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The Rams and new defensive coordinator Brandon Staley have added two new pieces to his defense with the free agent signings of Lber Leonard Floyd and DT O"Shawn Robinson. The has been some differing opinions on where they will play. I was wondering if we learn more about the defense where Staley came from could we see where everyone is going to play. Also, it can give us a little insight into what/who the Rams need to draft.

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Durkin’s Playbook: Breaking Down Vic Fangio’s Defensive Scheme
January 22, 2015 at 1:45 pm
Filed Under:Aldon Smith, Chicago Bears, Dan Durkin, Durkin's Playbook, John Fox, Justin Smith, Recurrent, Vic Fangio

SAN FRANCISCO, CA - DECEMBER 30: Defensive Coordinator Vic Fangio of the San Francisco 49ers looks on during pre-game warm ups before their game against the Arizona Cardinals at Candlestick Park on December 30, 2012 in San Francisco, California. (Photo by Thearon W. Henderson/Getty Images)Vic Fangio. (Getty Images)

By Dan Durkin-

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(CBS) It’s impossible for the Bears to undo their recent history. The back-to-back seasons in which the defense allowed the most and second-most single-season points in franchise history will forever live in infamy. Former Bears general manager Phil Emery’s attempt to shift the paradigm and evolve into an offensive-oriented team was a failure.
New Bears general manager Ryan Pace, on the other hand, recognizes the team must get back to its roots.
“When you think about the Chicago Bears’ identity over the years,” Pace said, “it’s tough, physical defense, and we’re going to get back to that.”
True to his words, Pace went out and hired a defensive-minded head coach in John Fox, who then went on to hire Vic Fangio to coordinate the defense.
Fangio’s resume speaks for itself. He’s regarded as one of the league’s premier defensive coordinators and, judging by his recent history, is the ideal candidate to correct the course and align with Pace’s vision for the franchise.
Over the past four seasons in San Francisco, Fangio’s defenses ranked in the top five in yards allowed for four straight seasons and the top three in points allowed in three of the four seasons.
At its core, Fangio’s scheme is a 3-4 – also known as a “30-front” – predicated on brutally strong down linemen who can jar and occupy their opponent off the snap to not only keep inside linebackers clean but create single-block opportunities for outside linebackers to create pressure off the edge.
Behind this physical and instinctive defensive front, Fangio combines man and zone concepts – often on the same play – to create pre-snap confusion with the quarterback and give him a distorted image of what defense will actually unfold after the snap.


It’s not a foregone conclusion that the Bears will run a 3-4 under Fangio. Fox’s roots trace back to a 4-3 scheme, but starting in 2011 in Denver he began to run more 3-4 looks and evolved into somewhat of a hybrid scheme, which dovetails well with Fangio’s scheme that incorporates some 4-3 elements – primarily pre-snap alignments.

Recently, some Bears fans viewed a 3-4 scheme as a panacea. But that’s far from reality.
The core of the Bears’ previously dominant defense was built on a Tampa-2 foundation, which is diametrically opposed to a 3-4 in terms of the profile of athletes who are procured and deployed along the front. The Tampa-2 uses up-the-field one-gap shooters along the line and coverage droppers at the second level. A 3-4 uses two-gap space eaters up front and second-level run stuffers.

But given how bare the cupboard is on defense, there has never been a better time for the Bears to consider drastic change on defense from both a personnel and philosophical standpoint.
The advantages of a properly scouted, coached and executed 3-4 scheme can be vast.
By substituting a down lineman with a linebacker, defenses are able to raise the overall athleticism on the field. Finding traditional defensive ends to play in a 4-3 scheme (think Mario Williams) is both difficult and expensive, both in terms of draft position and eventual financial compensation.
At the collegiate ranks, there’s a larger number of linebackers and undersized defensive ends who can be converted to outside backers in a 3-4 (think Aldon Smith). In turn, this increases the pool of available talent, and it then becomes a matter of scouting departments identifying the right prospects who can be turned over to the coaching staff to for player development purposes.

From a schematic standpoint, a 3-4 affords flexibility to defensive coordinators both from an alignment and pressure standpoint.
When preparing for a 4-3 scheme, it’s nearly a foregone conclusion that all four down linemen will be a part of the rush. The challenge for the protection scheme then becomes deploying the proper rules on twists and stunts and identifying where second- and third-level pressure may come from. Within a 3-4, any of the four linebackers can easily be disguised and incorporated into the rush, which forces protection schemes to account for all – or none – of them on any given play.
Let’s step into the film room and take a closer look at Fangio’s scheme.
Here’s an example from the Eagles game. The Eagles come out in “12” (one running back, two tight end) personnel in a unit gun formation with LeSean McCoy offset to the left of Nick Foles.
On base downs (think first and second down or against “21” or “12” offensive personnel), Fangio typically uses 3-4 personnel in a 4-0-4 front. What is the significance of 4-0-4, you ask? It’s the technique of the defensive linemen. (Click here for a column I previously wrote about techniques, gaps and alignments. You might want to bookmark it.)
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The three down linemen play two-gap responsibility, which means they’re attacking the player they’re lined up across from (opposed to one-gap, where defensive linemen attack the space in between offensive linemen), reading his leverage and occupying the immediate gaps to their left and right. The four-technique ends attack the offensive tackles, while the zero-technique attacks the center.

