How will new CBA impact Ramsey/Kupp deals?

[CGI_Ram]

This is going to take some figuring out. How to best navigate this season and the next few cap years as a result?

Could all teams be scrambling just to retain own players, next year?

How does that impact FA? Dollars available would seem to keep spending down, contracts lower?

Would teams could get creative, punt 2020, and come out better for 2021 and beyond?

Strategy... strategy.... strategy....

NFL, NFLPA agree to revised CBA: Salary cap details, training camp timeline, roster size and more to know

Everything you need to know about the league's plan to kick off the 2020 season

www.cbssports.com

Salary cap impact

Reportedly one of the biggest final hurdles for the NFL and NFLPA in talks for a revised CBA, the economics of the 2020 season boil down to this: This year's cap ($198.2M for each team) will remain untouched, but in order to make up for the projected loss of revenue throughout the season, the NFL would spread the financial shortfall over four years beginning in 2021.

As part of the agreement, the 2021 salary cap floor will be set at a minimum of $175 million, up from the initial $165 million, marking a potentially stark drop from the projected 2021 cap of about $210 million. This means that while 2020 rosters figure to remain largely intact, teams could be forced to either cut or renegotiate with veterans carrying high cap numbers beginning in 2021.

One key point for 2020: if games are canceled, players won't get paid for those games, according to reports, but NFL Network's Ian Rapaport reports any unpaid 2020 base salary becomes guaranteed the following year. As long as players are on the roster on Week 1, 2020 will count as an accrued season on their contracts even if games are canceled down the road.

 

[oldnotdead]

That $175M is the floor figure, i.e. the least it will be depending upon how much their losses really are. IMO it's probably going to end up between $180-185M if they actually play a full 16 game season with a Super Bowl with attendance. With the progress of the vaccines, there might be some limited attendance providing fans provide proof of vaccination i.e. like a card.

Now factor in releasing guys and not resigning guys like, Whitworth, Havenstein, and Brockers which would clear about $16M. The Rams already have their replacements in Noteboom, Edwards, and Lewis. Now if the estimates are correct and I see no reason to doubt them the Ram's will begin the new season in 2021 at a cap of $165M. So they will have about $30M (allowing for the rookie pool) in free cap if the cap is $185M. Then they can get creative and kick the cans down the road and sign guys to cap friendly extension backloaded with greater guaranteed money. Considering all the teams will be experiencing the same issues, these guys basically would have to accept or risk going unsigned and signing for less to join a team less likely to be a contender.

Teams like KC are in worse shape than the Rams. Right now even before Mahomes' new contract kicks in next year they have no cap space. They could lose talent because of it as it's clear they assumed the cap would rise not to fall.

It's simply too early to tell how it's all going to shake out. IMO a lot will depend upon how much the advertising traffic will bear for the Super Bowl. They might have to come down a bit on the pricing but perhaps not since it's a world event. They might not get everyone signed but the majority probably will get done. Kupp, Ramsey, Floyd, and Robinson are probably the most important ones. Goff and AD might have to restructure but I don't see a problem there either. After 2021 they will gain back another $8.8M in cap as Gurley's dead cap will be gone.

Just bear in mind that with the cap there are a lot of moving parts so as we saw this year there are ways to get it done.

 

[Ram65]

As part of the agreement, the 2021 salary cap floor will be set at a minimum of $175 million, up from the initial $165 million, marking a potentially stark drop from the projected 2021 cap of about $210 million. This means that while 2020 rosters figure to remain largely intact, teams could be forced to either cut or renegotiate with veterans carrying high cap numbers beginning in 2021.

I don't see how they can do it at $175 Million. This is 2021 as of today. I know it's fluid but I don't see it being fair to many teams. They should try to keep it at this year's cap and take the hit over a few years.

2021 NFL Team Salary Cap Tracker

A real-time look at the 2021 salary cap totals for each NFL team, including estimated cap space.

