Jeff Fisher Anyone?

[Anonymous]

Lets face it. spags is going to get fired. I would be shocked if he is still here next year. So who do you guys want to be the new coach? I want jeff fisher. The guy has had a competitive team every year. Maybe hes not the youngest coach but he has had some good teams. But he still doesnt have a ring as far as i know. There are other guys out there but imo by far the guy i would want the most is fisher. what do you guys think?

 

[joeybittick]

Lets face it. spags is going to get fired. I would be shocked if he is still here next year. So who do you guys want to be the new coach? I want jeff fisher. The guy has had a competitive team every year. Maybe hes not the youngest coach but he has had some good teams. But he still doesnt have a ring as far as i know. There are other guys out there but imo by far the guy i would want the most is fisher. what do you guys think?

Eh, if you want to have this discussion there is a place for it:

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Last I heard, Steve Spagnuolo is the Head Coach of the St. Louis Rams, and until Stan Kroenke says something to the contrary, I am not even going to entertain the thought of who should/could/would replace him. And I do not want to speak for anyone else, but I am pretty sure the leadership of the site feels the same...

P.S. I wasn't trying to be a dick when I posted this, and I realize you may not know the drill, but ROD was created so that fans could get away from these kind of threads. There will be hundreds of them on that other site, so if you want to have that discussion this early, you will have more luck there.

The posters here quite honestly are offended by posts like this and you are likely to hear it from them. So, again, not trying to be an asshole, I am just trying to look out for you.

 

[Ramhusker]

Yeah, we can't tell the future and this is something that we don't need to waste our time on week 5 of a young season. I'm thinking Spags has a little bit more leeway with this season's early tough schedule.

 

[iBruce]

Only guy we need to fire is the soft-tissue specialist on our team. How in the world do we get so many torn ACLs?

 

[Anonymous]

Lets face it. spags is going to get fired. I would be shocked if he is still here next year. So who do you guys want to be the new coach? I want jeff fisher. The guy has had a competitive team every year. Maybe hes not the youngest coach but he has had some good teams. But he still doesnt have a ring as far as i know. There are other guys out there but imo by far the guy i would want the most is fisher. what do you guys think?

I'm not offended that you expressed an opinion. An opinion given the recent history that would be ridiculous to not consider. I've always liked Jeff Fisher. Rams would be doing great to get him if Spags leaves. I was hoping after Linehan the Rams could get him away from the Titans but the timing was off by a year I think. Fisher is an excellent coach.

 

[-X-]

Lets face it. spags is going to get fired. I would be shocked if he is still here next year. So who do you guys want to be the new coach? I want jeff fisher. The guy has had a competitive team every year. Maybe hes not the youngest coach but he has had some good teams. But he still doesnt have a ring as far as i know. There are other guys out there but imo by far the guy i would want the most is fisher. what do you guys think?

I'm not offended that you expressed an opinion. An opinion given the recent history that would be ridiculous to not consider. I've always liked Jeff Fisher. Rams would be doing great to get him if Spags leaves. I was hoping after Linehan the Rams could get him away from the Titans but the timing was off by a year I think. Fisher is an excellent coach.

Only problem I have with the OP is the phrase, "Let's face it. spags is going to get fired." I'm not prone to facing speculation. I do have a question for you guys though. What in the FAT hell could Jeff Fisher do with 7 DB's on IR, a sophmore QB in his third system, a star RB (focus of the offense) who gets injured on his first play from scrimmage, and 3 rookie receivers who missed all of OTA's and had 3 weeks to learn not just any playbook, but McDaniels' playbook? Maybe he'd cut everyone and scream and yell, but I can almost guarantee these Rams would still be 0-4.

So, let's face this. Fisher is going to get fired too. Now who you got?

 

[Faceplant]

They were discussing Spags and Devaney on SIRIUS NFL Radio this morning. They both said they like Spags, but they agreed that you cannot ignore the record and some of the draft picks associated with this regime. I really hope this FO can get it together and build for years to come, but Spags is losing me a bit this year. Lots of head scratching moments with him since he has been here actually. IF we were to start over, I would LOVE to have Fisher......

 

[joeybittick]

Lets face it. spags is going to get fired. I would be shocked if he is still here next year. So who do you guys want to be the new coach? I want jeff fisher. The guy has had a competitive team every year. Maybe hes not the youngest coach but he has had some good teams. But he still doesnt have a ring as far as i know. There are other guys out there but imo by far the guy i would want the most is fisher. what do you guys think?

