Did Patriots bend the rules on ineligible receivers?

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http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_8bde2274-9310-5acd-a663-f168c02cb372.html

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. — By the time John Harbaugh figured out what Bill Belichick had up his hoodie sleeves, New England was one play away from cutting a 14-point deficit in half.

And by the time the Ravens realized what the Patriots were up to on their next possession, it was too late to stop a double-pass for a 51-yard touchdown that erased Baltimore's lead entirely.

The Ravens were confused by some of Belichick's new tricks in their second-round playoff game on Saturday, and the Patriots rallied from a pair of two-touchdown deficits to win 35-31 and advance to the AFC championship game.

"They pulled out every trick play in the book," Ravens defensive end Chris Canty said. "They threw a lot of different formations at us — guys eligible, guys ineligible. They did a lot of things to keep us on our heels."

Some of New England's tricks weren't even in the book, including a three-play series in which Belichick sent out only four offensive linemen. One of the ball-handlers was announced as an ineligible receiver as the Patriots broke the huddle for the snap, leaving Baltimore no time to substitute.

Asked if he had ever seen it before, Harbaugh said, "Nobody's ever seen that before."

"It's not something anybody's ever done before," he said. "The league will look at that type of thing and I'm sure that they'll make some adjustments."

Eventually, Harbaugh ran onto the field — drawing an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty — to argue that the referees should give him a chance to send in subs once the ineligible receiver was announced.

"The officials told me after that they'd give us the opportunity to do that, which they probably should have done during that series," he said. "That's why guys were open, because we didn't ID where the eligible receivers were at."

After the Ravens were caught with 12 men on the field, the Patriots followed with three completions and the penalty on Harbaugh that put the ball on the 5. One play later, Brady hit Rob Gronkowski for a 5-yard score that made it 28-21.

Harbaugh declined to comment when asked if the ploy by Belichick, whose reputation is still stained by the revelations that he illegally videotaped the Rams practice before the 2002 Super Bowl, or that he taped opposing coaches' signal-calling in 2007, was "cheap or dirty."

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was unapologetic.

"Maybe those guys (have) got to study the rule book and figure it out," he said. "We obviously knew what we were doing."
 

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http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_8bde2274-9310-5acd-a663-f168c02cb372.html

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. — By the time John Harbaugh figured out what Bill Belichick had up his hoodie sleeves, New England was one play away from cutting a 14-point deficit in half.

And by the time the Ravens realized what the Patriots were up to on their next possession, it was too late to stop a double-pass for a 51-yard touchdown that erased Baltimore's lead entirely.

The Ravens were confused by some of Belichick's new tricks in their second-round playoff game on Saturday, and the Patriots rallied from a pair of two-touchdown deficits to win 35-31 and advance to the AFC championship game.

"They pulled out every trick play in the book," Ravens defensive end Chris Canty said. "They threw a lot of different formations at us — guys eligible, guys ineligible. They did a lot of things to keep us on our heels."

Some of New England's tricks weren't even in the book, including a three-play series in which Belichick sent out only four offensive linemen. One of the ball-handlers was announced as an ineligible receiver as the Patriots broke the huddle for the snap, leaving Baltimore no time to substitute.

Asked if he had ever seen it before, Harbaugh said, "Nobody's ever seen that before."

"It's not something anybody's ever done before," he said. "The league will look at that type of thing and I'm sure that they'll make some adjustments."

Eventually, Harbaugh ran onto the field — drawing an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty — to argue that the referees should give him a chance to send in subs once the ineligible receiver was announced.

"The officials told me after that they'd give us the opportunity to do that, which they probably should have done during that series," he said. "That's why guys were open, because we didn't ID where the eligible receivers were at."

After the Ravens were caught with 12 men on the field, the Patriots followed with three completions and the penalty on Harbaugh that put the ball on the 5. One play later, Brady hit Rob Gronkowski for a 5-yard score that made it 28-21.

Harbaugh declined to comment when asked if the ploy by Belichick, whose reputation is still stained by the revelations that he illegally videotaped the Rams practice before the 2002 Super Bowl, or that he taped opposing coaches' signal-calling in 2007, was "cheap or dirty."

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was unapologetic.

"Maybe those guys (have) got to study the rule book and figure it out," he said. "We obviously knew what we were doing."

No Way! Certainly, the Patriots would NEVER bend the rules!
 

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No Way! Certainly, the Patriots would NEVER bend the rules!
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Fuckin Cheatriots living up to their name. Holy shit, I hate them!!! How they aren't at the top of everyone's most hated list is beyond me.
 

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Nah, it's sour grapes. Big H is just as good at throwing a stink as little H. Keying in on the fact that it's on vogue to call the Patriots cheaters. This is no different from when Carroll shit himself at Fisher tricking him.
 

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"Maybe those guys (have) got to study the rule book and figure it out," he said. "We obviously knew what we were doing."

Few sports figures I've to sucker punch to the face more than Pretty Boy Bitch, Brady.
 

