Gurley '16?

[AZRams]

Just saw this stat for the year so far: YPC average a respectable 4.47.

So why so ineffective? Just not enough carries?

Is the O-line ineffective, a-la 2016?

 

[nighttrain]

savin him for later

 

[yrba1]

savin him for later

That and O-line regressed in run blocking imo. I just don't get why we at least utilize Brown/Henderson to see if that's the case or not. Also doesn't help that McVay has the mentality that less than 3-5 yards per down is considered a disappointment; I don't see anything wrong with that as long as we're moving the chains, it'll gradually tire defenses too if dominating TOP.

 

[AZRams]

That and O-line regressed in run blocking imo. I just don't get why we at least utilize Brown/Henderson to see if that's the case or not. Also doesn't help that McVay has the mentality that less than 3-5 yards per down is considered a disappointment; I don't see anything wrong with that as long as we're moving the chains, it'll gradually tire defenses too if dominating TOP.

Yep, there's runs you make not because you're gonna get 2 yards now but because you're gonna get 5 yards in the second half.

 

[Jacobarch]

I don't buy the crap that our Oline has regressed in the running game. So what we aren't getting 10 yard runs every time we run the ball. Running keeps a defense honest and eventually Gurely or Brown is going to pop a long one and the Defense will have to adjust and that's when you light them up.

It's really a simple concept, if you don't run the ball the defenses will make you pay. Even Manning Ran the ball when he was in a pass happy offense. You can't run the ball 5-10 times a game. You just can't. I Don't care who you are.

I think McVay is once again out coaching himself. He's worried about Gurelys workload. Well ok fine, you have two other capable running backs in the game, give them the ball and soften up that Defense.

Time after time everyone has diagnosed the problem in the media and for once I 100% agree with them. Playaction passing will not work unless you have an established running game. Which obviously we do not right now. Defenses are Tee'ing off on our Oline and Screen game because they aren't afraid of us running in between the tackles. What does that show you?

So, to all of you screaming for Goffs head, or it's all our Oline's fault. I can tell you this. IT's not. It's our coaches fault. He's calling the plays, he's setting the tone, and he's letting us know that he doesn't think we can run it AT ALL. Whether or not that's true, i don't know but you can't sit here and blame it all on Goff or our Oline, Any Oline or QB would collapse under this type of play calling. Even if we are down a couple scores we can't become one dimensional.

 

[UKram]

Because something is wrong with Gurley .. it’s as easy and simple as that .. I think Mcvay would rather have him out there rather than brown or Henderson get the carries because of the questions

Also we are facing loaded boxes the fabled and oh so talked about 6-1 front teams are asking us to throw so we “take what the defense gives us “

 

[Boston Ram]

I don't buy the crap that our Oline has regressed in the running game. So what we aren't getting 10 yard runs every time we run the ball. Running keeps a defense honest and eventually Gurely or Brown is going to pop a long one and the Defense will have to adjust and that's when you light them up.

It's really a simple concept, if you don't run the ball the defenses will make you pay. Even Manning Ran the ball when he was in a pass happy offense. You can't run the ball 5-10 times a game. You just can't. I Don't care who you are.

I think McVay is once again out coaching himself. He's worried about Gurelys workload. Well ok fine, you have two other capable running backs in the game, give them the ball and soften up that Defense.

Time after time everyone has diagnosed the problem in the media and for once I 100% agree with them. Playaction passing will not work unless you have an established running game. Which obviously we do not right now. Defenses are Tee'ing off on our Oline and Screen game because they aren't afraid of us running in between the tackles. What does that show you?

So, to all of you screaming for Goffs head, or it's all our Oline's fault. I can tell you this. IT's not. It's our coaches fault. He's calling the plays, he's setting the tone, and he's letting us know that he doesn't think we can run it AT ALL. Whether or not that's true, i don't know but you can't sit here and blame it all on Goff or our Oline, Any Oline or QB would collapse under this type of play calling. Even if we are down a couple scores we can't become one dimensional.

I mentioned something similar last week. Defenses have adjusted to our style and are defending better. Its time now for McVay to make adjustments on his side now. Our offense is way too predictable at the moment.

I thought this week we would see a progression with the offense and some adjustments. I havent been worried because IMO the first 3 weeks were more preseason. Im worried now.

Im not blaming McVay only though. Goff was terrible and Gurley has looked tentative most of this season.

They need to get forgot about Sunday and get ready for this short week. Maybe we will see some new wrinkles.

 

[Jacobarch]

Because something is wrong with Gurley .. it’s as easy and simple as that .. I think Mcvay would rather have him out there rather than brown or Henderson get the carries because of the questions

Also we are facing loaded boxes the fabled and oh so talked about 6-1 front teams are asking us to throw so we “take what the defense gives us “

So run Brown or your high draft pick in Henderson. I mean we have options.