Like a 4-3, a 3-4 has a middle (Mike), weak-side (Will) and strong-side (Sam) linebacker, but it adds in a second inside linebacker known as a “Jack” backer. Typically the Jack backer is lined up to the open or weak side of the offensive formation and assumes more coverage responsibilities. The Jack backer is typically substituted for when the defense goes to nickel (five defensive backs).

The two inside linebackers line up over the uncovered offensive linemen – known as the “bubble” – in a 20-technique and read their post-snap keys. The first key is the running back, the second key is reading the helmet level of the offensive guard and the third is any offset alignment by a back. On run downs, they can fill the hole, spill the play from inside to out or scrape over the top of the pile to set an outside edge.
The outside linebackers play the most crucial role in Fangio’s scheme, not only from an athletic standpoint but from a recognition standpoint as well. Because they’re playing closer to the line of scrimmage, their reaction time must be nearly instantaneous. First, they must recognize the type of block they’re getting, then engage the blocker while keeping eyes in the backfield.
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Against the pass, outside backers are used both in the rush package (typically the Will), as well as in coverage drops. The Will backer must engage his blocker – in many cases a tight end – read and disrupt his release.
If the tight end releases on a route and the Will backer is part of the rush, he must disrupt the release by getting his hands on his foe, then fixing his eyes on the setup of the tackle as he squeezes down the edge.

The Sam backer is typically a D-gap player in Fangio’s scheme who plays with force to set the edge against the run to force the ball-carrier back inside.

Fangio does show some elements of a 4-3 scheme with pre-snap alignments. He’s deployed over and under fronts, with the difference being the end man on the line of scrimmage is playing from a two-point stance.

Here’s an example of a 3-4 under front from Fangio, with defensive end Justin Smith playing a 3/4i-technique to the open or weak side of the formation, and the Will backer playing in a nine-technique from a two-point stance.

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From this alignment, Fangio has given Smith – and other ends – both one- and two-gap responsibilities, but primarily his down linemen play with two-gap technique.

Behind these fronts, Fangio is fond of mixing his coverages, playing both man and zone principles with his underneath and deep defenders.

This example from the Cowboys game shows the 49ers in a single-high, six-underneath look, which typically signals zone to a quarterback. But in this case, Fangio is playing with man technique on the outside while the linebackers play zone in the middle as the single-high free safety lurks, reading the eyes and shoulders of the quarterback.
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This coverage gives Tony Romo the illusion of zone, but it’s actually man, causing him to pause with throws to the perimeter as defenders squeeze down on his receivers.
In terms of pressure, Fangio doesn’t dial up many exotic blitzes. Instead, he relies on his down linemen to occupy blockers so his edge rushers can win single-block opportunities.
The Bears have some players along their defensive front who have experience playing in a 3-4 scheme — Lamarr Houston, Jeremiah Ratliff, Cornelius Washington and Shea McClellin.
However, independent of scheme, the Bears need a significant infusion of new (and preferably young) talent on defense. In a way, that’s good, as a switch to 3-4 would only change the profile of athlete Pace and his staff need to scout for.
Fangio’s hire signals a new commitment from the organization to match the rhetoric of becoming a legitimate contender. With more human talent in place on the coaching staff, now it’s time to get more where it really matters — on the field.
Dan Durkin covers the Bears for CBSChicago.com and is a frequent contributor to 670 The Score. Follow him on Twitter at @djdurkin.




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Vic Fangio’s Defensive Scheme

by Mike Flannery5 years ago Follow @MikeFlannery_
The Bears have officially hired Vic Fangio as their new defensive coordinator. I covered Fangio’s resume in an earlier post and now I will take a look at the defensive scheme he used in San Francisco, at Stanford, and at most of the other stops throughout his 24 year NFL career. It’s certainly possible that Fangio will ditch his usual scheme for something that better fits the Bears talent, but based on his track record I believe he will implement the scheme he’s had so much success with recently. I will be posting a position-by-position breakdown of how the current Bears fit in his scheme tomorrow, but for now I will cover the specifics of his defensive philosophy.