I'm not offended that you expressed an opinion. An opinion given the recent history that would be ridiculous to not consider. I've always liked Jeff Fisher. Rams would be doing great to get him if Spags leaves. I was hoping after Linehan the Rams could get him away from the Titans but the timing was off by a year I think. Fisher is an excellent coach.

Only problem I have with the OP is the phrase, "Let's face it. spags is going to get fired." I'm not prone to facing speculation. I do have a question for you guys though. What in the FAT hell could Jeff Fisher do with 7 DB's on IR, a sophmore QB in his third system, a star RB (focus of the offense) who gets injured on his first play from scrimmage, and 3 rookie receivers who missed all of OTA's and had 3 weeks to learn not just any playbook, but McDaniels' playbook? Maybe he'd cut everyone and scream and yell, but I can almost guarantee these Rams would still be 0-4.

So, let's face this. Fisher is going to get fired too. Now who you got?

You put it much better than I. I agree.

Maybe the Rams are just cursed....

Shit, if an effing goat can a put 100+ year curse on a baseball franchise, I would imagine a two time MVP combined with a Super Bowl winning coach can pull off some wicked voodoo.... :nono:

 

[Stranger]

I think what has got me more upset than anything else is the effort put forth to get Sam some real receiving weapons. Just about all of us talked about this, and almost everyone was cautious about the talent level we had. Eventually, we all bought the koolaid and thought we'd be ok. Well, the talent at receiver is totally unacceptable, and this is the fault of the coaches and the player personnel department. For me, given the talent we have at QB & RB, this "mistake" is inexcuseable, because the reprocussions to the current team and Sam's future is potentially so devestating. Quite honestly, I'm pretty damn pissed off about this, and I have no problem with an end-of-season regime change at this point.

Lastly, while I haven't been at the PD for over a year, I have no problem with this kind of OP here at this point in time. Doesn't seem to me to be unreasonable to be having this sort of conversation now.

 

[Faceplant]

I think what has got me more upset than anything else is the effort put forth to get Sam some real receiving weapons. Just about all of us talked about this, and almost everyone was cautious about the talent level we had. Eventually, we all bought the koolaid and thought we'd be ok. Well, the talent at receiver is totally unacceptable, and this is the fault of the coaches and the player personnel department. For me, given the talent we have at QB & RB, this "mistake" is inexcuseable, because the reprocussions to the current team and Sam's future is potentially so devestating. Quite honestly, I'm pretty damn pissed off about this, and I have no problem with an end-of-season regime change at this point.

Lastly, while I haven't been at the PD for over a year, I have no problem with this kind of OP here at this point in time. Doesn't seem to me to be unreasonable to be having this sort of conversation now.

Agreed. The WR and OL situations are pretty much pathetic right now....and THOSE 2 deficiencies are the best way to get a young franchise QB killed. Bad bad bad......

 

[joeybittick]

They were discussing Spags and Devaney on SIRIUS NFL Radio this morning. They both said they like Spags, but they agreed that you cannot ignore the record and some of the draft picks associated with this regime. I really hope this FO can get it together and build for years to come, but Spags is losing me a bit this year. Lots of head scratching moments with him since he has been here actually. IF we were to start over, I would LOVE to have Fisher......

I just wonder if the people calling for Kroenke to clean house really want to sit through what that entails. Look at what the cleanup after the success of the Vermeil/Martz era has been like... 6-42 was fucking brutal, and I for one am not willing to put up with that again without at least giving Spags and Billy D every chance possible to right this thing.

Sometimes these things do not just move in a straight upward climb, sometimes it happens in waves... It cant always be worst to first. Sometimes it has to be worst to middle of the pack to lower third to upper third to first.

1999 was the greatest thing ever, but I also think it was a double edged sword, because a lot of fans expect it to happen like that every time. And it does not. I mean, it is so rare that the closest thing people have to compare it to (in my memory at least) is the effing Cheatriots going from 6-10 to 10-6 or whatever they did that year they stole a Super Bowl. Oh, and the 1-15 Dolphins going to an 11-5 playoff birth (cannot remember the exact record).

Oh, and how did that quick fix work out? They are looking at another rebuild already. Because they never really rebuilt. They plugged their holes with some pretty (on the surface) SHORT TERM improvements, but it turns out the foundation was fucked and they really just put lipstick on the pig.

And people point to the Lions for their "quick turnaround". Ummm... does anyone remember them starting off like 6-0 before tanking and then going 0-16. They have been awful for forever, and even this current iteration has taken a while to climb out of the dumpster.

