Cooper Kupp expected to be ready for Rams training camp (CONFIRMED)

[dang]

Between that and Gurley being a non factor along with how Belichick diagnosed McVay's offense based on how he used TE's the Rams were in for a long day from the start.

I still can't believe that he found a "tell" from the TE's.

Please elaborate on the “tell” from the TEs. First I have heard of this.

 

[Adi]

All of these moves coming up , and him coming back might be the most important

 

[coconut]

TE's during run or pass plays.

McVayh showed his plan big time.

Do you have a source for that? Was that what Chicago used to bitch slap the offense? BTW nice job with the non phonetic H insertion.

 

[LesBaker]

Do you have a source for that? Was that what Chicago used to bitch slap the offense? BTW nice job with the non phonetic H insertion.

It was in the article where one of the Patriots defenders was talking about how McVay didn't show any new wrinkles.

It was posted here, but you can Google it too. Essentially with one TE in it was almost always a running play, with another it was almost always a pass play. So the defense was tipped off so to speak on almost every play.

 

[coconut]

It was in the article where one of the Patriots defenders was talking about how McVay didn't show any new wrinkles.

It was posted here, but you can Google it too. Essentially with one TE in it was almost always a running play, with another it was almost always a pass play. So the defense was tipped off so to speak on almost every play.

I find that difficult to believe. Certainly because I don't want to believe something that basic was overlooked by McVay or anyone else on the Rams. Has anyone confirmed this by reviewing the game? If so please weigh in because I won't watch it anytime soon.

 

[LesBaker]

I find that difficult to believe. Certainly because I don't want to believe something that basic was overlooked by McVay or anyone else on the Rams. Has anyone confirmed this by reviewing the game? If so please weigh in because I won't watch it anytime soon.

Well it seemed to be true enough that it was brought up by the other guys.

 

[1maGoh]

Well it seemed to be true enough that it was brought up by the other guys.

I'm thinking a team needs to hire someone to help them cook up some psychological warfare for situations like this.

Beat a really good team? Let it slip to the media that you found a tell. Have them scouring film to find a non-existent tell.

Casually mention a week before a big game that you have a cousin on the practice field staff and he's been taking notes from their closed practices. Watch them turn on their own staff and redo their game plan over nothing.

Pay a UPS guy to leave a couple of empty laxitive bottles near their kitchen one day. Watch them freak out and dump all the water while the players are dying of thirst, can't get their recovery drinks or protein shakes.

I'm sure somebody more clever could come up with some better ideas. With all the money on the line, I'm surprised there isn't more of this. Or maybe it just never makes it to the media.

 

[Karate61]

I find that difficult to believe. Certainly because I don't want to believe something that basic was overlooked by McVay or anyone else on the Rams. Has anyone confirmed this by reviewing the game? If so please weigh in because I won't watch it anytime soon.

Rams Offensive Plays

Series One:
1TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass

Series Two:
1TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass

Series Three:
2TE Run
1TE Run
1TE Run
1TE Pass

Series Four:
1TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Run
1TE Pass

Series Five:
1TE Run
2TE Run
2TE Pass

Series Six:
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass

Series Seven:
1TE Pass
1TE Run
1TE Run
1TE Run
1TE Pass

Series Eight:
2TE Run
2TE Run
1TE Pass

Series Nine:
1TE Pass
1TE Run
1TE Pass
2TE Run
2TE Pass
1TE Pass
2TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
(Kicked FG)

Series Ten:
2TE Pass
2TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
2TE Pass
2TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Run

Series Eleven:
2TE Pass
2TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
(Interception)

Series Twelve:
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
(End of Game)

 

[kurtfaulk]

It was in the article where one of the Patriots defenders was talking about how McVay didn't show any new wrinkles.

It was posted here, but you can Google it too. Essentially with one TE in it was almost always a running play, with another it was almost always a pass play. So the defense was tipped off so to speak on almost every play.

