Chargers stadium initiative fails, opens door for move to Los Angeles

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Chargers stadium vote fails, opens door for move to Los Angeles
Eric D. Williams/ESPN Staff Writer

SAN DIEGO -- After 15 years of working to get a stadium built here, the Chargers finally found out from San Diego city voters whether they want to build a new stadium that keeps the team in town.

The answer, at least for the project as it currently stands, was a resounding no.

With 100 percent of precincts reporting, the Chargers received only 43 percent approval on Measure C, the team's $1.8 billion downtown stadium and convention center annex that proposed raising hotel taxes from 12.5 percent to 16.5 percent to secure $1.15 billion in bonds to help pay for the project.

The citizens' ballot initiative required two-thirds of the voting public within city limits to approve the project, a high bar for the team to reach.

In a letter sent late Tuesday night, Chargers chairman Dean Spanos thanked season-ticket holders and fans for their support but offered no insight into his intentions moving forward.

"In terms of what comes next for the Chargers, it's just too early to give you an answer," Spanos wrote. "We are going to diligently explore and weigh our options, and do what is needed to maintain our options, but no decision will be announced until after the football season concludes and no decision will be made in haste."

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The San Diego Chargers have until Jan. 15 to exercise an option to join the Los Angeles Rams in a stadium being constructed in Inglewood, California. Todd Warshaw/Getty Images

As part of the Rams' relocation agreement approved earlier this year by NFL owners, the Chargers have until Jan. 15 to decide whether they want to join the Rams in Los Angeles. The two sides agreed to terms on a deal that would bring the Chargers to Los Angeles as the second NFL team earlier this year.

If the Chargers decide to stay in San Diego, the Raiders will have the opportunity to move south and join the Rams.

However, with the Raiders focused on potentially relocating to Las Vegas, it could buy some time for the Chargers to continue to work on getting something done in San Diego.

Spanos said last week that he has no meeting scheduled with Kroenke and that the NFL is supportive of whatever direction the Chargers would like to go.

"They've been great," Spanos said about the league.

Last year, as the team partnered with the Raiders in an attempt to develop and fund a new stadium in Carson, California, the Chargers conducted what many in the city view as a scorched-earth policy that put them at odds with San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer over the location and financing of a new facility.

However, this year, the Chargers committed to getting something done in San Diego after losing the race to Los Angeles to the Rams, which included Spanos working to create a better relationship with Faulconer.

Spanos also changed his approach locally, getting out front more and interacting with fans and city leaders.

After months of negotiations with the team, Faulconer announced three weeks ago his endorsement of the team's stadium proposal. Faulconer and the Chargers agreed to eight concessions to protect the city's financial interests and strengthen the team's ballot initiative.

"It's very important to work together, that's how you achieve success," Faulconer said. "And as I've said on numerous occasions, keeping the team here is in the best interest of the city.

"The Chargers have been here for 50 years. Part of a great American city is professional sports, just like are arts, culture and some of the other things that make us who we are. And so it's worth doing, and it's worth keeping focus to achieve success."

Now that Faulconer and Spanos are on the same page, even with a loss at the polls, the Chargers could continue to work on improving the stadium plan, now that there appears to be some momentum toward building a new facility.

"It was never bad to begin with," Spanos said about his relationship with Faulconer. "We had opposing views last year. That's just part of doing business. He's been great. He's been supportive, and he's a very decent individual to deal with."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

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Spanos: No discussion of stadium plans until after season
Posted by Josh Alper on November 9, 2016

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In a letter to Chargers season ticket holders on Tuesday night following the defeat of a ballot measure to finance a new stadium in San Diego, owner Dean Spanos said that no decision about next steps would be “made in haste.”

One step available to the Chargers is to join the Rams at their forthcoming stadium in Inglewood. They were granted a one-year option to make that move when the league approved the Rams’ move earlier this year.

Spanos released another statement via the team on Wednesday and said that the team would be focused on football for the rest of the season before turning their attention to where the team will play football in the future.