So, yeah, pardon me if I do not want Kroenke to "clean house" and I am not going to shout "Fire SO and SO" because that just means whatever progress was made is negated and we go through this fucking losing shit for even longer. I am tired of hating Sundays, so I am willing to watch the Rams fall back this year before they learn how to take that step towards success. I mean, come on, Bradford is just in his second year and this team is young everywhere else for the most part as well...

Shit, I know this has been a novel, I should have just written a blog, lol. I will finish with this... If you guys are right and Spags really is proven to be awful and needs to be fired, feel free to call me a koolaid drinker or call me out for sticking behind him. Feel free to say "we told you so", I just hope you do not say it with glee like some seem to do when they claim they knew the Rams "sucked".

But if I am right, the people calling for heads are going to hear "I told you so!" from me, and I will say it with a big fat fucking smile on my face.

 

[Anonymous]

Only problem I have with the OP is the phrase, "Let's face it. spags is going to get fired." I'm not prone to facing speculation. I do have a question for you guys though. What in the FAT hell could Jeff Fisher do with 7 DB's on IR, a sophmore QB in his third system, a star RB (focus of the offense) who gets injured on his first play from scrimmage, and 3 rookie receivers who missed all of OTA's and had 3 weeks to learn not just any playbook, but McDaniels' playbook? Maybe he'd cut everyone and scream and yell, but I can almost guarantee these Rams would still be 0-4.

So, let's face this. Fisher is going to get fired too. Now who you got?

As Faceplant just posted the WR and OL situations are inexcusable this late in Spags tenure....same for Devaney. 2nd system for SB is a concern....that's why you don't hire someone obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success. Shurmur wasn't a good hire in that respect. I'd also add that the defense hasn't exactly looked good either. 0-4.....sure I'm not surprised by that and I've said that in posts too. However the team is playing worse with each game. That is cause for concern. That points towards coaching.

 

[joeybittick]

I think what has got me more upset than anything else is the effort put forth to get Sam some real receiving weapons. Just about all of us talked about this, and almost everyone was cautious about the talent level we had. Eventually, we all bought the koolaid and thought we'd be ok. Well, the talent at receiver is totally unacceptable, and this is the fault of the coaches and the player personnel department. For me, given the talent we have at QB & RB, this "mistake" is inexcuseable, because the reprocussions to the current team and Sam's future is potentially so devestating. Quite honestly, I'm pretty damn pissed off about this, and I have no problem with an end-of-season regime change at this point.

Lastly, while I haven't been at the PD for over a year, I have no problem with this kind of OP here at this point in time. Doesn't seem to me to be unreasonable to be having this sort of conversation now.

Well, I guess I should apologize for misreading the situation and the tone of the board. I overreacted to the question I guess and I am sorry.

I do also want to say this. I have been thinking about the WR thing, and while it infuriates me at times, I also feel maybe we are missing something.

Those who are so adamant that the lack of addition at WR is caused by front office ineptitude, who would you have had them pick up?

I know people point to Desean Jackson. OK, Avery over Jackson on the surface was a mistake, but given his current attitude on the effing "dream team"... how do you think he would have handled having Bulger at QB and 1-15? Or, say he made an impact and they went 2-14 instead? I am sure he would have been happy with that :sly: .

And I maybe if Avery and Jackson's situations were reversed, maybe Avery (if he had stayed healthy) could have had success in Philly and Jackson might be viewed as a bust, or at least less spectacular than he is now.

And I personally hate the talk about Mike Williams as I have a hard time believing TB made that pick and thought "This guy is going to be a huge star right away!" If teams had thought that, he would not have lasted until pick 101. I am not saying they did not make a good pick, they obviously saw something, but I do not think anyone could have predicted how could he would be right away. I guess I just hate the second guessers. The people who were calling the shot before the picks turned out the way they did I respect (though I still do not believe they knew he would go for almost 1000 and catch 11 TD's...)

I wanted Brandon Marshall and people called me a lunatic, and maybe I was. He has not been a perfect citizen by any stretch. Santonio Holmes may have been worth picking up, but again, I do not see him being such a happy camper on a team in the position of the Rams at the time. Would they be improved with a guy like that, sure, but how much?

And what about Mark Clayton? That was a good pickup... until the injury, which always kills the Rams. Does the FO get no credit for that move? And Mike Sims Walker was not just some scrub in JAX. He was not a star, but he put up good numbers and is young and SHOULD be improving, but for some reason is not.

I guess... well, I look at the "star" WR that have been available; well, the FA's haven't signed with the Rams and the Rams cannot force them to, and the guys available for trade all came with MAJOR baggage. I personally would have taken the risk, but who knows how they would have responded to Bulger at Qb or in the conservative Shurmur offense? And maybe they would have meant an extra win or two, but that would also mean (maybe) no Bradford at QB as the Rams would have picked lower.

