alot of seemingly senseless sacks, but when your O-Line folds like a pieces of paper, would rather him take the sack then try to force a throw.
 

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I can knitpick all day about how I feel Sam took sacks.... But there were times when he clearly had a pocket and all he had to do was step up in it. There were times were it lookd to me as if he seen a defender coming and he could have ran or side stepped and threw the ball our of bounds... Or atleaat tried to avoid the hit.

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fastcat said:
I can knitpick all day about how I feel Sam took sacks.... But there were times when he clearly had a pocket and all he had to do was step up in it. There were times were it lookd to me as if he seen a defender coming and he could have ran or side stepped and threw the ball our of bounds... Or atleaat tried to avoid the hit.

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I can agree with that. I am far from a Bradford apologist, but you gotta admit, that sack total is ridiculous any way you slice it.
 

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Hopefully our offensive line will improve to be one of the better lines in the league.

Lets see if Rodger Saffold can switch to right tackle smoothly, and Jake long stays injury free.

Sam should be upright a lot more this season with a better reciving core and speed out the back field. Heard that tavon has been taken snaps as running back a couple of times, exciting stuff!!