“First and foremost, I want to thank everyone who worked so hard throughout this campaign,” Spanos said. “From the Chamber of Commerce to the Building Trades and organized labor, from the fan groups to the volunteers who helped us collect more than 110,000 signatures and knock on more than 50,000 doors. Every member of the Chargers organization will be forever grateful for your tremendous help and steadfast support.

“This has been a long campaign, and I’m sure we all want to put aside stadium talk for a while and focus on the rest of the Chargers’ season. Our team, with its mix of veteran leaders and young stars, has played some of the most exciting football in the NFL so far, and I can’t wait to see how we do throughout the rest of the season. Our players have shown great heart and resilience in the NFL’s toughest division. I’m eager – as I’m sure you all are – to give the stadium debate a rest and enjoy some Chargers football.

“So I’m going to put aside any discussion of our possible next steps until after the season, to allow everyone to focus on football and to give my family and me time to think carefully about what is best for the future of our franchise. Over the coming weeks you may hear news about steps that we must take to preserve all of our options. But please know that I don’t intend to make any decisions until after the regular season ends and that, in the meantime, I hope to enjoy with you one great Chargers game after another.”

The ballot measure in San Diego failed to reach both the two-third threshold needed to pass and even a simple majority of the voters, which suggests that finding a solution that leads to a new stadium in the city is going to be very difficult.

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Poor performance of stadium measure leaves Chargers with no good options
Posted by Mike Florio on November 9, 2016

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The Chargers currently don’t have a viable stadium option in San Diego, a reality underscored by the inability of the ballot measure to get at least 50 percent of the vote. So what comes next?

At this point, no one knows. Chargers owner Dean Spanos has said in a statement that the issue won’t be addressed until after the season. If that happens, it will leave the Chargers with only two weeks to negotiate to conclusion an agreement to relocate to Los Angeles as a tenant or partner in Rams owner Stan Kroenke’s new stadium in Inglewood.

Unless the Chargers plan to discreetly trade terms with Kroenke over the balance of the season, the Chargers and Rams won’t have much time to work out a complicated, delicate, long-term arrangement to share not just a stadium but a market that may not be thrilled about the prospect of supporting two NFL franchises.

Meanwhile, Kroenke would have plenty of leverage in that two-week window, driving a harder bargain possibly aimed at keeping the market to himself. Absent a league-encouraged agreement to give the Chargers another year to finalize the deal (and then another year after that, and then maybe another), it could be very difficult for the Chargers and Rams to strike such an important agreement by January 15.

Barring some other viable relocation destination (and there really isn’t one, unless the Raiders can’t finalize a deal to move to Las Vegas), the Chargers will have to find a solution in San Diego. The combination of the law requiring a two-thirds supermajority and an electorate that was unwilling to even get the team to 50-50-plus-one makes the prospect of public money a long shot.

The prospect of the Chargers making another run at a taxpayer-funded project hinges first on the California Supreme Court deciding in an unrelated case to drop the threshold from 66.6 percent to a simple majority. If that happens, the next question becomes picking the right year for another run at the votes necessary to get to a simple majority.

The local thinking is that the best chance to getting to 50-percent comes during a high-turnout election. Which means the next presidential election in 2020 would be the most likely target.

Coincidentally, the Chargers’ lease runs through 2020. Which means that they have the luxury of time — if, that is, their window to move to Los Angeles somehow can be extended.

Thus, the best prediction at this point is that, barring an agreement by January 15 to leave for L.A., the Chargers will wait for the Supreme Court ruling and, if it’s favorable, plan a stadium push in 2020. The key will be to kick the can on the Kroenkeworld scenario, allowing the Chargers to bolt for L.A. as late as 2021, if a last-ditch effort to build a new stadium with free cash from the government in 2020 fails.

Here’s the challenge if the Chargers become a year-to-year proposition in San Diego: Fans will have a hard time remaining engaged with a team that may decide after any given year to leave. Although it was believed before the failed vote that the Chargers ultimately would not leave, the poor performance of the ballot measure could be the catalyst for an abrupt and sudden decision in that two-week window in early January to pack up and leave.
 