And those moves may take a team on the cusp to the next level, but they do not take a team as bereft of talent as the Rams were to a championship. So, I guess I am saying... Ok, Gilyard was an awful pick I give you that, but outside of him over Williams, I have not seen much of an oppurtunity for the Rams to grab that STAR WR. In the Draft of FA. Maybe I am just too much of an apologist though.

 

[joeybittick]

Only problem I have with the OP is the phrase, "Let's face it. spags is going to get fired." I'm not prone to facing speculation. I do have a question for you guys though. What in the FAT hell could Jeff Fisher do with 7 DB's on IR, a sophmore QB in his third system, a star RB (focus of the offense) who gets injured on his first play from scrimmage, and 3 rookie receivers who missed all of OTA's and had 3 weeks to learn not just any playbook, but McDaniels' playbook? Maybe he'd cut everyone and scream and yell, but I can almost guarantee these Rams would still be 0-4.

So, let's face this. Fisher is going to get fired too. Now who you got?

As Faceplant just posted the WR and OL situations are inexcusable this late in Spags tenure....same for Devaney. 2nd system for SB is a concern....that's why you don't hire someone obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success. Shurmur wasn't a good hire in that respect. I'd also add that the defense hasn't exactly looked good either. 0-4.....sure I'm not surprised by that and I've said that in posts too. However the team is playing worse with each game. That is cause for concern. That points towards coaching.

Fucking eyeroll :roll: :lmao:

Yeah, because ANYONE in their right mind was predicting someone to give Shurmur a head coaching job? Yeah, OK... And how about giving Spags credit for hiring a guy (at least partially) responsible for Bradford having the type of success that is almost unprecedented for a rookie and who is now turning Colt McCoy into a decent starting QB. He gets no credit for that? Because you can claim whatever you want but NOONE saw Shurmur getting a HC job last year. In fact, he was so bad the Rams needed to dump him because he was ruining the team's chances of ever winning.

I am calling shenanigans sir!

 

[Anonymous]

Only problem I have with the OP is the phrase, "Let's face it. spags is going to get fired." I'm not prone to facing speculation. I do have a question for you guys though. What in the FAT hell could Jeff Fisher do with 7 DB's on IR, a sophmore QB in his third system, a star RB (focus of the offense) who gets injured on his first play from scrimmage, and 3 rookie receivers who missed all of OTA's and had 3 weeks to learn not just any playbook, but McDaniels' playbook? Maybe he'd cut everyone and scream and yell, but I can almost guarantee these Rams would still be 0-4.

So, let's face this. Fisher is going to get fired too. Now who you got?

As Faceplant just posted the WR and OL situations are inexcusable this late in Spags tenure....same for Devaney. 2nd system for SB is a concern....that's why you don't hire someone obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success. Shurmur wasn't a good hire in that respect. I'd also add that the defense hasn't exactly looked good either. 0-4.....sure I'm not surprised by that and I've said that in posts too. However the team is playing worse with each game. That is cause for concern. That points towards coaching.

freaking eyeroll :roll: :lmao:

Yeah, because ANYONE in their right mind was predicting someone to give Shurmur a head coaching job? Yeah, OK... And how about giving Spags credit for hiring a guy (at least partially) responsible for Bradford having the type of success that is almost unprecedented for a rookie and who is now turning Colt McCoy into a decent starting QB. He gets no credit for that? Because you can claim whatever you want but NOONE saw Shurmur getting a HC job last year. In fact, he was so bad the Rams needed to dump him because he was ruining the team's chances of ever winning.

I am calling shenanigans sir!

HA! As is hiring the dink and dunk specialist? If you're worried about continuity you don't fail to get a commitment from your OC when drafting a QB #1 OVERALL to not leave after a year! Then you don't hire a frustrated former HC as your next OC without doing the same! (Assuming they didn't....you know not wanting to deny opportunity BS!) Wow I can't wait to see more drafting or signing of TEs.....because everyone else is! :roll:

 

[joeybittick]

Only problem I have with the OP is the phrase, "Let's face it. spags is going to get fired." I'm not prone to facing speculation. I do have a question for you guys though. What in the FAT hell could Jeff Fisher do with 7 DB's on IR, a sophmore QB in his third system, a star RB (focus of the offense) who gets injured on his first play from scrimmage, and 3 rookie receivers who missed all of OTA's and had 3 weeks to learn not just any playbook, but McDaniels' playbook? Maybe he'd cut everyone and scream and yell, but I can almost guarantee these Rams would still be 0-4.