 

[I like Rams]

I don't buy the crap that our Oline has regressed in the running game. So what we aren't getting 10 yard runs every time we run the ball. Running keeps a defense honest and eventually Gurely or Brown is going to pop a long one and the Defense will have to adjust and that's when you light them up.

It's really a simple concept, if you don't run the ball the defenses will make you pay. Even Manning Ran the ball when he was in a pass happy offense. You can't run the ball 5-10 times a game. You just can't. I Don't care who you are.

I think McVay is once again out coaching himself. He's worried about Gurelys workload. Well ok fine, you have two other capable running backs in the game, give them the ball and soften up that Defense.

Time after time everyone has diagnosed the problem in the media and for once I 100% agree with them. Playaction passing will not work unless you have an established running game. Which obviously we do not right now. Defenses are Tee'ing off on our Oline and Screen game because they aren't afraid of us running in between the tackles. What does that show you?

So, to all of you screaming for Goffs head, or it's all our Oline's fault. I can tell you this. IT's not. It's our coaches fault. He's calling the plays, he's setting the tone, and he's letting us know that he doesn't think we can run it AT ALL. Whether or not that's true, i don't know but you can't sit here and blame it all on Goff or our Oline, Any Oline or QB would collapse under this type of play calling. Even if we are down a couple scores we can't become one dimensional.

Its hard to run the ball when the defenders instantly breakthrough your oline. There were quite a few times that gurley was tackled behind the line of scrimmage or 2 yds away. More times than those where he broke free on his 5 tries. Same scenario with Brown. Not sure how you can say thats not an oline prob?

 

[jetplt67]

So run Brown or your high draft pick in Henderson. I mean we have options.

Exactly.....start Brown, back him up with Henderson, like any normal team's running game and mix in Gurley for to get his 5-7 touches. Why completely abandon the run game?


Btw, yes I know we were down by 21, so what, we always put up 30 so why panic.

 

[UKram]

So run Brown or your high draft pick in Henderson. I mean we have options.

I agree ... but the second he sits Gurley or doesn’t put him out there queue the Gurley is finished / rams were dumb extending him questions .. they copped some “concerns” about Gurley when they drafted Henderson as it is

 

[Spider2YB]

McVay could end all of this speculation by giving Gurley 25 touches Thursday night. And if Todd got 25 touches and only had 55 total yards and no TDs, I think we could all assume something is wrong with Todd.

But giving him 10 touches a game and then shrugging your shoulders why he can’t get going is unfair as hell to Gurley. He should be getting 10 touches a half.

But here’s the thing.....if McVay believed in running the ball, then someone else would be getting Gurley’s carries. But that’s not happening. We’ve just opted out of running the ball period. And it feels like McVay is leaning on the Gurley knee story to justify his decision to no longer run the ball, which is equally unfair to Gurley.

 

[jacktheripper85]

I said it last year and I’ll say it again. There is more to this Gurley situation that may eventually come out one day. I’ll ask the rest of the members but I’ve been watching football for close to 50 years and cannot recall anything similar to what is going on with Gurley.

-How does an MVP candidate and someone who was considered the top back in football get relegated to basically a decoy and a blocker?

-So our prized RB is being “saved” for the post season so we can’t run him or throw him passes but we can have him brace himself and take on blitzing LBs to protect the QB? Yeah, that doesn’t do anything to your knees!

-it’s common knowledge that in football you are either healthy to play and be expected to contribute or you sit depending on what happens in practice during the week. So I guess Gurley has the most unique injury in the entire history of football that causes McVay to basically utilize him like a 3rd string HS running back.

-I’m sorry but something just doesn’t sit right about this whole thing. I’ve never seen anything like it since I’ve been watching football.

Hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it sure seems like Gurley said or did something to piss off McVay at the end of last year because the way he is being used and basically taking up space doesn’t make sense.

 

[Spider2YB]

I agree ... but the second he sits Gurley or doesn’t put him out there queue the Gurley is finished / rams were dumb extending him questions .. they copped some “concerns” about Gurley when they drafted Henderson as it is

The second he sits Gurley? The guy went from getting 20 plus touches a game to 10. That ship has sailed. Those questions are already coming.

McVay could very easily run the ball with other backs.

I said it last year and I’ll say it again. There is more to this Gurley situation that may eventually come out one day. I’ll ask the rest of the members but I’ve been watching football for close to 50 years and cannot recall anything similar to what is going on with Gurley.

-How does an MVP candidate and someone who was considered the top back in football get relegated to basically a decoy and a blocker?

