Kupp informed Rams seeking to trade him

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I’d rather keep Kupp for another year and his additional $7.5m. But McVay & Snead think otherwise. It makes me think that McVay wants to change up with offensive scheme - more 12 personnel and utilizing a speedy deep threat WR (not a blocking WR). That’s the only way it makes sense to me. Otherwise you role with Kupp one more year and then release him when the dead cap hit is way smaller.
 

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I’d rather keep Kupp for another year and his additional $7.5m. But McVay & Snead think otherwise. It makes me think that McVay wants to change up with offensive scheme - more 12 personnel and utilizing a speedy deep threat WR (not a blocking WR). That’s the only way it makes sense to me. Otherwise you role with Kupp one more year and then release him when the dead cap hit is way smaller.
If they trade Kupp before the league year starts in March, they will save $12.5m which is a much more substantial amount.

But there's a lot of validity to your thought that McVay wants to change up the offensive scheme. He mentioned that he wants to be 'more versatile from a personnel perspective or from a run variety perspective.'

I'm not entirely sure what that means but I imagine your suggestions are part of it. I'm wondering how he wants to change the run game. He pointed to the Bucs as an example of what he would like to do.
 

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If they trade Kupp before the league year starts in March, they will save $12.5m which is a much more substantial amount.
That's not entirely true.
They *could* save 12.5 mill if they trade him before his bonus is due AND the team trading for him agree to pay it
Seems highly unlikely a team will be willing to pay Kupp 20 mill unless the Rams are throwing them a bone.
More likely that the Rams eat a portion of, if not all of that 7.5 bonus which reduces that 12.5 "save"
 

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Here me out, I think the NY experience has the highest variance when it comes to money spent.

Below a certain level of money, Hawaii is the better vacation by far. And Hawaii is not cheap. But at a certain level, NY tops Hawaii easily.
Being a regular visitor to Kauai for vacation, yes, eating is expensive there, but, you can do it for cheaper via Costco. Then, you can literally just spend time on beaches or hikes for free excellence. Without the fear of crime might I add lol
 

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If they trade Kupp before the league year starts in March, they will save $12.5m which is a much more substantial amount.

But there's a lot of validity to your thought that McVay wants to change up the offensive scheme. He mentioned that he wants to be 'more versatile from a personnel perspective or from a run variety perspective.'

I'm not entirely sure what that means but I imagine your suggestions are part of it. I'm wondering how he wants to change the run game. He pointed to the Bucs as an example of what he would like to do.
I do think 12 is going to be part of that translation for McVay. What is interesting about him is he's got that old school philosophy where he values stretching the field vertically. That naturally meshes with an ability to line up and mash, and he has trended that way with blocking scheme and talent up front. Problem is he has never found the TE with enough quality to pull a WR off the field. Even when it's a journeyman like Robinson.

So if they were to add a TE, let's say Arroyo or Taylor or maybe even Loveland, with that player on the field with Higs you have better threat to a defense than with our WR depth chart. From there the question is how do you upgrade X. And does that work better if you go X at 26, assuming one is there which is no guarantee from a value perspective. Or maybe the TE first and then just add a speed option with some balls to him (undersized most likely if it's a round 3 X type).

Guessing the latter is the way they will approach it. But the players have to fall the right way for that to happen. If teams value the TEs more and we're looking at Golden then maybe that's the best play but if we go that route I suspect we end up with a smaller slot because those guys (Bech, Restrepo etc) compare favorably to the TEs that will be on the board round 3 when the next picks are up.
 

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I do think 12 is going to be part of that translation for McVay. What is interesting about him is he's got that old school philosophy where he values stretching the field vertically. That naturally meshes with an ability to line up and mash, and he has trended that way with blocking scheme and talent up front. Problem is he has never found the TE with enough quality to pull a WR off the field. Even when it's a journeyman like Robinson.

So if they were to add a TE, let's say Arroyo or Taylor or maybe even Loveland, with that player on the field with Higs you have better threat to a defense than with our WR depth chart. From there the question is how do you upgrade X. And does that work better if you go X at 26, assuming one is there which is no guarantee from a value perspective. Or maybe the TE first and then just add a speed option with some balls to him (undersized most likely if it's a round 3 X type).

Guessing the latter is the way they will approach it. But the players have to fall the right way for that to happen. If teams value the TEs more and we're looking at Golden then maybe that's the best play but if we go that route I suspect we end up with a smaller slot because those guys (Bech, Restrepo etc) compare favorably to the TEs that will be on the board round 3 when the next picks are up.
Good breakdown.

