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Is Jeff Fisher Still Capable of Being a Winning Coach?

Posted by: Randy Karraker in National Football League August 24, 2015

http://www.101sports.com/2015/08/24/is-jeff-fisher-still-capable-of-being-a-winning-coach/

As Jeff Fisher enters his fourth season with the Rams, time to succeed is starting to get away from him. While owner Stan Kroenke is all in on his coach, that doesn’t mean Fisher’s term will result in success.
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Fisher is 20-27-1 since joining the Rams in 2012.

In the last three NFL seasons, six teams have made the playoffs with coaches working for their second team; the Seahawks with Pete Carroll, the Lions with Jim Caldwell, the Broncos (now Bears) with John Fox, the Patriots with Bill Belichick, the Chiefs with Andy Reid, and the (now former) Redskins with Mike Shanahan.

Each of those head coaches made the playoffs by the third year of their second (or third, in Shanahan’s case) stop.

Carroll, Caldwell, Fox and Reid all made the playoffs in their first year with their new teams.

Meanwhile, since 2010, there has been only one coach to get more time with his franchise than Fisher that was able to reach the playoffs; Gary Kubiak of the Texans in his sixth year there, 2011.

Every other coach that’s made the playoffs in the last five seasons did so in his first three years with the franchise.

This shows me that if you know how to coach and have success, it doesn’t necessarily matter where you are. You implement a program and win with it in your first three seasons.

Interestingly, in those same five years, Detroit, Indianapolis, Kansas City and Philadelphia have made the playoffs under two different head coaches…the Lions under Jim Schwartz and Jim Caldwell, the Colts under Caldwell and Chuck Pagano, the Chiefs under Todd Haley and Andy Reid, and the Eagles under Reid and Chip Kelly. This tells me that part of success occurs above the head coach.

I’ve always thought that an NFL head coach is essentially a CEO. His overarching jobs are to implement a philosophy for his assistant coaches, and then to instill effort and discipline. Of course, on game day he makes the key decisions, but Monday through Saturday, he doesn’t necessarily have to be an X’s and O’s guy as much as an overseer.

Discipline, by the way, includes holding on to the football, taking the football away, and staying away from penalties, especially those that occur outside of the whistles.

For the patience that Kroenke has shown with Fisher, who admittedly took over a catastrophe, the improvement hasn’t mirrored that of his peers in the industry.

In three seasons under Fisher, the Rams have yet to reach the .500 mark.

The offense has ranked 23rd, 30th and 28th. Yes, they’ve had quarterback issues. But this is an administration that came in saying it would adapt to the talent on hand in it’s first year, then hoped to become a passing team with Sam Bradford protected by a veteran offensive line and throwing it around to Tavon Austin, Chris Givens and Jared Cook in it’s second.
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Sam Bradford played in only 49 games over five seasons with the Rams.

That high-priced experiment ended after four games in 2013, and the philosophy switched to a run-first approach. In 2014, with Bradford injured, the Rams still had trouble finding an identity; ranking 20th in rushing and 23rd in passing.

Yes, there were injuries to the quarterback and on the offensive line, but the players counted on had been injured the year before as well. Bradford, Jake Long, Roger Saffold and Scott Wells had all been banged up and missed time in the previous two seasons. There wasn’t much reason to believe that as they got older, they’d get healthier.

On defense, perhaps through no fault of his own, Fisher went through three defensive coordinators in three seasons.

And the league rankings reflected the instability, dropping from 14th to 15th to 17th in the three seasons.

And the things I look at haven’t improved much, either.

Fisher is a player’s coach who gets his guys to play hard, but the desire to be a physical, pounding offense didn’t mesh with last year’s older, injury-prone offensive line. I don’t question the effort of his players, but I do question their ability to stay healthy. It’s hard enough for young players to stay healthy, but the Rams had three older offensive linemen last year, and committed to a physical, run first approach. That doesn’t seem to be a way to keep players healthy.

Philosophically, in a league that still rewards teams that run the ball (of the top eleven teams in run vs. pass ratio last year, six made the playoffs), it would seem important to have a younger, less injury prone line.

This year, the Rams took four offensive linemen in the draft in an effort to reinvent themselves up front. They could have tried that last year, but instead took QB Garrett Gilbert, project T Mitchell Van Dyk, DB C.B. Bryant, and DE Michael Sam with four straight picks on the last day of the draft. Three of those didn’t make the team last year, and the fourth, Bryant, likely won’t ever play a down for the Rams.