www.spotrac.com

RANK	TEAM	SIGNED	AVG AGE	ACTIVE	DEAD	TOP 51 CAP	CAP SPACE (TOP 51)	TOTAL CAP	CAP SPACE (ALL)
1	Indianapolis Colts	45	25.2	$102,759,530	-	$102,759,530	$72,240,470	$102,759,530	$72,240,470
2	Los Angeles Chargers	49	25.23	$115,451,625	-	$115,451,625	$61,981,376	$115,451,625	$61,981,376
3	New England Patriots	55	25.87	$126,024,061	-	$122,904,061	$52,095,939	$126,024,061	$48,975,939
4	Jacksonville Jaguars	58	24.79	$131,053,584	-	$125,698,584	$49,301,416	$131,053,584	$43,946,416
5	Cincinnati Bengals	46	25.3	$137,132,082	-	$137,132,082	$42,107,798	$137,132,082	$42,107,798
6	Seattle Seahawks	53	25.43	$145,958,626	-	$145,958,626	$29,041,374	$145,958,626	$29,041,374
7	Washington Football Team	52	25.7	$153,432,632	-	$152,652,632	$28,011,562	$153,432,632	$27,231,562
8	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	52	25.7	$158,660,068	-	$158,660,068	$16,339,932	$158,660,068	$16,339,932
9	Arizona Cardinals	52	25.34	$159,298,813	$2,000	$158,520,813	$16,479,187	$159,300,813	$15,699,187
10	Baltimore Ravens	62	25.52	$160,217,508	-	$151,637,508	$23,362,492	$160,217,508	$14,782,492
11	New York Giants	62	25.23	$165,642,378	-	$163,302,378	$11,697,622	$165,642,378	$9,357,622
12	Miami Dolphins	55	25	$170,252,821	$10,000	$167,247,821	$10,790,082	$170,262,821	$7,775,082
13	New York Jets	51	25.52	$160,334,372	$8,000,000	$168,334,372	$6,665,628	$168,334,372	$6,665,628
14	Carolina Panthers	52	25.58	$171,029,983	-	$170,249,983	$4,750,017	$171,029,983	$3,970,017
15	Detroit Lions	45	25.77	$171,898,576	-	$171,898,576	$3,101,424	$171,898,576	$3,101,424
16	Denver Broncos	57	25.43	$172,263,539	-	$167,583,539	$7,416,461	$172,263,539	$2,736,461
17	San Francisco 49ers	54	26.32	$170,426,423	$2,000,000	$170,866,423	$4,133,577	$172,426,423	$2,573,577
18	Los Angeles Rams	67	25.18	$164,972,567	$8,400,000	$167,912,567	$7,087,433	$173,372,567	$1,627,433
19	Cleveland Browns	58	25.5	$193,515,996	-	$188,055,996	$187,466	$193,515,996	$-5,272,534
20	Tennessee Titans	55	26.15	$183,142,936	-	$181,582,936	$-3,936,049	$183,142,936	$-5,496,049
21	Dallas Cowboys	61	25.88	$181,059,711	-	$175,599,711	$-599,711	$181,059,711	$-6,059,711
22	Las Vegas Raiders	47	25.95	$184,261,460	-	$184,261,460	$-9,261,460	$184,261,460	$-9,261,460
23	Green Bay Packers	55	25.69	$185,065,799	-	$182,050,799	$-7,050,799	$185,065,799	$-10,065,799
24	Buffalo Bills	61	26.25	$185,324,005	-	$177,554,005	$-2,554,005	$185,324,005	$-10,324,005
25	Pittsburgh Steelers	44	26.3	$188,648,618	-	$188,648,618	$-13,648,618	$188,648,618	$-13,648,618
26	Chicago Bears	43	26.71	$191,472,857	$1,750,000	$193,222,857	$-18,222,857	$193,222,857	$-18,222,857
27	Minnesota Vikings	59	25.52	$196,629,290	-	$190,389,290	$-15,389,290	$196,629,290	$-21,629,290
28	Houston Texans	58	26.34	$199,781,577	-	$194,426,577	$-19,426,577	$199,781,577	$-24,781,577
29	Kansas City Chiefs	52	25.83	$203,632,506	$4,001,668	$206,854,174	$-31,854,174	$207,634,174	$-32,634,174
30	Atlanta Falcons	52	26.25	$218,266,856	$5,800,000	$223,286,856	$-48,286,856	$224,066,856	$-49,066,856
31	New Orleans Saints	54	26.85	$245,633,603	-	$245,633,603	$-70,633,603	$245,633,603	$-70,633,603
32	Philadelphia Eagles	58	26.08	$273,480,472	-	$268,020,472	$-93,020,472	$273,480,472	$-98,480,472

 

[Merlin]

Seems like the NFL is one negative thing after another nowadays. Stupid rule changes, stupid politics, more commercials, the uniform change, roster reductions due to covid, cap reductions ahead, undoubtedly more stupid rules changes ahead too. it's getting fucking old.

Or maybe I am.

 

[PhillyRam]

That $175M is the floor figure, i.e. the least it will be depending upon how much their losses really are. IMO it's probably going to end up between $180-185M if they actually play a full 16 game season with a Super Bowl with attendance. With the progress of the vaccines, there might be some limited attendance providing fans provide proof of vaccination i.e. like a card.

Now factor in releasing guys and not resigning guys like, Whitworth, Havenstein, and Brockers which would clear about $16M. The Rams already have their replacements in Noteboom, Edwards, and Lewis. Now if the estimates are correct and I see no reason to doubt them the Ram's will begin the new season in 2021 at a cap of $165M. So they will have about $30M (allowing for the rookie pool) in free cap if the cap is $185M. Then they can get creative and kick the cans down the road and sign guys to cap friendly extension backloaded with greater guaranteed money. Considering all the teams will be experiencing the same issues, these guys basically would have to accept or risk going unsigned and signing for less to join a team less likely to be a contender.

