Grudens Camp: Jared Goff, "The Natural"

[Loyal]

Oldie but goodie...worth a re-watch


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri8pszcjDx8

 

[DaveFan'51]

Great Video, especially looking back after the 2017 Season!!

 

[Farr Be It]

Great flashback @LoyalRam

"That was the greatest throw in the history of throws."

 

[Loyal]

Great flashback @LoyalRam

"That was the greatest throw in the history of throws."

This review of Goff almost became a punchline after Goff's 7 game losing streak in his rookie year. Most here didn't believe Goff was a bust except for maybe LACHAMP46, but it was a challenge in keeping the faith until we got McVay. Even then, we heard what a gamble McVay was as the youngest HC in history, so it became a gamble upon a gamble. Now we know that Goff belongs in the NFL and that McVay is a coaching wunderkind...Even LACHAMP46 thinks Wentz and Jimmy G. are a couple of punks compared to The Transfer!

 

[Farr Be It]

This review of Goff almost became a punchline after Goff's 7 game losing streak in his rookie year. Most here didn't believe Goff was a bust except for maybe LACHAMP46, but it was a challenge in keeping the faith until we got McVay. Even then, we heard what a gamble McVay was as the youngest HC in history, so it became a gamble upon a gamble. Now we know that Goff belongs in the NFL and that McVay is a coaching wunderkind...Even LACHAMP46 thinks Wentz and Jimmy G. are a couple of punks compared to The Transfer!

Exactly. I think our neck-tatted transfer is gonna be a'ight!

 

[WestCoastRam]

Hey, I'll own it, I don't think I ever used the "bust" label with Goff but I was definitely thinking he'd most likely only last as a starter for about 3 seasons in the NFL.

Can't say enough about how blown away I was with him last year, really hoping he can take the next step too and avoid a sophomore slump.

Edit: I am a big believer that you can destroy a good QB prospect (and to a lesser extent, other positions) by drafting them into the wrong organization. Had Fisher stayed head coach, I think the above scenario most likely would have played out.

 

[Loyal]

Hey, I'll own it, I don't think I ever used the "bust" label with Goff but I was definitely thinking he'd most likely only last as a starter for about 3 seasons in the NFL.

Can't say enough about how blown away I was with him last year, really hoping he can take the next step too and avoid a sophomore slump.

Edit: I am a big believer that you can destroy a good QB prospect (and to a lesser extent, other positions) by drafting them into the wrong organization. Had Fisher stayed head coach, I think the above scenario most likely would have played out.

Remember what Gruden told Goff? "Always remember 1-11." He told Goff that he was likely to end up on a team that was just as bad as that Cal team in his first year. converting from the "Bear Raid" offense to an NFL offense was a massive shock and so was the lack of Oline protection. Would Goff have had the same type of second year under Fisher? No. Would he have been better because the kid has guts and smarts and would have improved despite Fisher? Yes, I think so...He did it at Cal, so it's not like he had never done it.

 

[Merlin]

Remember what Gruden told Goff? "Always remember 1-11." He told Goff that he was likely to end up on a team that was just as bad as that Cal team in his first year. converting from the "Bear Raid" offense to an NFL offense was a massive shock and so was the lack of Oline protection. Would Goff have had the same type of second year under Fisher? No. Would he have been better because the kid has guts and smarts and would have improved despite Fisher? Yes, I think so...He did it at Cal, so it's not like he had never done it.

Agreed. Gruden's thoughts on that were downright prophetic. And I agree he still would have been better in year two under Fish, had Jeff brought in a top OC. How much better who knows, but better certainly.

Thankfully, though, we'll never find out because they brought in the right guy to develop him.

 

[Corbin]

This review of Goff almost became a punchline after Goff's 7 game losing streak in his rookie year. Most here didn't believe Goff was a bust except for maybe LACHAMP46, but it was a challenge in keeping the faith until we got McVay. Even then, we heard what a gamble McVay was as the youngest HC in history, so it became a gamble upon a gamble. Now we know that Goff belongs in the NFL and that McVay is a coaching wunderkind...Even LACHAMP46 thinks Wentz and Jimmy G. are a couple of punks compared to The Transfer!