Meanwhile, after the Rams took Gilbert and Van Dyk, the Bills took tackle and sixteen game starter Seantrel Henderson, and the Bears took Charles Leno, who started a game last year and is having a good camp this pre-season as their number two left tackle.

In terms of penalties, according to nflpenalties.com, the Rams have led the NFL in unsportsmanlike conduct penalties with five in each of the last two seasons. They were second in the NFL with ten unnecessary roughness penalties last year, and second with five roughing the passer penalties. Again, it’s great to be physical and tough, but those penalties of fifteen yards are devastating, as we saw again in Sunday night’s loss to Tennessee, when Robert Quinn’s roughing the passer turned a 3rd and 7 at the Rams 22 into a 1st and 10 at the 12, leading to a Titans field goal.

It’s great to hear Fisher say the team needs to cut down on penalties, but actions speak louder than words.

Last year’s Rams finished minus-2 in turnover ratio. Only one team that finished negative in the plus/minus made the playoffs…Indianapolis at minus-5. The other eleven playoff teams finished even or ahead in turnover ratio. In Fisher’s three seasons they’ve been minus-1, plus-8 and minus-2. They need to be consistently better in that department to be a playoff team.

Interestingly, in recent years Caldwell took the Lions from -12 to +7 and Reid took the Chiefs from -24 to +18 in their first years. This was a consistent trait of teams coached by Bill Parcells and Marty Schottenheimer.

Again, in a microcosm, the Rams didn’t have a takeaway on Sunday night, but Nick Foles did throw a pick-six interception, and St. Louis lost. A focus on protecting and taking away the ball can result in a better ratio, and more wins.

Fisher has been a great NFL coach. But with the rules and philosophy changes in the league, he has yet to adjust. This will be an interesting season for Rams.

Can he make the move, or has the game passed him by?
 

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I believe Fisher is a good talent evaluator. Especially on defense. But I also believe the game has passed him by. Today's NFL rewards passing offense more than running offenses. And hard hitting defenses will get penalized more.

I understand that 3 of the final four teams from last year's playoffs were the most penalized teams. But we're not good enough on offense to overcome those penalties. We're a 20 ppg offense, IMO. And the way we've looked so far, that 20 points will be a struggle in quite a few games. The defense has to be dominant from the start and stay dominant for 16 games. Poor tacking is not a trait of a dominant defense.
 

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I'm a big Jeff Fisher fan, but bottom line he has to win this year.
 

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People forget how bad this team was. 7 Players remain from the squad Fish took over in 2012. He essentially had to build a whole football team. At this point we have a young talented team, we just need the switch to turn on. Bradford's and some other key player's injuries really hurt our progress.
 

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Of the coaches he compares Fisher to, I think they all had more talent on-board when the took their gigs. So, I think Fisher has done a great job of taking this franchise from its dyfunctional past to a functional present. But I also think it's going to take a new regime to get us to the next level.
 

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Of the coaches he compares Fisher to, I think they all had more talent on-board when the took their gigs. So, I think Fisher has done a great job of taking this franchise from its dyfunctional past to a functional present. But I also think it's going to take a new regime to get us to the next level.
The Seahawks had just as much roster turnover as the Rams and have been to two SBs in four seasons under Carrol. Fisher also had MUCH more to work with in the drafts with that historic trade and also being at the top multiple times.
 

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The Seahawks had just as much roster turnover as the Rams and have been to two SBs in four seasons under Carrol. Fisher also had MUCH more to work with in the drafts with that historic trade and also being at the top multiple times.
We went 15-65 the five years before Fisher was hired. That's expansion team level bad. He has built the roster up pretty well. He is a solid in game coach. He is respected in the lockerroom. He has to win in year 4 though. 6-10 or 7-9 won't cut it. The division isn't as good as it was the last 3 years with the 49ers losing everybody and the Cardinals getting older. This team has to be a winning team in 2015 or Fisher's job needs to be in question.
 

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He should be in the front office not on the field. He has helped acquire the talent with Snead but he gets an F- for coaching IMO.
 