Teams like KC are in worse shape than the Rams. Right now even before Mahomes' new contract kicks in next year they have no cap space. They could lose talent because of it as it's clear they assumed the cap would rise not to fall.

It's simply too early to tell how it's all going to shake out. IMO a lot will depend upon how much the advertising traffic will bear for the Super Bowl. They might have to come down a bit on the pricing but perhaps not since it's a world event. They might not get everyone signed but the majority probably will get done. Kupp, Ramsey, Floyd, and Robinson are probably the most important ones. Goff and AD might have to restructure but I don't see a problem there either. After 2021 they will gain back another $8.8M in cap as Gurley's dead cap will be gone.

Just bear in mind that with the cap there are a lot of moving parts so as we saw this year there are ways to get it done.

The Eagles were $51M over for next yr without the new lower cap... And they don't have a lot of deals to restructure because they have been doing that in recent yrs with a number of guys.

 

[dieterbrock]

I don't see how they can do it at $175 Million

Thats only the floor, the Cap hasnt been worked out yet

 

[NoCoNite]

Can’t overpay Kupp but I’d rather keep Kupp over Ramsey

 

[OldSchool]

Much ado about nothing so far. This is the lowest figure the cap can be at for 2020. When they figure out revenues for this current league year they'll have a better idea of what the 2021 cap is going to be. Much ado about nothing don't worry move on have a nice day would you like fries with that or a cherry on top?

 

[kurtfaulk]

Or maybe I am.

well you seem to be complaining more about things.

have you told any kids to get off your lawn yet?

.

 

[OldSchool]

well you seem to be complaining more about things.

have you told any kids to get off your lawn yet?

.

I think it's a lack of fiber in his diet.

 

[Checkmate]

Can’t overpay Kupp but I’d rather keep Kupp over Ramsey

I'm sorry...I know that is your opinion and you are entitled to it...but it is so much harder finding an elite CB than an elite wr. I am keeping Ramsey over Kupp 10 times out of 10. But I think Rams can keep both. I think the cap news is worse for Jon Johnson chances of being resigned. Rams have never paid high prices for safeties.

 

[MachS]

Can’t overpay Kupp but I’d rather keep Kupp over Ramsey

Give up 2 first rounders and not pay him? Uh definitely not. If that happens Les needs to be fired for all the cap and roster mismanagement the past two years. The Cooks, Goff, and Gurley contracts might have been enough on their own for him to lose his job. We just drafted another 2nd round WR. I love Kupp obviously we all do, but JJ and Everett are already gone next year. And if push comes to shove I dont think we can pay Kupp over Ramsey, it would just be back breaking.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I think it's a lack of fiber in his diet.

yeah, i guess you do get irritable if your bowel movement isn't regular.

.

 

[Gandalf]

If you can't sign them next year, see what you can get for them this year. Try to load up on some picks and get the cap in good shape with low cost talent.

 

[CGI_Ram]

We are in better shape than some teams (11 teams in worse shape).

NFL Asks for $175M 2021 Salary Cap | Over the Cap

NFL Asks for $175M 2021 Salary Cap | Over the Cap

overthecap.com

Team	Est Cap Space @ $175M
Colts	$91,063,223
Chargers	$73,768,409
Washington	$66,629,304
Jaguars	$63,695,889
Patriots	$59,145,196
Bengals	$55,780,368
Seahawks	$39,203,489
Ravens	$30,998,287
Browns	$29,143,720
Broncos	$29,077,049
Dolphins	$28,867,129
Jets	$28,861,108
Giants	$24,025,753
Buccaneers	$22,773,456
Cardinals	$22,614,826
Lions	$18,141,279
49ers	$16,919,190
Titans	$15,881,092
Bills	$15,540,556
Panthers	$9,371,349
Rams	$8,105,006
Packers	$4,801,285
Cowboys	$2,842,430
Texans	$160,680
Vikings	($4,557,579)
Raiders	($9,813,777)
Bears	($10,482,663)
Steelers	($15,829,828)
Chiefs	($25,708,490)
Falcons	($39,081,353)
Saints	($66,067,833)
Eagles	($71,538,722)

 

[PhillyRam]

Those teams with 70M or more of cap room could get very good very quick as so many teams would have a difficult time being a factor in FA.

They could load up with 4 or 5 big time players as other teams not only could not sign FAs, but will be cutting guys.

Look at the Eagles... Lol!!!

 

[dieterbrock]

It’s business as usual.
There is a potential for a 1 year drop, which also sets up for major recalibration spike the year after.
The 175 number is not the cap

 

[Ram65]

It’s business as usual.
There is a potential for a 1 year drop, which also sets up for major recalibration spike the year after.
The 175 number is not the cap

However, it could be the cap number.

 

[dieterbrock]

However, it could be the cap number.

It really can’t. That’s the lowest number it can be, however they’ll be able to write off carry over in to future seasons.

 

[Ram65]

It really can’t. That’s the lowest number it can be, however they’ll be able to write off carry over in to future seasons.

I don't understand. Can you elaborate?