Jared Goff vs. pressure?

[Cydekikk]

"Los Angeles Rams
Where improvement is needed: Jared Goff's performance when under pressure from the defense.

Calculating my model's win percentages ahead of both Rams matchups projected overwhelming victories (well over 75 percent) in favor of the Rams in both games this season, by far the highest for any team. My models use metrics that are proven to be related to wins in the past and include things like personnel matchups, coaching tendencies and play trends -- the more they are fed with recent data, the better they perform. The tricky part about lopsided wins (33-13 over the Raiders in Week 1 and 34-0 over the Cardinals in Week 2 ... and Arizona has the fewest pressures in the league) is that strategy can be masked.

There are a lot of strong positive indicators for the Rams overall, but one situation to monitor is how Goff's passing production changes under pressure. So far this season, he has a 28.6 passer rating under pressure versus a 117.6 passer rating when not under pressure (last season: 61.6 vs 110.1). Think of -20 as how much the rating for top 10 QBs changes on the routes Goff has been targeting. Three of the Rams' next four opponents (Chargers, Vikings and Broncos) have upper-end ability to get in the face of opposing quarterbacks and should reveal how Sean McVay is going to evolve when it comes to play-calling and using Goff this season. Relying on Todd Gurley to overcome pressures is efficient ... until it is not. Relying on Gurley and being able to make plays via the pass under pressure would project the Rams into the playoffs and beyond with this defense."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ed-goff-vs-pressure-a-hurdle-for-each-20-team

Thoughts?...

 

[Stl2La]

"Los Angeles Rams
Where improvement is needed: Jared Goff's performance when under pressure from the defense.

Calculating my model's win percentages ahead of both Rams matchups projected overwhelming victories (well over 75 percent) in favor of the Rams in both games this season, by far the highest for any team. My models use metrics that are proven to be related to wins in the past and include things like personnel matchups, coaching tendencies and play trends -- the more they are fed with recent data, the better they perform. The tricky part about lopsided wins (33-13 over the Raiders in Week 1 and 34-0 over the Cardinals in Week 2 ... and Arizona has the fewest pressures in the league) is that strategy can be masked.

There are a lot of strong positive indicators for the Rams overall, but one situation to monitor is how Goff's passing production changes under pressure. So far this season, he has a 28.6 passer rating under pressure versus a 117.6 passer rating when not under pressure (last season: 61.6 vs 110.1). Think of -20 as how much the rating for top 10 QBs changes on the routes Goff has been targeting. Three of the Rams' next four opponents (Chargers, Vikings and Broncos) have upper-end ability to get in the face of opposing quarterbacks and should reveal how Sean McVay is going to evolve when it comes to play-calling and using Goff this season. Relying on Todd Gurley to overcome pressures is efficient ... until it is not. Relying on Gurley and being able to make plays via the pass under pressure would project the Rams into the playoffs and beyond with this defense."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ed-goff-vs-pressure-a-hurdle-for-each-20-team

Thoughts?...

Lol he’s been pressured like 5 times in the 2 games total and threw 1 pick. Talk about a small sample size.

 

[FaulkSF]

I wouldn't even rely on this data. When he faces pressure he throws the ball away. If he sees a good opportunity he'll make the pass.

I also think if he senses a blitz he's going to dump off (wr screen or quick slant). In other words he dumps it before pressure gets there. Credit him and McV.

The author is really reaching on this. But give credit where it's due, Peterson played like he deserved to be a pro bowler and he does belong.

 

[Cydekikk]

I wouldn't even rely on this data. When he faces pressure he throws the ball away. If he sees a good opportunity he'll make the pass.

I also think if he senses a blitz he's going to dump off (wr screen or quick slant). In other words he dumps it before pressure gets there. Credit him and McV...........

That's pretty much been my observation as well... But I do think the author raises a valid point about our next 3 opponents and their ability to get after the QB, so we shall see.

 

[OldSchool]

I'd dispute those numbers after this from last week.


View: https://twitter.com/JB_Long/status/1042608000446300160

 

[Cydekikk]

I'd dispute those numbers after this from last week.