Haha Champ might be the ‘Trailer’ of posters here on ROD.

 

[wolfdogg]

Can't wait to hear Gruden shout, "I love you Goff!" When Jared's throwing touchdowns on Sept 10th.

 

[badnews]

Haha Champ might be the ‘Trailer’ of posters here on ROD.

He'll always be a tractor to me haha

Seriously though, he plays an important role here.
Just like Batman needs the Joker, ROD needs the Champ! HaHaHaHa

 

[Faceplant]

He'll always be a tractor to me haha

Seriously though, he plays an important role here.
Just like Batman needs the Joker, ROD needs the Champ! HaHaHaHa

Get a room already. ..

 

[badnews]

Get a room already. ..

Oh relax, no need to get jealous

 

[LesBaker]

Remember what Gruden told Goff? "Always remember 1-11." He told Goff that he was likely to end up on a team that was just as bad as that Cal team in his first year. converting from the "Bear Raid" offense to an NFL offense was a massive shock and so was the lack of Oline protection. Would Goff have had the same type of second year under Fisher? No. Would he have been better because the kid has guts and smarts and would have improved despite Fisher? Yes, I think so...He did it at Cal, so it's not like he had never done it.

And I agree he still would have been better in year two under Fish, had Jeff brought in a top OC.

After the Colts opener last year you could see the difference between the "middle school offense" (loved that remark by Gurley) and the plays designed by McVay. Even though they were clearly not yet fully in sych since it was week one the difference was noticeable.

So for sure Goff would have improved under a different OC, especially considering he was working with Boras who is a TE coach not an OC.

 

[nighttrain]

and first season for Goff our receivers were just crap, first issue McVay addressed
train

 

[Merlin]

and first season for Goff our receivers were just crap, first issue McVay addressed
train

Yep. I always liked Fish, actually, as a leader. But that quote where he said "anyone who thinks we need WRs don't know what they're talking about" (paraphrasing here of course) was one of those hallmark moments where you realize the extent of his ignorance about the offensive side of the ball.

And the moment I knew for sure that we had the right guy in Jared was when he made that promise from the heart to the media that he'd get it fixed. Even though at that point the coaching and roster were still unknowns, that was a key moment for me as a fan to say "Wow, we're going to be ok."

 

[ramsince62]

This review of Goff almost became a punchline after Goff's 7 game losing streak in his rookie year. Most here didn't believe Goff was a bust except for maybe LACHAMP46, but it was a challenge in keeping the faith until we got McVay. Even then, we heard what a gamble McVay was as the youngest HC in history, so it became a gamble upon a gamble. Now we know that Goff belongs in the NFL and that McVay is a coaching wunderkind...Even LACHAMP46 thinks Wentz and Jimmy G. are a couple of punks compared to The Transfer!

Well LACHAMP46 isn't alone in this opinion. I don't necessarily believe Goff's a bust, at the same time I don't think he's as good as many of you do. Now to be clear, it's not like I don't think he can sling the rock, I just happen to believe that without an almost shut down LT and serviceable center, Goff cannot manage to "make plays" on the move and laterally so as they say to "carry this team" when things aren't going well. In other words, he's serviceable but not at the level of a "difference maker."

While I understand some of the excitement which I believe is based more upon McVay and staff's coaching and motivational skills than Goff's so called resurrection in year 2. Now to be clear, it wouldn't surprise me if (over time) Goff performs at an above average level (above 16, where he's rated currently), which is obviously acceptable. I just don't happen to believe he will be a "difference maker" or a consistently top 10 QB like Rogers, Brady, Bree's, Ryan or even a Luck (stay tuned). McVay's offensive scheme worked well last season, but let's be honest, no-one expected LA to climb out of the darkness this soon.....let's see how the league adjusts this season before we declare Goff "leader of the pack."

As the saying goes, "one season doesn't make a career"....but at this stage, none of us knows how things will work out in the future.....(see the roller coaster ride of Foles) hero to goat, back to hero and going forward, wanna bet he reverts back to the mean?