For me with McVay it's an 'I have to see it to believe it' type thing because McVay is stubborn. I'm not convinced he's going to change as much as he's saying he wants to. If I had to guess, I feel your last paragraph is the more likely outcome where we ultimately end up with a Matthew Golden, someone like Bech, and an underwhelming TE.
 

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I do think 12 is going to be part of that translation for McVay. What is interesting about him is he's got that old school philosophy where he values stretching the field vertically. That naturally meshes with an ability to line up and mash, and he has trended that way with blocking scheme and talent up front. Problem is he has never found the TE with enough quality to pull a WR off the field. Even when it's a journeyman like Robinson.

So if they were to add a TE, let's say Arroyo or Taylor or maybe even Loveland, with that player on the field with Higs you have better threat to a defense than with our WR depth chart. From there the question is how do you upgrade X. And does that work better if you go X at 26, assuming one is there which is no guarantee from a value perspective. Or maybe the TE first and then just add a speed option with some balls to him (undersized most likely if it's a round 3 X type).

Guessing the latter is the way they will approach it. But the players have to fall the right way for that to happen. If teams value the TEs more and we're looking at Golden then maybe that's the best play but if we go that route I suspect we end up with a smaller slot because those guys (Bech, Restrepo etc) compare favorably to the TEs that will be on the board round 3 when the next picks are up.
It could be that drafting Kupp is the defining factor in McVay changing his offensive philosophy from what it was with Washington.

Kupp was too valuable to leave on the sideline but wasn’t a true outside threat type of receiver. He was almost a small TE.
 

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If they trade Kupp before the league year starts in March, they will save $12.5m which is a much more substantial amount.

But there's a lot of validity to your thought that McVay wants to change up the offensive scheme. He mentioned that he wants to be 'more versatile from a personnel perspective or from a run variety perspective.'

I'm not entirely sure what that means but I imagine your suggestions are part of it. I'm wondering how he wants to change the run game. He pointed to the Bucs as an example of what he would like to do.
What that means could be an offense that looks a lot more like what Tampa Bay ran. He mentioned Coen when talking about being more versatile.

Coen did a lot of ‘really cool’ stuff in the run game, according to Nate Tice. I haven’t watched the Bucs all year so I won’t speculate on what Tice is referring to.
 

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This is like putting your dog down when it's terminally ill. You know it has to be done, but good gawd does it fucking suck ass.

Fuck. FUCK!!! Fuckity fuck fuck fuckity goddam fuck shit fuck dammit!!

Was really hoping he would remain a Ram through the end of his career and begin his coaching career with the Rams the year after he retired.

Fuck.

Thanks for the memories, Coop - you were one of a kind and you were truly great. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
Let's see if I can put this into perspective, FUCK!
 

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New York and Yellowstone are two of the most gorgeous places you could ever go. Do both!
How the fuck can you compare God's natural beauty to a crime infested cesspool of a city. As someone who has been thru Yellowstone numerous times I find this offensive. I have never been to NY but have been to Chicago, LA, Seattle among numerous over-populated overseas locations during my 23 military career and there is no way to compare the 2, sorry.
 

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Exactly how could could he have made that happen?
By pushing more dead cap dollars down the road just to remain relevant, EVERY players past production in this league is eventually replaced and exceeded.
 

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With this draft, do you have to take an X before a TE if they want to carry on with a heavy dose of 11 personnel? What if we took two stud TE to pair with Higbee and Co? That would transform our offense into more of the one McVay ran in Washington and what he seemed to want when he first arrived. I agree with Merlin but wonder if there could be a different approach to how they build the offense with Kupp gone?
 

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It could be that drafting Kupp is the defining factor in McVay changing his offensive philosophy from what it was with Washington.

Kupp was too valuable to leave on the sideline but wasn’t a true outside threat type of receiver. He was almost a small TE.
I have posted this several times in the last couple years when reading so many posts about wanting to see more 12 personnel.
Having receivers who can block like a TE is better than 12 personnel because you have more options in the passing game—the receivers are faster. Personnel changes can tip off a defense too.
Woods/Kupp
Nacua/Kupp

How would 12 personnel have made the Rams offense better? It wouldn’t have.
After seeing what the Rams TE room showed this last season, Whittington out blocked them half the time.

Now, if Kupp leaves, that changes things. Just look at the few successful screens the Rams ran. Who was the key blocker?
#10.
 

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Maybe ... sure hope so ... just don't think it's going to be much in 2025 cap savings.
But it will save cap dollars in 26'. I also read in OTC about them getting back $5M as an offsett in 26' if he is let go this year.
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"If the Rams cut Kupp the charge would be $22.76 million with the team receiving up to a $5 million offset credit in 2026."