I find that hard to believe that mcvay would allow such a simple tell. His whole offense revolves around showing the same look so he doesn't provide a tell.

.

 

[coconut]

Rams Offensive Plays

Series One:
1TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass

Series Two:
1TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass

Series Three:
2TE Run
1TE Run
1TE Run
1TE Pass

Series Four:
1TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Run
1TE Pass

Series Five:
1TE Run
2TE Run
2TE Pass

Series Six:
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass

Series Seven:
1TE Pass
1TE Run
1TE Run
1TE Run
1TE Pass

Series Eight:
2TE Run
2TE Run
1TE Pass

Series Nine:
1TE Pass
1TE Run
1TE Pass
2TE Run
2TE Pass
1TE Pass
2TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
(Kicked FG)

Series Ten:
2TE Pass
2TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
2TE Pass
2TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Run

Series Eleven:
2TE Pass
2TE Run
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
(Interception)

Series Twelve:
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
1TE Pass
(End of Game)

2TE Run, 8 times, on 1st play of each series 2/12
2TE Pass, 6 times, 2/12

1TE Run, 12 times, 4/12
1TE Pass, 38 times, 4/12

Even subtracting the last two series of 10 times for the 1TE Pass because of time winding down that still leaves:

1TE Run, 12 times
1TE Pass, 28 times


Thank you sir for compiling that.

 

[LesBaker]

I'm thinking a team needs to hire someone to help them cook up some psychological warfare for situations like this.

Beat a really good team? Let it slip to the media that you found a tell. Have them scouring film to find a non-existent tell.

Casually mention a week before a big game that you have a cousin on the practice field staff and he's been taking notes from their closed practices. Watch them turn on their own staff and redo their game plan over nothing.

Pay a UPS guy to leave a couple of empty laxitive bottles near their kitchen one day. Watch them freak out and dump all the water while the players are dying of thirst, can't get their recovery drinks or protein shakes.

I'm sure somebody more clever could come up with some better ideas. With all the money on the line, I'm surprised there isn't more of this. Or maybe it just never makes it to the media.

It came out after the game.

 

[LesBaker]

It was not one versus two TE's. It was WHO was in at TE.

Here is a link to how Belichick shut down the Rams.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/02/super-bowl-53-bill-belichick-gameplan-genius

If you don't want to bother reading the whole thing here is the part about the TE's. They were far better prepared and obviously scoured film looking for something. And they found it. I bolded the critical parts.

4. Attention to detail: Sean McVay’s tell

One of the hardest aspects of defending the Rams offense is discerning the run from the pass.

“They do a lot of things to give the defense problems.” Belichick said of the Rams offense in the lead-up to the game. “Misdirection and complementary plays so they all kind of look the same but it could be one of two or three things.”

Because of that uniformity, it’s hard to get a read on McVay’s play-calling tendencies, but it appears Belichick was able to find one, and he tailored his defensive personnel groupings based on the intel.

Personnel-wise, New England did what any other defense would have done against the Rams: It matched the Rams’ 11-personnel sets (one running back, one tight end and three receivers) with its nickel package (five defensive backs). But L.A. has two different 11-personnel sets; one with Tyler Higbee at tight end and one with Gerald Everett. And that’s where you’ll find McVay’s tell. The Rams lined up in 11-personnel with Everett on the field 273 times during the regular season (not including garbage-time snaps), per NFL GSIS. They ran only 37 times. That’s only 14 percent of the time.

So what did Belichick do? When Higbee was on the field, he matched the Rams with the run-stuffing 4-3 front and played that three-level coverage we’ve already covered. When Everett was the lone tight end on the field, Belichick played his nickel fronts with man coverage on the backend. With Higbee on the field, the Pats had to be mindful of the run; with Everett out there, they could focus solely on stopping the pass. And that’s what they did. The Patriots completely shut down the Rams passing game out of those three-receiver sets. Jared Goff averaged just 5.6 yards per attempt on those passes.