View: https://twitter.com/JB_Long/status/1042608000446300160

Honestly, I'm more concerned about how Goff will respond after he's hit a few times, and/or when he's throwing on the run... I hope he proves my concerns unwarranted.

 

[RamFan503]

Thoughts?...

I suspect Jared could really improve these numbers by baling out unnecessarily any time he sees his shadow. I'm just not buying how they get their numbers and suspect this is a case of lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics. You can derive any kind of statistic you want by simply tweaking the type of input you include. I'm going to guess there are some pretty bad QBs with better "passer ratings under pressure". How many of these pressures didn't enter into their data because Jared simply sidestepped or stepped up rather than run around like a scared bunny.

 

[RamFan503]

Honestly, I'm more concerned about how Goff will respond after he's hit a few times, and/or when he's throwing on the run... I hope he proves my concerns unwarranted.

IMO - he needs to improve on his ability to throw on the run but I have almost no concerns about his being shaken because he gets hit a few times.... been there, done that. Now if he is constantly under pressure, that is an environment within which very few QBs succeed. It's not just by accident that McVay placed a lot of attention on immediately building our O-line and making it probably our #1 priority.

 

[RocknRam29]

Run the "Kill Kurt'' drill

 

[OldSchool]

Honestly, I'm more concerned about how Goff will respond after he's hit a few times, and/or when he's throwing on the run... I hope he proves my concerns unwarranted.

He's done nothing this year or last to make you worried about it. If anything he's proven many times he will stand there with somebody about to hit him and deliver a bullet. I can understand criticism of our guy but this to me has no basis.

 

[Stl2La]

Honestly, I'm more concerned about how Goff will respond after he's hit a few times, and/or when he's throwing on the run... I hope he proves my concerns unwarranted.

He was drilled vs az and stood in the pocket and delivered a beauty despite the guy being right in his face with a head of steam.

 

[jrry32]

That's total bullshit. There's no way he has that low of a passer rating with the passes he completed under pressure against Arizona. Perfect example:
https://www.therams.com/video/jared-goff-hits-brandin-cooks-in-stride-for-24-yards

Oh look, here's another:
https://www.therams.com/video/robert-woods-leaps-for-21-yard-catch

 

[Adi]

Jared is making this look too easy

 

[kurtfaulk]

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Fucking yawn.

Goff looked like a stud out there. They can shove their model up their arse the fuckwits.

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[RamFan503]

Could also be that Goff just looks like the kid next door. He really does. And he seems like the nice boy you’d want your daughter to date. He just HAS to be soft.

Well no one, I mean NO ONE takes hits like he did at Cal and in his first few games with us and pops up if they’re soft. This kid is 23 freaking years old... 23! I’m good with him as our guy.

 

[SteezyEndo]

Thought this was a David Bowie vs. Jared Goff “Under Pressure” thread. Click bait...

Joke aside.

I get a little edgy with ball security at times when we as spectators seeing the whole situation unfold I find myself yelling hold the ball their coming for you! I do think his situational awareness is getting better though. I want it to get to the point where I don’t worry...

 

[majrleaged]

I'd dispute those numbers after this from last week.


View: https://twitter.com/JB_Long/status/1042608000446300160

In the cards game alone I saw 3 or pressures that resulted in darts for completions into small windows. I think determining pressures seems to be subjective as well.

 

[Sleepy1711]

Seriously, people write about this bill carp?

 

[Loyal]

Yeah, this guy Cole Thompson who Jake interviewed, said that Goff had a chance to prove he's not a game manager this weekend....What a grade A @sshole...The hate these bastids have for Jared is just over the top, with passive aggressive slams like this.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Yeah, this guy Cole Thompson who Jake interviewed, said that Goff had a chance to prove he's not a game manager this weekend....What a grade A icehole...The hate these bastids have for Jared is just over the top, with passive aggressive slams like this.

Haha, is that what that fuckwit said.

I was saying to @Mackeyser in the other Goff thread that because he makes the right read, right throw, subtly evades pressure in the pocket and makes it look all so easy people would say he's just a game manager. And then this fuckwit says exactly that.

Why do braindead morons have access to media outlets?

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