So, let's face this. Fisher is going to get fired too. Now who you got?

As Faceplant just posted the WR and OL situations are inexcusable this late in Spags tenure....same for Devaney. 2nd system for SB is a concern....that's why you don't hire someone obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success. Shurmur wasn't a good hire in that respect. I'd also add that the defense hasn't exactly looked good either. 0-4.....sure I'm not surprised by that and I've said that in posts too. However the team is playing worse with each game. That is cause for concern. That points towards coaching.

freaking eyeroll :roll: :lmao:

Yeah, because ANYONE in their right mind was predicting someone to give Shurmur a head coaching job? Yeah, OK... And how about giving Spags credit for hiring a guy (at least partially) responsible for Bradford having the type of success that is almost unprecedented for a rookie and who is now turning Colt McCoy into a decent starting QB. He gets no credit for that? Because you can claim whatever you want but NOONE saw Shurmur getting a HC job last year. In fact, he was so bad the Rams needed to dump him because he was ruining the team's chances of ever winning.

I am calling shenanigans sir!

HA! As is hiring the dink and dunk specialist? If you're worried about continuity you don't fail to get a commitment from your OC when drafting a QB #1 OVERALL to not leave after a year! Then you don't hire a frustrated former HC as your next OC without doing the same! (Assuming they didn't....you know not wanting to deny opportunity BS!) Wow I can't wait to see more drafting or signing of TEs.....because everyone else is! :roll:

OK, I have been up all night, so maybe I am missing something, but where in there did you make a logical argument for your original statement?

You said:

that's why you don't hire someone obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success. Shurmur wasn't a good hire in that respect.

That means (to me at least) that Shurmur was a bad hire for OC in your mind because he was "obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success." Now, OK, maybe he was, but who could have predicted that anyone with a rookie QB, a below average O-line, shitty WR corps, bad TE's, etc, could turn an offense around to the point that a GM (especially one with the prestige of Holmgren) would given them an Head Coaching job.

SO yeah, even if Spags had that commitment (which given his personality I am sure that he did), things change. I am sure he (Shurmur) viewed turning the O around as a multi year task that would not allow him to get a promotion for at least a few seasons, at which point he could maybe move up the coaching ranks. But, when you are a guy like Shurmur and someone offers you a HC job, you take it, because it 99.9% will not happen again. That is the same thing Brad Childress said, that he knew he had one shot to be a HC so he was going to do it his way. For all Shurmur knew he had one shot to be a HC and took it.

So, yeah, again, you are not making much sense with that argument of a "bad hire"...

 

[Angry Ram]

They were discussing Spags and Devaney on SIRIUS NFL Radio this morning. They both said they like Spags, but they agreed that you cannot ignore the record and some of the draft picks associated with this regime. I really hope this FO can get it together and build for years to come, but Spags is losing me a bit this year. Lots of head scratching moments with him since he has been here actually. IF we were to start over, I would LOVE to have Fisher......

I just wonder if the people calling for Kroenke to clean house really want to sit through what that entails. Look at what the cleanup after the success of the Vermeil/Martz era has been like... 6-42 was fucking brutal, and I for one am not willing to put up with that again without at least giving Spags and Billy D every chance possible to right this thing.

Sometimes these things do not just move in a straight upward climb, sometimes it happens in waves... It cant always be worst to first. Sometimes it has to be worst to middle of the pack to lower third to upper third to first.

1999 was the greatest thing ever, but I also think it was a double edged sword, because a lot of fans expect it to happen like that every time. And it does not. I mean, it is so rare that the closest thing people have to compare it to (in my memory at least) is the effing Cheatriots going from 6-10 to 10-6 or whatever they did that year they stole a Super Bowl. Oh, and the 1-15 Dolphins going to an 11-5 playoff birth (cannot remember the exact record).

Oh, and how did that quick fix work out? They are looking at another rebuild already. Because they never really rebuilt. They plugged their holes with some pretty (on the surface) SHORT TERM improvements, but it turns out the foundation was fucked and they really just put lipstick on the pig.

And people point to the Lions for their "quick turnaround". Ummm... does anyone remember them starting off like 6-0 before tanking and then going 0-16. They have been awful for forever, and even this current iteration has taken a while to climb out of the dumpster.

So, yeah, pardon me if I do not want Kroenke to "clean house" and I am not going to shout "Fire SO and SO" because that just means whatever progress was made is negated and we go through this fucking losing shit for even longer. I am tired of hating Sundays, so I am willing to watch the Rams fall back this year before they learn how to take that step towards success. I mean, come on, Bradford is just in his second year and this team is young everywhere else for the most part as well...

