Case Keenum is starter; Jared Goff appears to be third option

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Case Keenuim is starter; Jared Goff appears to be third option

By Vincent Bonsignore, Los Angeles Daily News

[www.dailynews.com]

MINNEAPOLIS >> Words you never thought you’d string together in the same sentence one month ago: Take a seat, Jared Goff, here’s hoping we don’t see you start another game the rest of the 2016 season.

Sounds harsh, right?

Almost inexplicable considering the spot in the draft Goff was taken and the price the Rams paid to acquire it.

It’s not often a team pulls aside the first overall pick at the end of the last exhibition game and tells him they’d rather not see him play again this year.

But then, why would the Rams really want Goff to play significant snaps over the next four months when doing so means two bad things happening? Losing too many games or starter Case Keenum suffering an injury. Especially after the wobbly performance Goff delivered Thursday against the Minnesota Vikings.

With a chance to take a decisive step forward and ease some concerns and maybe even close the gap on Keenum, he took two major steps backward with a forgettable and regrettable showing that raises some legitimate concerns he might not be ready to take the field at all this year.

Forget the starting job, at this point Goff might not even be the best option as the primary back up. Sean Mannion seems to be in line to get that job.

“If we were starting right now, I’d probably have Sean be the No. 2,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said, dropping a bit of a bombshell.

Goff seemed taken aback upon hearing that, but stressed he’s going to focus on getting better regardless where his name falls on the depth chart.

“I feel like I’ve made big strides and I’m on the way to being where I want to be,” he said.

Perhaps.

But that finish line seems a lot further away now that anyone could have imagined.

Who would have figured that would be the case when the Rams gathered in Irvine a month ago?

Hard to believe, but the way Keenum has played during training camp and, frankly, the way Goff hasn’t, only a worst-case scenario puts Goff and the field this year. That’s a situation the Rams not only want no part of, it’s something they simply can’t afford. Not in Los Angeles, St. Louis or anywhere else they could have called home.

The Rams need to win and Keenum gives them the best chance to do that.

They need to finally pull away from the 7-9 mediocrity they’ve been mired in the last few years and it’s Keenum, not Goff, the most capable of making that happen.

“It’s going to take time,” Fisher said of the process to get Goff ready to play significant snaps.

That might be hard to swallow for some.

A couple months ago you’d have gotten a few angry looks and some choice words for even suggesting such a thing.

L.A. beamed when the Rams moved up to the first overall pick to land the franchise quarterback that’s eluded them for more than a decade. They aren’t great at every position across the board, but they’re elite in some areas and more than enough capable in others. Put a better quarterback on the field and it changes everything.

Goff, it was assumed, would add to the Rams mix the very thing they’ve been missing.

Two things most of us missed: How far Goff really has to go to be a reliable NFL quarterback, and how hungry and determined Keenum was to fend off the rookie and hold onto the job he took control of over the last four games of last season.

Give Keenum credit, he won the job hands down. If he keeps it up, the Rams have a chance to turn the corner.

As for Goff, there’s no way you could have watched Thursday’s exhibition finale against the Vikings and walked away convinced he’s even remotely ready to take the field.

That’s as disappointing as it is obvious.

Making his first start of the exhibition season, Goff helped lead the Rams on a seven-play 62-yard touchdown drive to open the game, but it quickly deteriorated into a bunch of misfired passes and turnovers, culminating in a disastrous close to the first half in which he mishandled a perfectly delivered shot-gun snap from center to set the Vikings up at the Rams’ 7-yard line, then threw an interception on the next play to gift wrap the Vikings the ball at the Rams 28.

The Vikings thanked Goff by tacking on 10 points in just less than a minute to take a 13-7 lead into intermission.

Goff’s final line: 6 of 16 passing for 67 yards, one touchdown, a fumble, interception and a 45.6 QB rating.

It was every bit as bad as those stats suggest and it continued a disturbing trend of uneven play by Goff during training camp and the preseason.

“I was happy with how we started,” Goff said. “Obviously you want to finish the half better.”