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We went 15-65 the five years before Fisher was hired. That's expansion team level bad. He has built the roster up pretty well. He is a solid in game coach. He is respected in the lockerroom. He has to win in year 4 though. 6-10 or 7-9 won't cut it. The division isn't as good as it was the last 3 years with the 49ers losing everybody and the Cardinals getting older. This team has to be a winning team in 2015 or Fisher's job needs to be in question.

This is the truth from on high amongst reacitionary bullshit that I've seen over the least 2 days. If we aren't a winning team this year(with or without playoffs) we need to look elsewhere for coaching, because the talent is already fucking here.
 

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People forget how bad this team was. 7 Players remain from the squad Fish took over in 2012. He essentially had to build a whole football team. At this point we have a young talented team, we just need the switch to turn on. Bradford's and some other key player's injuries really hurt our progress.
We were on the verge of being what you might call an expansion team. It was bad.......BAAAAAD.:cry:
 

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Since Fisher arrived,
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Bradford 10-13-1
Clemens 4-5
Davis 3-5
Hill 3-5

If Foles is the real deal we'll be fine. If not? Fisher is fucked.

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Is Jeff Fisher Still Capable of Being a Winning Coach?

Posted by: Randy Karraker in National Football League August 24, 2015

http://www.101sports.com/2015/08/24/is-jeff-fisher-still-capable-of-being-a-winning-coach/

As Jeff Fisher enters his fourth season with the Rams, time to succeed is starting to get away from him. While owner Stan Kroenke is all in on his coach, that doesn’t mean Fisher’s term will result in success.
jeff fisher-7

Fisher is 20-27-1 since joining the Rams in 2012.

In the last three NFL seasons, six teams have made the playoffs with coaches working for their second team; the Seahawks with Pete Carroll, the Lions with Jim Caldwell, the Broncos (now Bears) with John Fox, the Patriots with Bill Belichick, the Chiefs with Andy Reid, and the (now former) Redskins with Mike Shanahan.

Each of those head coaches made the playoffs by the third year of their second (or third, in Shanahan’s case) stop.

Carroll, Caldwell, Fox and Reid all made the playoffs in their first year with their new teams.

Meanwhile, since 2010, there has been only one coach to get more time with his franchise than Fisher that was able to reach the playoffs; Gary Kubiak of the Texans in his sixth year there, 2011.

Every other coach that’s made the playoffs in the last five seasons did so in his first three years with the franchise.

This shows me that if you know how to coach and have success, it doesn’t necessarily matter where you are. You implement a program and win with it in your first three seasons.

Interestingly, in those same five years, Detroit, Indianapolis, Kansas City and Philadelphia have made the playoffs under two different head coaches…the Lions under Jim Schwartz and Jim Caldwell, the Colts under Caldwell and Chuck Pagano, the Chiefs under Todd Haley and Andy Reid, and the Eagles under Reid and Chip Kelly. This tells me that part of success occurs above the head coach.

I’ve always thought that an NFL head coach is essentially a CEO. His overarching jobs are to implement a philosophy for his assistant coaches, and then to instill effort and discipline. Of course, on game day he makes the key decisions, but Monday through Saturday, he doesn’t necessarily have to be an X’s and O’s guy as much as an overseer.

Discipline, by the way, includes holding on to the football, taking the football away, and staying away from penalties, especially those that occur outside of the whistles.

For the patience that Kroenke has shown with Fisher, who admittedly took over a catastrophe, the improvement hasn’t mirrored that of his peers in the industry.

In three seasons under Fisher, the Rams have yet to reach the .500 mark.

The offense has ranked 23rd, 30th and 28th. Yes, they’ve had quarterback issues. But this is an administration that came in saying it would adapt to the talent on hand in it’s first year, then hoped to become a passing team with Sam Bradford protected by a veteran offensive line and throwing it around to Tavon Austin, Chris Givens and Jared Cook in it’s second.
sam bradford-2

Sam Bradford played in only 49 games over five seasons with the Rams.

That high-priced experiment ended after four games in 2013, and the philosophy switched to a run-first approach. In 2014, with Bradford injured, the Rams still had trouble finding an identity; ranking 20th in rushing and 23rd in passing.

Yes, there were injuries to the quarterback and on the offensive line, but the players counted on had been injured the year before as well. Bradford, Jake Long, Roger Saffold and Scott Wells had all been banged up and missed time in the previous two seasons. There wasn’t much reason to believe that as they got older, they’d get healthier.