Other coaches may have treated every 11-personnel grouping the same. Not Belichick. He recognized the different threats posed by the Rams’ two tight ends, figured out the tendency and planned accordingly.



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[1maGoh]

It came out after the game.

I'm aware of that. I meant that someone should start some psychological warfare before games. I don't believe that anyone is attempting to incite paranoia and wasted time before games, but they should.

 

[LesBaker]

I'm aware of that. I meant that someone should start some psychological warfare before games. I don't believe that anyone is attempting to incite paranoia and wasted time before games, but they should.

There might be rules against it who knows.

 

[coconut]

It was not one versus two TE's. It was WHO was in at TE.

Here is a link to how Belichick shut down the Rams.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/02/super-bowl-53-bill-belichick-gameplan-genius

If you don't want to bother reading the whole thing here is the part about the TE's. They were far better prepared and obviously scoured film looking for something. And they found it. I bolded the critical parts.

4. Attention to detail: Sean McVay’s tell

One of the hardest aspects of defending the Rams offense is discerning the run from the pass.

“They do a lot of things to give the defense problems.” Belichick said of the Rams offense in the lead-up to the game. “Misdirection and complementary plays so they all kind of look the same but it could be one of two or three things.”

Because of that uniformity, it’s hard to get a read on McVay’s play-calling tendencies, but it appears Belichick was able to find one, and he tailored his defensive personnel groupings based on the intel.

Personnel-wise, New England did what any other defense would have done against the Rams: It matched the Rams’ 11-personnel sets (one running back, one tight end and three receivers) with its nickel package (five defensive backs). But L.A. has two different 11-personnel sets; one with Tyler Higbee at tight end and one with Gerald Everett. And that’s where you’ll find McVay’s tell. The Rams lined up in 11-personnel with Everett on the field 273 times during the regular season (not including garbage-time snaps), per NFL GSIS. They ran only 37 times. That’s only 14 percent of the time.

So what did Belichick do? When Higbee was on the field, he matched the Rams with the run-stuffing 4-3 front and played that three-level coverage we’ve already covered. When Everett was the lone tight end on the field, Belichick played his nickel fronts with man coverage on the backend. With Higbee on the field, the Pats had to be mindful of the run; with Everett out there, they could focus solely on stopping the pass. And that’s what they did. The Patriots completely shut down the Rams passing game out of those three-receiver sets. Jared Goff averaged just 5.6 yards per attempt on those passes.

Other coaches may have treated every 11-personnel grouping the same. Not Belichick. He recognized the different threats posed by the Rams’ two tight ends, figured out the tendency and planned accordingly.



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Thank you for posting that. So very disappointing. With all the data compiled that was overlooked by the Rams.:banghead:

 

[wmc540]

I truly believe that he would have done to the Pats what Edelman did to us. In our case that then would have freed up Cooks, Woods, and the running game. I like Reynolds....but he’s no Kupp

I'm not sure I'm on the Reynolds bandwagon. He didn't do anything to wow me to believe he can develop into a number 1 receiver.

 

[LesBaker]

I'm not sure I'm on the Reynolds bandwagon. He didn't do anything to wow me to believe he can develop into a number 1 receiver.

In this style of offense there really isn't a #1 WR though.

 

[wmc540]

In this style of offense there really isn't a #1 WR though.

Yes, I'm referring to his ability to develop into a number 1 receiver talent.

 

[Akrasian]

Yes, I'm referring to his ability to develop into a number 1 receiver talent.

I don't think anybody is saying he'll ever be a true #1 type guy. That doesn't mean he won't develop into a good player, and has value currently. I mean, it's a high standard to judge a player by, especially those you take in the mid-rounds. He was good to have last season, and should get playing time next year.

 

[LesBaker]

Yes, I'm referring to his ability to develop into a number 1 receiver talent.

He doesn't need to develop into that, he just needs to be a piece that fits in the system that can contribute and be one more WR that has to be covered.