Shit, I know this has been a novel, I should have just written a blog, lol. I will finish with this... If you guys are right and Spags really is proven to be awful and needs to be fired, feel free to call me a koolaid drinker or call me out for sticking behind him. Feel free to say "we told you so", I just hope you do not say it with glee like some seem to do when they claim they knew the Rams "sucked".

But if I am right, the people calling for heads are going to hear "I told you so!" from me, and I will say it with a big fat fucking smile on my face.

I said this in another thread, but the draft classes sucked in 2008 in 2009 for the Rams in the top 5.

Long is great, but he isn't Mario Williams. We're lucky that Dorsey didn't live up to HIS hype otherwise that's all we'd be hearing. Obviously we couldn't take Jake Long even if the Rams wanted to, and no to Ryan or McFadden b/c we already had SJack.

2009 was just bad. Only Stafford is lookin like a stud so far...yet ppl wrote him off as a "bust" b/c he was "injury prone."

Point is that when a team sucks enough to draft top 5, they HAVE to get a 10 year all star. So far, it looks like in 3 years, the Rams have 1 w/ Bradford. And remember, Long is great, an all-pro..but nothing like Mario Williams.

 

[Anonymous]

Only problem I have with the OP is the phrase, "Let's face it. spags is going to get fired." I'm not prone to facing speculation. I do have a question for you guys though. What in the FAT hell could Jeff Fisher do with 7 DB's on IR, a sophmore QB in his third system, a star RB (focus of the offense) who gets injured on his first play from scrimmage, and 3 rookie receivers who missed all of OTA's and had 3 weeks to learn not just any playbook, but McDaniels' playbook? Maybe he'd cut everyone and scream and yell, but I can almost guarantee these Rams would still be 0-4.

So, let's face this. Fisher is going to get fired too. Now who you got?

As Faceplant just posted the WR and OL situations are inexcusable this late in Spags tenure....same for Devaney. 2nd system for SB is a concern....that's why you don't hire someone obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success. Shurmur wasn't a good hire in that respect. I'd also add that the defense hasn't exactly looked good either. 0-4.....sure I'm not surprised by that and I've said that in posts too. However the team is playing worse with each game. That is cause for concern. That points towards coaching.

freaking eyeroll :roll: :lmao:

Yeah, because ANYONE in their right mind was predicting someone to give Shurmur a head coaching job? Yeah, OK... And how about giving Spags credit for hiring a guy (at least partially) responsible for Bradford having the type of success that is almost unprecedented for a rookie and who is now turning Colt McCoy into a decent starting QB. He gets no credit for that? Because you can claim whatever you want but NOONE saw Shurmur getting a HC job last year. In fact, he was so bad the Rams needed to dump him because he was ruining the team's chances of ever winning.

I am calling shenanigans sir!

HA! As is hiring the dink and dunk specialist? If you're worried about continuity you don't fail to get a commitment from your OC when drafting a QB #1 OVERALL to not leave after a year! Then you don't hire a frustrated former HC as your next OC without doing the same! (Assuming they didn't....you know not wanting to deny opportunity BS!) Wow I can't wait to see more drafting or signing of TEs.....because everyone else is! :roll:

OK, I have been up all night, so maybe I am missing something, but where in there did you make a logical argument for your original statement?

You said:

that's why you don't hire someone obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success. Shurmur wasn't a good hire in that respect.

That means (to me at least) that Shurmur was a bad hire for OC in your mind because he was "obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success." Now, OK, maybe he was, but who could have predicted that anyone with a rookie QB, a below average O-line, shitty WR corps, bad TE's, etc, could turn an offense around to the point that a GM (especially one with the prestige of Holmgren) would given them an Head Coaching job.

SO yeah, even if Spags had that commitment (which given his personality I am sure that he did), things change. I am sure he (Shurmur) viewed turning the O around as a multi year task that would not allow him to get a promotion for at least a few seasons, at which point he could maybe move up the coaching ranks. But, when you are a guy like Shurmur and someone offers you a HC job, you take it, because it 99.9% will not happen again. That is the same thing Brad Childress said, that he knew he had one shot to be a HC so he was going to do it his way. For all Shurmur knew he had one shot to be a HC and took it.

So, yeah, again, you are not making much sense with that argument of a "bad hire"...