You can argue some of the struggles were they result of playing alongside mostly back-ups and fringe roster players, this being the last preseason game and teams putting all their starters and key players in bubble wrap ahead of their season openers.

But that’s a two way street, isn’t it? He also was playing against a bunch of back-ups and fringe players.

The caliber of supporting cast and opponent had nothing to do with the passes that sailed high and wide past open receivers or dropping a snap that hit him square in the hands.

“I just took brought my eyes up, you can’t do it,” he said.

And it had very little to do with the poor throw he made on the subsequent screen pass, only for it to get tipped into the air by defensive end Justin Trattou and into the hands of defensive tackle Tom Johnson for an easy interception.

That was all on Goff.

From the get go, the Rams preached patience with their rookie quarterback. At this point that’s no longer even a decision.

The Rams have no choice anymore than to wait.

And it looks like it might be longer than anyone imagined.
 

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One thing lost in all this was the major improvement of both Keenum and Mannion. Agreed Keenum is limited (only in arm strength) but he has some athletisim in the pocket and because his wife is smart, so is he! Love her testing Keenum on the playbook on Hard Knocks, my trophy bride of twenty five years this month always knew the playbook better than I and I wrote it.

Anyway Keenum offers mistake free football and Mannion offers the bigger arm and when Goff is ready, he'll be the best overall. Respect all and fear none Gentlemen, the QB position is in great hands in the city of angles and like pitching, you can never have too much of it!
 

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I understand this may be hard for the people who are pro Goff on this board to fathom, but its the undeniable truth. He isnt ready, yet... Plain and simple no ifs ands or buts about it.
 

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I understand this may be hard for the people who are pro Goff on this board to fathom, but its the undeniable truth. He isnt ready, yet... Plain and simple no ifs ands or buts about it.

I can post all of the QBs who weren't "ready" based on the preseason that ended up playing well as rookies. But it seems pointless at this juncture. People will believe what they want to believe.
 

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Woah Nellie! Goff needs seasoning but that was to be expected. I wanted Wentz because he could pick up the playbook faster, is a bigger man, and actually took a good portion of his snaps under center. He got hurt in the pre season so both their ceilings have yet to be revealed. I NEVER expected Jared to be ready week 1 and Snead even detailed how his former pick, Matty Ice came from a more translatable system. Still, Fisher claimed the "goal" was to get Goff ready to start week 1.

But Jared has skill and tools that you can't coach. His movement in the pocket, fearlessness when hanging through the rush, accuracy when he KNOWS where he wants to place the ball, and arm strength/touch are potentially elite. Would you prefer Jim Everett who started strong but faded over time or Aaron Rodgers who developed over time? Yes, I compared him to Rodgers though he may never reach that precipice. Let's not forget, douchebag Tom Brady didn't get his shot until Bledsoe got hurt. Do Pats fans really care that Brady wasn't ready week 1 of his long career? Would any of them say he wouldn't have been worth trading a draft or two to acquire?

My point? Let's not judge this kid ONLY on his pre season production. He did some things very well. He struggled with other things. At this stage, so did Kurt Warner. In retrospect, would you have spent a #1 on Warner even if he needed time? Well, some claim you only do so IF he can produce immediately. Frankly, I support the more mature response Fisher has...even though I didn't agree w the pick.

Some of us really need to back away from the ledge... Jared Goff WILL become a franchise QB. Sorry it's not happening quickly enough for many of you. I thought it would be like this when we drafted him.
 
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If he were drafted in the late round he would be cut today because of the way he's played. That's the sad part .
 

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If he were drafted in the late round he would be cut today because of the way he's played. That's the sad part .

Interesting theory. Basically the reason why they may be keeping him because of the energy and time they put into acquiring him.
 

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I get the optimism for everyone claiming Goff will be fine riding the bench the rest of the season and "learning" on the sideline. But honestly, when have Fisher and his coaches ever been able to make anything out of the quarterback position? Please, answer that question.