-So our prized RB is being “saved” for the post season so we can’t run him or throw him passes but we can have him brace himself and take on blitzing LBs to protect the QB? Yeah, that doesn’t do anything to your knees!

-it’s common knowledge that in football you are either healthy to play and be expected to contribute or you sit depending on what happens in practice during the week. So I guess Gurley has the most unique injury in the entire history of football that causes McVay to basically utilize him like a 3rd string HS running back.

-I’m sorry but something just doesn’t sit right about this whole thing. I’ve never seen anything like it since I’ve been watching football.

Hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it sure seems like Gurley said or did something to piss off McVay at the end of last year because the way he is being used and basically taking up space doesn’t make sense.

Gurley says he’s healthy. McVay says he’s healthy. The Rams say he’s healthy.

At what point do we start taking their word for it and place the blame on McVay for completely abandoning the run game?

If Gurley was in fact injured, and McVay actually believed in running the ball, than someone besides Gurley would be getting the ball. But Malcolm Brown isn’t getting any carries either!

 

[jacktheripper85]

The second he sits Gurley? The guy went from getting 20 plus touches a game to 10. That ship has sailed. Those questions are already coming.

McVay could very easily run the ball with other backs.


Gurley says he’s healthy. McVay says he’s healthy. The Rams say he’s healthy.

At what point do we start taking their word for it and place the blame on McVay for completely abandoning the run game?

If Gurley was in fact injured, and McVay actually believed in running the ball, than someone besides Gurley would be getting the ball. But Malcolm Brown isn’t getting any carries either!

That’s my point. You went to the Super Bowl in large part due to Gurley being the main offensive weapon. If he is supposedly healthy and not getting the ball than how does any of this make sense? Did McVay turn into an idiot the last few games of last year and this year?

There’s more to this story.

 

[Spider2YB]

That’s my point. You went to the Super Bowl in large part due to Gurley being the main offensive weapon. If he is supposedly healthy and not getting the ball than how does any of this make sense? Did McVay turn into an idiot the last few games of last year and this year?

There’s more to this story.

Agreed.

In 33 years of being a sports fan I don’t think I’ve ever been more confused by a story.

This team was like 18-1 with Gurley getting 20 touches over 2 seasons. Now he only gets 10 touches per game and the Rams say he’s healthy?? And people are like “welp, I guess Gurley doesn’t have it any more”.....it’s insane!

 

[jacktheripper85]

Agreed.

In 33 years of being a sports fan I don’t think I’ve ever been more confused by a story.

This team was like 18-1 with Gurley getting 20 touches over 2 seasons. Now he only gets 10 touches per game and the Rams say he’s healthy?? And people are like “welp, I guess Gurley doesn’t have it any more”.....it’s insane!

Totally! That’s why I wondered if Gurley somehow pissed of McVay because none of this makes sense. Can you imagine if Martz used Faulk like this? (I know he did a lot of dumb shit as a HC but thought it was a good analogy)

And like I said earlier-if your knees are good enough to withstand blitzing LBs how can’t you carry the ball or catch passes? He’s got to be healthy. What the hell is McVay’s deal?

 

[Spider2YB]

Totally! That’s why I wondered if Gurley somehow pissed of McVay because none of this makes sense. Can you imagine if Martz used Faulk like this? (I know he did a lot of dumb shit as a HC but thought it was a good analogy)

I was only half serious when I made this remark before, but the only logical explanation to me is that McVay feels like he doesn’t need a RB in his system, and he’s trying to prove it to the front office, hoping they’ll deal him for parts.

 

[Zodi]

I hate to even contemplate this, but if I was a betting man, I'd bet Gurley retires after this season.

I hope I'm wrong. He's one of my all time favorite Rams.

 

[8to12]

McVay could end all of this speculation by giving Gurley 25 touches Thursday night. And if Todd got 25 touches and only had 55 total yards and no TDs, I think we could all assume something is wrong with Todd.

But giving him 10 touches a game and then shrugging your shoulders why he can’t get going is unfair as hell to Gurley. He should be getting 10 touches a half.

But here’s the thing.....if McVay believed in running the ball, then someone else would be getting Gurley’s carries. But that’s not happening. We’ve just opted out of running the ball period. And it feels like McVay is leaning on the Gurley knee story to justify his decision to no longer run the ball, which is equally unfair to Gurley.

McVay opted out of running the ball in this past game because 1) The Buc's D is top 5 in rushing yards allowed 2) The Buc's D was HORRIBLE in Pass coverage in their loss to the Giants last week. I understand why McVay came out passing the ball. That's just 1 game. If you see a pattern in this from week 1, then I'm all ears.