It made perfect sense. Es[pecially in the context of drafting #1 OVERALL the best QB since Peyton Manning, etc. If continuity is a concern....and I'm not the one that brought it up.....you hire people that will allow you that continuity. In other words the patheticall INBRED world of NFL coaching as it is made up of now is not necessary and points more towards the comfy zone of the HC far more than it leads to true success. What pedigree did Martz have? What pedigree did Coryell have? So how about getting that commitment? or how about compensation? I don't care that Cleveland offered Shurmur the HC job. I'm pissed that if people really believe continuity is important that it shouldn't happen with no consequences.

 

[joeybittick]

They were discussing Spags and Devaney on SIRIUS NFL Radio this morning. They both said they like Spags, but they agreed that you cannot ignore the record and some of the draft picks associated with this regime. I really hope this FO can get it together and build for years to come, but Spags is losing me a bit this year. Lots of head scratching moments with him since he has been here actually. IF we were to start over, I would LOVE to have Fisher......

I just wonder if the people calling for Kroenke to clean house really want to sit through what that entails. Look at what the cleanup after the success of the Vermeil/Martz era has been like... 6-42 was fucking brutal, and I for one am not willing to put up with that again without at least giving Spags and Billy D every chance possible to right this thing.

Sometimes these things do not just move in a straight upward climb, sometimes it happens in waves... It cant always be worst to first. Sometimes it has to be worst to middle of the pack to lower third to upper third to first.

1999 was the greatest thing ever, but I also think it was a double edged sword, because a lot of fans expect it to happen like that every time. And it does not. I mean, it is so rare that the closest thing people have to compare it to (in my memory at least) is the effing Cheatriots going from 6-10 to 10-6 or whatever they did that year they stole a Super Bowl. Oh, and the 1-15 Dolphins going to an 11-5 playoff birth (cannot remember the exact record).

Oh, and how did that quick fix work out? They are looking at another rebuild already. Because they never really rebuilt. They plugged their holes with some pretty (on the surface) SHORT TERM improvements, but it turns out the foundation was fucked and they really just put lipstick on the pig.

And people point to the Lions for their "quick turnaround". Ummm... does anyone remember them starting off like 6-0 before tanking and then going 0-16. They have been awful for forever, and even this current iteration has taken a while to climb out of the dumpster.

So, yeah, pardon me if I do not want Kroenke to "clean house" and I am not going to shout "Fire SO and SO" because that just means whatever progress was made is negated and we go through this fucking losing shit for even longer. I am tired of hating Sundays, so I am willing to watch the Rams fall back this year before they learn how to take that step towards success. I mean, come on, Bradford is just in his second year and this team is young everywhere else for the most part as well...

Shit, I know this has been a novel, I should have just written a blog, lol. I will finish with this... If you guys are right and Spags really is proven to be awful and needs to be fired, feel free to call me a koolaid drinker or call me out for sticking behind him. Feel free to say "we told you so", I just hope you do not say it with glee like some seem to do when they claim they knew the Rams "sucked".

But if I am right, the people calling for heads are going to hear "I told you so!" from me, and I will say it with a big fat fucking smile on my face.

I said this in another thread, but the draft classes sucked in 2008 in 2009 for the Rams in the top 5.

Long is great, but he isn't Mario Williams. We're lucky that Dorsey didn't live up to HIS hype otherwise that's all we'd be hearing. Obviously we couldn't take Jake Long even if the Rams wanted to, and no to Ryan or McFadden b/c we already had SJack.

2009 was just bad. Only Stafford is lookin like a stud so far...yet ppl wrote him off as a "bust" b/c he was "injury prone."

Point is that when a team sucks enough to draft top 5, they HAVE to get a 10 year all star. So far, it looks like in 3 years, the Rams have 1 w/ Bradford. And remember, Long is great, an all-pro..but nothing like Mario Williams.

Chris Long G GS Tak Sck
2011 St. Louis Rams 4 4 8 3.0

Mario Williams
2011 Houston Texans 4 4 10 4.0

This last two years Long has played quite well,even with Williams. But I will agree Williams' stats were much better at the point in his career (4 years in) that Long is at. But this year Long has taken a big step and I think he will be a top 10 DE for the next few years. Is that worth the #2 pick? When I look at the other players who were considered worthy of a top 10 pick Long looks pretty damn good.

I am getting close to admitting that Smith is a bust and that was a bad pick.... I wanted BJ Raji or Aaron Curry ( )with that pick, but outside of him (and Stafford) the top 10 in that draft is nothing special. I would say that Rams were 2 for 3 in those picks, but your point is a good one. Teams MUST hit on those big time.