On defense, perhaps through no fault of his own, Fisher went through three defensive coordinators in three seasons.

And the league rankings reflected the instability, dropping from 14th to 15th to 17th in the three seasons.

And the things I look at haven’t improved much, either.

Fisher is a player’s coach who gets his guys to play hard, but the desire to be a physical, pounding offense didn’t mesh with last year’s older, injury-prone offensive line. I don’t question the effort of his players, but I do question their ability to stay healthy. It’s hard enough for young players to stay healthy, but the Rams had three older offensive linemen last year, and committed to a physical, run first approach. That doesn’t seem to be a way to keep players healthy.

Philosophically, in a league that still rewards teams that run the ball (of the top eleven teams in run vs. pass ratio last year, six made the playoffs), it would seem important to have a younger, less injury prone line.

This year, the Rams took four offensive linemen in the draft in an effort to reinvent themselves up front. They could have tried that last year, but instead took QB Garrett Gilbert, project T Mitchell Van Dyk, DB C.B. Bryant, and DE Michael Sam with four straight picks on the last day of the draft. Three of those didn’t make the team last year, and the fourth, Bryant, likely won’t ever play a down for the Rams.

Meanwhile, after the Rams took Gilbert and Van Dyk, the Bills took tackle and sixteen game starter Seantrel Henderson, and the Bears took Charles Leno, who started a game last year and is having a good camp this pre-season as their number two left tackle.

In terms of penalties, according to nflpenalties.com, the Rams have led the NFL in unsportsmanlike conduct penalties with five in each of the last two seasons. They were second in the NFL with ten unnecessary roughness penalties last year, and second with five roughing the passer penalties. Again, it’s great to be physical and tough, but those penalties of fifteen yards are devastating, as we saw again in Sunday night’s loss to Tennessee, when Robert Quinn’s roughing the passer turned a 3rd and 7 at the Rams 22 into a 1st and 10 at the 12, leading to a Titans field goal.

It’s great to hear Fisher say the team needs to cut down on penalties, but actions speak louder than words.

Last year’s Rams finished minus-2 in turnover ratio. Only one team that finished negative in the plus/minus made the playoffs…Indianapolis at minus-5. The other eleven playoff teams finished even or ahead in turnover ratio. In Fisher’s three seasons they’ve been minus-1, plus-8 and minus-2. They need to be consistently better in that department to be a playoff team.

Interestingly, in recent years Caldwell took the Lions from -12 to +7 and Reid took the Chiefs from -24 to +18 in their first years. This was a consistent trait of teams coached by Bill Parcells and Marty Schottenheimer.

Again, in a microcosm, the Rams didn’t have a takeaway on Sunday night, but Nick Foles did throw a pick-six interception, and St. Louis lost. A focus on protecting and taking away the ball can result in a better ratio, and more wins.

Fisher has been a great NFL coach. But with the rules and philosophy changes in the league, he has yet to adjust. This will be an interesting season for Rams.

Can he make the move, or has the game passed him by?

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Would everything thing be puppy dogs and rainbows if they were preseason champions?
 

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Would everything thing be puppy dogs and rainbows if they were preseason champions?

No I think it would still be puppy dogs and rainbows leftover from the draft if the starters would have played well.
 

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Would everything thing be puppy dogs and rainbows if they were preseason champions?
Actually, I'd be more than happy if they could just execute. You know, stop the other team when on defense, and get first downs on offense. That's be cool :)
 

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We look bad in preseason and the sky is falling....
then BAM! we'll look like a completely different team in the next game...because that's what we've done in preseason every year since Fisher got here.
 

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I will always advocate allowing a coach the time to prove whether or not he is the right man. The NFL is littered with franchises that consistently fail and, while I don't have the facts to prove it, I would guess that those same franchises have a relatively high turnover of coaching staff.

Fisher inherited an historically bad team when he took over and he's had to deal with QB issues over the last 2 seasons that no other team has had to deal with so there are mitigating factors.

BUT... he doesn't have any more excuses in my mind. He's got himself a starting QB that doesn't have knees made from weetabix and he's assembled some great young talent especially on the defence which should be pushing for top 5 status. This team needs to finish with a winning record this season otherwise he needs to go.