You honestly think that Fisher is doing Goff a service by sitting him on the bench? Goff is not learning behind Brett Favre and being coached up by an offensive mind like McCarthy. He's learning from Case Keenum and Sean Mannion, two guys that have proven nothing in the NFL. Keenum looks like a decent game managing backup, not even near the caliber of guys like Eli, Stafford or even Ryan. But Mannion rode the bench and looks good right? Yeah, against 3rd string scrubs that probably won't be on an NFL roster in the next 24 hours. And Goff being coached up by Jeff Fisher and Rob Boras...? Certainly no McCarthy.

I think us Goff supporters understand that he isn't ready RIGHT NOW, but when will he be ready when we don't have anyone worthwhile coaching and teaching him. Weinke and Groh are supposed to be QB whisperers but can't get a word in with Fisher at the helm. I feel sorry for the kid and I feel his talent is going to be wasted on this team with Fisher coaching it. It's a pathetic situation really.
 
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Interesting theory. Basically the reason why they may be keeping him because of the energy and time they put into acquiring him.
We all know better than that but he has shown absolutely nothing so far . He reminds me of a camp body so far .
 

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I really hope they've shelved talks about the contract extension until after the season...
 

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If he were drafted in the late round he would be cut today because of the way he's played. That's the sad part .

I don't think so, at least I hope not. If Goff was taken in the 4th round or later and the team cut him it would mean they were really blind to what he could do. That's the point of taking young players, development, you look at what they are capable of doing in the future. It's painfully obvious that the only thing holding Goff back from being the starter is the fact he hasn't yet grasped the playbook/speed of the NFL in general. That's something that you can easily teach, and if our coaching staff missed that they would have no business coaching at the NFL level.
 

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Well, while we're at it, Kansas City just cut Aaron Murray. Maybe we should sign him to be #3 and put Goff on the practice squad...
 

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They need to finally pull away from the 7-9 mediocrity they’ve been mired in the last few years and it’s Keenum, not Goff, the most capable of making that happen.

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FWIW, Keenum's preseason QB rating is 111.1
Good for 6th behind:
Bridgewater
D.Prescott
Roethlesberger
Connor Shaw
A. Rodgers

He has played well. This is his first training camp/preseason as "the guy" too. I doubt he's received very much pro coaching up to this point.... so i'm going to try to stay positive going into the first quarter of the season.
 

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I feel sorry for the kid and I feel his talent is going to be wasted on this team with Fisher coaching it. It's a pathetic situation really.

Smelled it million miles away when Goff was drafted. Said I felt sorry about being paired with DELETED

Did Sam no favors. Will do Goff no favors in actually preparing him. If DELETED could run 5 RBs at the same time, he would. He's totally clueless about the passing game and no matter who is brought in, he'll never relinquish control on how shit is done. It's his way. And so goes the mediocrity.

It's absolutely hilarious. Just effing hilarious. I can envision Keenum falling flat on his face, again, against the Whiners in a few short days. Gonna be another Monday Night Football Shitshow.

Moderator's note: knock this shit off. Keep using derogatory terms toward those currently with the organization and find yourself watching from the outside.
 
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Smelled it million miles away when Goff was drafted. Said I felt sorry about being paired with .

Did Sam no favors. Will do Goff no favors in actually preparing him. If could run 5 RBs at the same time, he would. He's totally clueless about the passing game and no matter who is brought in, he'll never relinquish control on how crap is done. It's his way. And so goes the mediocrity.

It's absolutely hilarious. Just effing hilarious. I can envision Keenum falling flat on his face, again, against the Whiners in a few short days. Gonna be another Monday Night Football Shitshow.
:ROFLMAO:
 
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I'm serious. If he wouldn't get laughed outta the league (as if he isn't already) he would. He'd have Gurley. With Tavon behind him. Then he'd have 2 RBs on the line. One split wide, one in the slot. He'd go for an all RB attacked of midgets.
 

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I'm serious. If he wouldn't get laughed outta the league (as if he isn't already) he would. He'd have Gurley. With Tavon behind him. Then he'd have 2 RBs on the line. One split wide, one in the slot. He'd go for an all RB attacked of midgets.
And it would be dubbed "The 'Stache Formation"
 

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No doubt Todd Haley would take this as a HC job as well. So frustrating being a fan of this team :(