 

[joeybittick]

Only problem I have with the OP is the phrase, "Let's face it. spags is going to get fired." I'm not prone to facing speculation. I do have a question for you guys though. What in the FAT hell could Jeff Fisher do with 7 DB's on IR, a sophmore QB in his third system, a star RB (focus of the offense) who gets injured on his first play from scrimmage, and 3 rookie receivers who missed all of OTA's and had 3 weeks to learn not just any playbook, but McDaniels' playbook? Maybe he'd cut everyone and scream and yell, but I can almost guarantee these Rams would still be 0-4.

So, let's face this. Fisher is going to get fired too. Now who you got?

As Faceplant just posted the WR and OL situations are inexcusable this late in Spags tenure....same for Devaney. 2nd system for SB is a concern....that's why you don't hire someone obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success. Shurmur wasn't a good hire in that respect. I'd also add that the defense hasn't exactly looked good either. 0-4.....sure I'm not surprised by that and I've said that in posts too. However the team is playing worse with each game. That is cause for concern. That points towards coaching.

freaking eyeroll :roll: :lmao:

Yeah, because ANYONE in their right mind was predicting someone to give Shurmur a head coaching job? Yeah, OK... And how about giving Spags credit for hiring a guy (at least partially) responsible for Bradford having the type of success that is almost unprecedented for a rookie and who is now turning Colt McCoy into a decent starting QB. He gets no credit for that? Because you can claim whatever you want but NOONE saw Shurmur getting a HC job last year. In fact, he was so bad the Rams needed to dump him because he was ruining the team's chances of ever winning.

I am calling shenanigans sir!

HA! As is hiring the dink and dunk specialist? If you're worried about continuity you don't fail to get a commitment from your OC when drafting a QB #1 OVERALL to not leave after a year! Then you don't hire a frustrated former HC as your next OC without doing the same! (Assuming they didn't....you know not wanting to deny opportunity BS!) Wow I can't wait to see more drafting or signing of TEs.....because everyone else is! :roll:

OK, I have been up all night, so maybe I am missing something, but where in there did you make a logical argument for your original statement?

You said:

that's why you don't hire someone obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success. Shurmur wasn't a good hire in that respect.

That means (to me at least) that Shurmur was a bad hire for OC in your mind because he was "obviously looking to leave at the first hint of success." Now, OK, maybe he was, but who could have predicted that anyone with a rookie QB, a below average O-line, shitty WR corps, bad TE's, etc, could turn an offense around to the point that a GM (especially one with the prestige of Holmgren) would given them an Head Coaching job.

SO yeah, even if Spags had that commitment (which given his personality I am sure that he did), things change. I am sure he (Shurmur) viewed turning the O around as a multi year task that would not allow him to get a promotion for at least a few seasons, at which point he could maybe move up the coaching ranks. But, when you are a guy like Shurmur and someone offers you a HC job, you take it, because it 99.9% will not happen again. That is the same thing Brad Childress said, that he knew he had one shot to be a HC so he was going to do it his way. For all Shurmur knew he had one shot to be a HC and took it.

So, yeah, again, you are not making much sense with that argument of a "bad hire"...

It made perfect sense. Es[pecially in the context of drafting #1 OVERALL the best QB since Peyton Manning, etc. If continuity is a concern....and I'm not the one that brought it up.....you hire people that will allow you that continuity. In other words the patheticall INBRED world of NFL coaching as it is made up of now is not necessary and points more towards the comfy zone of the HC far more than it leads to true success. What pedigree did Martz have? What pedigree did Coryell have? So how about getting that commitment? or how about compensation? I don't care that Cleveland offered Shurmur the HC job. I'm pissed that if people really believe continuity is important that it shouldn't happen with no consequences.

And what pedigree did Shurmur have? I think it is just crazy to blame Spags for Shurmur leaving or say that he should have foresaw that happening. And if there should be consequences for him leaving, why should they fall on Spags. Again, given his personality I am sure Spags was convinced his coaching staff was set for years, but then Holmgren saw what most Rams fans did not, that Shurmur had done a good job with the tools given. If anything, Spags should be given MORE credit and trust for having the foresight and evaluation skills to hire a guy who performed well enough to get a HC job so early.

As far as the McDaniels hire, I am pretty sure you were not in favor of it, right? So, I give you credit there for not being a flip flopper like some. But, for most people, had Spags bypassed McDaniels for a no name OC (like Shurmur was) or even for someone like Brad Childress, people would have been ready to hang him from the arch. I remember how many people were seething at the mere thought that Spags might not hire McD. Honestly, I think that hiring was a sign that Spags knew he needed to step things up in the PR department to keep his seat from getting hot(ter?).