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The referee needs to do a better job at announcing a player declaring himself..."ineligible"???

Typical Patriot BS
 

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It's within the rules, Harbaugh throwing a tantrum doesn't change a thing. He got out coached and he does't like it.........
 

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So they are whining about not being able to beat a 4 man offensive line? Interesting.
 

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Actually, they were in the rules of the game. They didnt do anything wrong. The quuestion should be, did the refs officiate it properly.
 

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The refs were the ones that dropped the ball, but I wonder if, perhaps, they were somehow being encouraged to look the other way:

DEFENSIVE MATCHUPS FOLLOWING SUBSTITUTIONS

Article 10If a substitution is made by the offense, the offense shall not be permitted to snap the ball until the
defense has been permitted to respond with its substitutions. While in the process of a substitution (or
simulated substitution), the offense is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage and
snapping the ball in an obvious attempt to cause a defensive foul (i.e., too many men on the field). If, in the
judgment of the officials, this occurs, the following procedure will apply:

(a) The Umpire will stand over the ball until the Referee deems that the defense has had a reasonable
time to complete its substitutions.

(b) If a play takes place and a defensive foul for too many players on the field results, no penalties will be
enforced, except for personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct, and the down will be replayed. At
this time, the Referee will notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will result in a penalty
for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Note: The quick-snap rule does not apply after the two-minute warning of either half, or if there is not a
substitution by the offense.

(c) On a fourth-down punting situation, the Referee and the Umpire will not allow a quick snap that
prevents the defense from having a reasonable time to complete its substitutions. This applies
throughout the entire game.


Section 3 Changes in Position

REPORTING CHANGE OF POSITION

Article 1An offensive player wearing the number of an ineligible pass receiver (50-79 and 90-99) is permitted to line up in the position of an eligible pass receiver (1-49 and 80-89), and an offensive player wearing the number of an eligible pass receiver is permitted to line up in the position of an ineligible pass receiver, provided that he immediately reports the change in his eligibility status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team. He must participate in such eligible or ineligible position as long as he is continuously in the game, but prior to each play he must again report his status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team. The game clock shall not be stopped, and the ball shall not be put in play until the Referee takes his normal position.

http://static.nfl.com/static/conten...s/8_Rule5_Players_Subs_Equip_GeneralRules.pdf

"REFEREE’S POSITION

Article 6 Prior to the snap, the Referee shall assume such a stance that he is in the clear of and behind any backfield player. This is also to be construed as including the normal path of any player in motion behind the line as well as the line of vision between such a player and the maker of a pass (forward or backward). He shall also favor the right side (if the passer is right-handed). He will count the offensive players."

As Randy Tirado says: if NE reports the change it is the referee's responsibility to inform the Baltimore defense and then resume his position behind any backfield player. According the earlier article:

"On one play, running back Shane Vereen didn't alert the officials to his ineligibility until just before the snap." - I don't think it's a question of changing the rules. It's a question of the referee realizing that once the change is announced to him the ball is no longer in play until he resumes his position.
 
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The refs were the ones that dropped the ball, but I wonder if, perhaps, they were somehow being encouraged to look the other way:

DEFENSIVE MATCHUPS FOLLOWING SUBSTITUTIONS

Article 10If a substitution is made by the offense, the offense shall not be permitted to snap the ball until the
defense has been permitted to respond with its substitutions. While in the process of a substitution (or
simulated substitution), the offense is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage and
snapping the ball in an obvious attempt to cause a defensive foul (i.e., too many men on the field). If, in the
judgment of the officials, this occurs, the following procedure will apply:

(a) The Umpire will stand over the ball until the Referee deems that the defense has had a reasonable
time to complete its substitutions.

(b) If a play takes place and a defensive foul for too many players on the field results, no penalties will be
enforced, except for personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct, and the down will be replayed. At
this time, the Referee will notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will result in a penalty
for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Note: The quick-snap rule does not apply after the two-minute warning of either half, or if there is not a
substitution by the offense.

(c) On a fourth-down punting situation, the Referee and the Umpire will not allow a quick snap that
prevents the defense from having a reasonable time to complete its substitutions. This applies
throughout the entire game.
And Harbaugh said he took the unsportsmanlike penalty to "educate" the refs to rules quoted above. The Ravens have a legitimate beef here.
 

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NFL just commented that what the Pats did, of course, was 'legal.'

Why would anyone think they would have decided anything different?
 

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Yeah, I didn't watch much of the game, but after one play the announcers were talking about how Shane Vereen was lined up in the slot but actually was an ineligible receiver for the play even though the refs didn't announce it and I was just like huh???
 

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Actually, they were in the rules of the game. They didnt do anything wrong. The quuestion should be, did the refs officiate it properly.
If they didn't announce Vereen as ineligible and give the defense time to adjust/sub, the refs screwed up! Cheatriots got over, legally!
 

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So, in essence, the Patriots were playing a shell game as to who was the ineligible receiver, by not informing the refs until just prior to the snap.