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This is NOT GOOD! I Don't want the Rams to have to share the New Digs!!
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Spanos has never been one to split the atom, but he has to take the LA deal now. Hos net worth will double at least before they even play a game. The NFL will push him to move so SD can be the carrot on the stick for other owners wanting stadium improvements.
 

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After the Failed Stadium Vote, What Now for the Chargers?
The initiative to fund a new football venue in San Diego was soundly defeated. Now the Chargers’ options are: Move to L.A., consider somewhere else, or try to somehow stay and make it work. None are appetizing
by Andrew Brandt

The ripples from the NFL’s long-awaited return Los Angeles continue. The latest swell comes from Tuesday night’s vote in San Diego on Measure C, a tax initiative to fill the funding gap necessary to build a sparkling “Convadium,” a combined convention center and stadium (with a retractable roof) for the Chargers

As expected, Measure C did not come close to the two-thirds threshold to pass, falling in at about 43%. Once again the future viability of the Chargers in San Diego remains uncertain.

However, as I have said with the Raiders, let’s hold the phone on the moving vans; it’s still too early to say the Chargers are going to be leaving their longstanding home.

Before assessing their options, let’s review.

The Loyalist

Of the three teams and ownership families that applied for relocation to L.A. last year, the Chargers and owner Dean Spanos have been most loyal to their home market. Rams owner Stan Kroenke was intent on getting to Los Angeles no matter the obstacles, resisting local city and state officials’ diligent efforts to finance a new stadium in St. Louis. And we continue to watch Raiders owner Mark Davis go all-in on Las Vegas, after some flirtations with San Antonio, in trying to extricate his team from Oakland.

Compared to those two teams, the Chargers—playing in a clearly deficient stadium—have appeared to be downright devoted to their home market. Loyalty, however, only goes so far, as Dean Spanos learned in the L.A. relocation saga: He was left at the altar after watching dozens of his “partners” shift their loyalty to Kroenke.

While Davis cast a restive eye elsewhere, Spanos returned once again to San Diego city officials, now with an additional $100 million in his negotiating toolbox, the NFL’s consolation prize to him to use toward a stadium financing deal in San Diego.

After months of negotiations, a deal was crafted with the good news (financing would come from outsiders in the form of hotel taxes) and bad news (the mountainous 66.7% vote threshold that California requires for public tax hikes).

As I noted last week, my experience told me how hard it was to even get 50% in Packers-crazy Green Bay; getting 66.7% in San Diego, even if paid by outsiders, was a colossal “ask.” And, alas, it did not come close.

Chargers’ Options

The fact that only 43% of voters said Yes to Measure C indicates a populace that resistant to any form of public financing to subsidize the Chargers This, however, is not surprising in an era of limited public resources and so many other needs. The question, of course, is how Spanos—a true loyalist to his city compared to Kroenke and Davis—responds to this “referendum on the referendum.”

While there are options, none are truly good. Let’s examine.

Stay in San Diego

Spanos, who reportedly spent $10 million on Measure C, can certainly continue to try in San Diego, hopefully with a lower voting threshold, at a later time. There is an unrelated matter before the California Supreme Court that could eventually lower the threshold for tax hikes on citizens’ initiatives (like this one) to 50%.

While a favorable result here would certainly be beneficial—the Chargers have submitted a brief to the court in support of the change—the time lag would be significant. Courts do not move at the pace that NFL owners and fans desire. And even if a change were made retroactively, there would then be appeals (and lawyers). This could take years.

Of course, Spanos can continue to try to figure out another solution with the NFL and San Diego to finance a new stadium without seeking public money. However, we are several years into talks between the team and the city that have at times been contentious, and there is little reason to be optimistic on this front.

The option that may be most realistic but least satisfying would be the negotiation of a new lease to stay at the deficient Qualcomm Stadium, with as many improvements/upgrades as possible. This would be a band-aid approach, but in the financing climate we are in it is perhaps the most doable.

Move North

The team has the continuing option—through January 15, 2017—of joining the Rams in Los Angeles in the Shangri-La that Kroenke is developing. Up to this point Spanos has resisted that notion, preferring to focus on San Diego. Now we will see.

There are pros and cons to his moving the team 75 miles to the north.