As for any opinions regarding Wentz or Jimmy G being "punks", only leaves me to believe that objectivity isn't a part of this equation....some of you folks are already declaring Goff a huge success after 2 short seasons while judging players like Wentz who until his injury was in the running for offensive player of the year....meanwhile opinions rage about Jimmy G, who has only played in a half dozen games.....really?

 

[Prime Time]

he's serviceable but not at the level of a "difference maker."

See, that's all I ever wanted from him early in his career. Keep the mistakes to a minimum and give the stars around him a chance to shine. Some would call that a game manager. With Gurley and the receivers we have, along with a stout defense and excellent special teams, this 2018 Rams team could go deep into the playoffs.

I just happen to believe that without an almost shut down LT and serviceable center, Goff cannot manage to "make plays" on the move and laterally so as they say to "carry this team" when things aren't going well.

That could be said of almost any NFL QB as well.

As for any opinions regarding Wentz or Jimmy G being "punks", only leaves me to believe that objectivity isn't a part of this equation.

I'm guessing that's aimed at the fans of those players not the players themselves. Wentz is reckless and won't last long in this league if he keeps playing like that. He could end up like RGIII if he isn't careful. That said, he definitely has talent.

The adulation poured on Jimmy Garappolo is over-the-top. Here's a guy who threw 2 interceptions to the Rams JV team. He may indeed put the 49ers back on the map but to crown him now is ridiculous.

Jared Goff suffered with crappy blocking while at Berkeley and then again in his first season with the Rams. Last season he had good coaching, a solid offensive line, good receivers and a great running back, so he did well. There's no reason why he can't improve in his second full season and eventually become a top ten quarterback.

 

[LesBaker]

I just happen to believe that without an almost shut down LT and serviceable center, Goff cannot manage to "make plays" on the move and laterally so as they say to "carry this team" when things aren't going well. In other words, he's serviceable but not at the level of a "difference maker."

Well he is plenty mobile enough and has made plays outside of the pocket. He's not a running QB or a scrambler though but how many of those types win and stay healthy long term. I'd prefer my QB to make plays on HIS side of the LOS.

I just don't happen to believe he will be a "difference maker" or a consistently top 10 QB like Rogers, Brady, Bree's, Ryan or even a Luck (stay tuned).

Luck? Nah. He has a LOT to prove.

Goff is already a difference maker and we saw that last year.

FYI.

10th in passing yards and only played 15 games. Had he played and had an average game he would have landed at #7
5th highest QB rating
3rd in YPA
28-7 TD to INT ratio and 4-1 is considered elite
Only 4 QB's had more TD passes than him and they all played 16 games to his 15

That's a top notch QB. Brees/Rodgers/Brady elite level QB. Well no, but he's only played a season and a half. He could still get there, but even if he stays at the same level no way anyone would say he's middle of the pack.

let's see how the league adjusts this season before we declare Goff "leader of the pack."

They had all season to adjust. This team has a lot of talent on it now, and that includes Goff. They were the better team most of the time they played. This isn't the teams we have seen for so many years, they have guys who can win matchups, can run, catch, block and tackle. And solid coaching all around.

Get used to the winning. It will continue until further notice.

 

[Loyal]

As for any opinions regarding Wentz or Jimmy G being "punks", only leaves me to believe that objectivity isn't a part of this equation....some of you folks are already declaring Goff a huge success after 2 short seasons while judging players like Wentz who until his injury was in the running for offensive player of the year....meanwhile opinions rage about Jimmy G, who has only played in a half dozen games.....really?

Well, I am a fan of the LA Rams and I am posting on a LA Rams forum. I don't have to be objective because I am a fan. I was joking when I said that, sort of.

I will be impressed with Jimmy G. if he goes 6-2 in the first half of the season, because there were circumstances that led to 6-0 apart from his performance. Rams resting players...49ers being taken for granted by the Jags, and the others who already had their uhauls packed for the offseason. DO it when everyone thinks they have a chance in the beginning of a season, and I'll think he's for real.

Wentz came out of a pro style system in college and did well, BUT, he has a style that will make his career short in the NFL, imo. He's a big guy, but not big enough to take on defensive players one-on-one and survive for long. He has the capacity to create on the run, which is good.

Jared Goff is more accurate than both of them in the pocket. You obviously don't think much of your teams QB, we differ.