Before I get started on the details of his scheme, it’s important to grasp just how successful Fangio’s 49er defense was while he was at the helm. In Fangio’s first three seasons (2011-13), the 49ers were the only team in the NFL to finish in the top 5 in points allowed (16.1), rushing yards allowed per game (89.1), average yards per rush (3.7), 1st downs allowed (835), opposing QB rating (76), total yards allowed per game (306.5), plays allowed of 20+ yards (147), takeaways (93), and 3rd down conversion percentage (34.1%). Everyone knows the Niners had a great defense the last few years, but the stats show just how dominant it really was. For reference sake, the 49ers had the 16th ranked defense in the season before Fangio took over as DC. He took a mediocre defense and made it great right away. If he can take the Bears pathetic defense and make it just mediocre by next year, Fangio will be considered a miracle worker.


It’s widely perceived that Fangio’s Niners ran a 3-4 scheme, but that’s not entirely accurate. Occasionally his defense lined up in a traditional 3-4 alignment on obvious run plays, but the majority of the time they ran a 4-3 under scheme. The 4-3 under has been gaining popularity based on the success of proponents like the Seahawks, Broncos, and of course Fangio’s 49ers. At it’s core his scheme is a 4-3 under, but Fangio has made a few modifications that make it unique. The best description of the way Fangio runs his scheme is a 3-4/4-3 hybrid, but I will do my best to explain it in detail below. I’m not a football coach and am still learning the nuances of the more complex schemes in the league, so if you see any mistakes or can add some clarification please do so in the comments.


As I mentioned earlier Fangio’s Niners appeared to run a traditional 3-4 scheme which is due to the fact that he uses 3-4 personnel, but he deploys them in a 4-3 under scheme. In a traditional 3-4 there is a nose tackle (NT) that lines up over the center and two defensive ends (DE) that line up directly across from the opposing tackles (see above). Each player is responsible for the gaps on either side of them.



In Fangio’s scheme, the NT (#90 above) lines up off the center’s shoulder on the strong-side (same side as TE) and is only responsible for the gap in front of him. This requires a different type of NT as opposed to the classic space-eater used in standard 3-4 schemes. The NT in Fangio’s scheme needs to have the quickness to beat interior lineman off the snap and the strength to hold his ground against double-teams in the run game. I’ll get into how the current Bears fit in Fangio’s scheme in my next post.

The DEs in a 3-4 are normally run-stoppers who focus on occupying two blockers, clogging run lanes, and eventually pressuring QBs if the coverage holds. In Fangio’s scheme one of the DEs moves inside to the 3-tech DT position. The 3-tech DT (#91) lines up between the guard and tackle on the weak side and is ideally the D-line’s best pass rusher. The 3-tech DT’s responsibility is to generate interior pressure on pass plays and get in the backfield to disrupt the running game. The 3rd D-lineman in Fangio’s scheme (#94) is close to a standard 3-4 DE but usually shades the strong-side tackle’s outside shoulder. The 5-tech DE’s role requires the ability to hold his ground against the run despite frequent double teams. If the DE can force a double team it frees up the lanes on either side of him for the linebackers. Justin Smith has handled this role the last few seasons and is a special player who was a key factor in the success of Fangio’s D. It is a stretch to think any DE on the Bears roster has the ability to even be a poor man’s Smith, but a healthy Lamarr Houston has the talent to be effective if he gains weight.

The outside linebackers in Fangio’s scheme have two distinct roles. The OLBs basically rotate between stand-up defensive ends and run-stoppers with occasional zone coverage responsibilities depending on which side the TE lines up on. The strong-side OLB (whatever side the TE lines up on) will jam the TE and then drop back into a short zone on pass plays to defend against slants, screens, etc, or maintain the edge on a run play. The weak-side OLB (opposite side of TE) will move up to the line of scrimmage to be a stand-up DE (4th D-lineman) and his role is to rush the QB. The Niners used Aldon Smith and Ahmad Brooks at OLB and they are both excellent pass rushers who are athletic enough to either pressure the QB as a stand-up DE or drop back in short zone coverage if they are on the strong-side. Fangio doesn’t ask his OLBs to cover anyone man-to-man which opens up the position to players who would be considered tweeners in standard 4-3 or 3-4 schemes. Here is an example of the LB roles on a standard pass play:

The strong-side OLB jams the TE and then drops into a short coverage zone, while the strong-side ILB (Willis or Bowman) covers the TE, the weak-side ILB either covers the RB or blitzes, and the weak-side OLB attacks the QB from the stand-up DE position.