On the plus side, NFL ownership already negotiated terms between the Rams and Chargers when the decision on the Rams was made last January, terms that are more favorable to the Chargers than if Spanos were left to negotiate directly with Kroenke.

In addition, there would be ancillary revenue opportunities—marketing and sponsorship deals, suite sales, entertainment synergies, etc.—from being in L.A that are not currently available in San Diego.

And, of course, the Chargers’ franchise value would rise dramatically with a move to the nation’s second largest market, eventually far eclipsing the $550 million relocation fee that the NFL will require for the move.

Besides loyalty to San Diego, however, there are reasons why the Chargers have still not embraced the L.A. option green-lighted by the NFL almost a year ago.

Despite a (relatively) fair deal to join the Rams, the relationship between Kroenke and Spanos is not strong, and bitterness still lingers from what happened in January. At the NFL relocation meetings, Spanos (and Davis) would stake out one side of the lobby and Kroenke would set up camp at another side, both casting sideways glances at each other while lobbying owners for support. Spanos and Kroenke certainly did not want to be partners a year ago or six months ago; it is hard to see them being partners now.

Spanos also may believe his team would clearly be the ugly stepsister to the Rams, who are already playing in the L.A. market while Kroenke develops the stadium and entertainment complex around it.

And even though the $550 million relocation fee—paid over 10 years—would eventually be offset by the rise in franchise value, that sum is more formidable for the Spanos family than for Kroenke and his $12 billion net worth.

Theoretically, an additional option could be a move to another stadium in Los Angeles, perhaps the Carson project that Spanos (and Davis) lobbied for last year. However, my sense is that ship sailed in January; even the support of Disney CEO Robert Iger could not sway NFL owners to support that location.

As for Kroenke and the Rams, they will say all the right things, but they would obviously prefer having the keys to the massive L.A. market to themselves.

As for the NFL, although it did force Kroenke and Spanos together to make a potential deal, the official stance is that it prefers teams to stay where they are (as St. Louis fans snicker).

A final note here on the January 15 deadline. In theory the right to move to Los Angeles defaults to the Raiders at that time. However, Spanos has announced that no decision will be made until after the season, which, assuming the Chargers are out of the playoffs, is the first week of January. That would not allow much time.

While the option to move to L.A. technically reverts to the Raiders at that point, perhaps, with the Raiders all in on a move to Las Vegas, there could be mutual agreement—between the NFL, Spanos and perhaps even Davis—to extend the deadline. This would give the Chargers one last-ditch attempt to see if they can work things out in their home market.

Look Elsewhere

Like Mark Davis, Spanos can always start flirting with other markets, whether to realistically negotiate or simply to leverage San Diego into coughing up more funding. That seems unlikely for a few reasons: (1) Spanos has never shown an inclination to do so; (2) it is unclear what markets would be fawning over the Chargers. San Antonio? Toronto? Oakland? I don’t see it. (3) San Diego is not going to panic if Spanos looks elsewhere.

Simply, there are no great options here.

And whatever they are, the Chargers will be playing in the substandard Qualcomm stadium for the foreseeable future.

As I know from my time in Green Bay before the Lambeau Field renovation, stadium economics is an important driver in team revenues; the teams without new or renovated facilities will eventually be unable to compete in league-revenue rankings without that important source. New and improved stadiums provided necessary revenue streams in the big business of the NFL.

So the aftershocks of the Rams’ victory in last year’s renovation race continue to reverberate. The Rams are now playing in the Coliseum anticipating arrival in their shiny new home in 2019.

The Raiders have lobbied for and achieved a stadium funding deal in Las Vegas, ignoring city officials in Oakland, and may well apply to the NFL for relocation for the second time in two years. And the Chargers, alas, continue to try to make it work in San Diego, although the clock may be running out.
 

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Good luck getting anyone from STl to return a call from the NFL after the crap they pulled on that city.

Im in stl and trust me if Spanos come calling they will answer. Yeah the city isnt losing money since the rams arent here but its still the NFl they can keep the dome for all their conventions And Spanos can have the riverfront stadium.. i know its never going to happen but i can dream.right.