The inside linebackers do have more coverage responsibility than in a standard 3-4 and are also asked to blitz occasionally. Most 3-4 schemes look for at least one big run-stuffer inside, but Fangio’s scheme required elite athleticism from both his ILBs since they will often cover TEs or RBs. They also have inside gap responsibility vs the run and will occasionally switch to OLB in certain alignments, so they need to be elite athletes who can cover, stop the run, and get to the QB. In San Fran ILBs Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman were both high-level athletes and All-Pro players. The Bears obviously don’t have LBs on that level, so this is one area where Fangio may have to adjust his scheme.

Most Bears fans have seen enough of the cover 2 scheme, but Fangio’s 49er teams ran cover 2 fairly often. He also ran plenty of press coverage and bump-and-run, so at least there will be some variety in the coverage schemes this year. Due to his preference for press coverage, the Bears will be looking for big physical corners who can play zone, contribute against the run, and obviously press cover. Four of the seven CBs on the Niners roster last year were 6 foot tall or over and none were shorter than 5’10. Fangio seems to prefer big corners who can slow up receivers at the line but still have the ability to drop back into zone coverage. That makes one of the Bears starting CBs, 5’8 Tim Jennings, somewhat of a bad fit but I will cover that in more detail tomorrow.

Fangio likes his safeties to be interchangeable. That will be hard with the Bears current roster since none of the current safeties are starting-caliber at either position. On early downs Fangio likes to have the strong safety in the box, but he disguises it well and occasionally moves the free safety into the box instead.

Another key difference between the normal 4-3 under scheme and Vic Fangio’s version is versatility. He requires most of his defenders to play multiple positions on all three levels of the defense. Fangio would often switch Smith and Ray McDonald between the 3-tech and 5-tech positions based on match-ups. The NT is locked in place but the other two D-lineman need to be able to switch spots, his OLBs need to be able to play stand-up DE, his ILBs need to be able to play OLB at times, and his two starting safeties need to be interchangeable. Fangio’s defense thrives on the ability to change their scheme at any time and disguise what they are doing pre-snap. Without versatile players his disguised alignments will be more transparent. Fangio’s consistently changing schemes are going to be a welcome addition to Bears fans who are used to watching the same defensive alignment over and over again (good riddance Mel!).

Fangio is great at confusing offenses with disguised coverages and adjusting his schemes on a play-to-play basis. It will take some creative moves by new GM Ryan Pace to give Fangio players with the versatility and talent that he needs to implement his scheme. The Bears lack of overall defensive talent could force Fangio to change his usual scheme, but it’s too early to tell with free agency and the draft still ahead. I’ll be covering how the Bears current roster fits into Fangio’s scheme in my next post. Improvement isn’t going to happen overnight, but at least the Bears now have a legitimate defensive coordinator running the squad. If anyone can get the Bears defense back to it’s Monsters of the Midway heyday, it’s Vic Fangio.
 

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Thanks for putting those up always love reading the articles with the x's and o's.

Re: the two gap tendencies I think it is very unlikely we play too much of it. Donald for example two gapping adversely affects his speed and penetration, so maybe on some downs where they're reading heavy run. Or if we're facing an offense like the Ravens. And that might be why they went and got Robinson to help stock those DL spots with guys who can do that.

Looking at our ILBs it seems like we're going to be subbing our asses off on third down this season. Unless they draft a guy like Chinn at 52 or one of those guys like Murray or Queen slide to us which is unlikely.

IMO the Rams never really went out and got 3-4 DL after the changeover a few years back and that's half the problem. Brock was always a little light in the physicality department. Donald produces a ton of lateral movement and can run himself out of plays at times. NT sort of emerged for us last season with SJD but still the physical strength of our DL as an entire unit has been subpar.

And re: this draft the prob is 5T options aren't the greatest, not a lot of the tall/rangy types you'd want ideally. I've cooled on them considerably the more I watch tape. Some guys who could help us certainly but like with Davis who slots in roughly around that 52 range he's got the right size/length but other questions and concerns.
 

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Re: the two gap tendencies I think it is very unlikely we play too much of it. Donald for example two gapping adversely affects his speed and penetration, so maybe on some downs where they're reading heavy run. Or if we're facing an offense like the Ravens. And that might be why they went and got Robinson to help stock those DL spots with guys who can do that.


I read somewhere that the NT and 5T can still play 2 gap with Donald pushing more upfield. Read a number of different articles.

Looking at our ILBs it seems like we're going to be subbing our asses off on third down this season. Unless they draft a guy like Chinn at 52 or one of those guys like Murray or Queen slide to us which is unlikely.

Seems light for a ILBer. Listed at 221 Lbs. If he can gain 10Lbs that would help. A much faster Littleton? I like his speed. Need to watch some video on his tackling. This defense calls for versatile LBers. He could fit the bill.

And re: this draft the prob is 5T options aren't the greatest, not a lot of the tall/rangy types you'd want ideally. I've cooled on them considerably the more I watch tape. Some guys who could help us certainly but like with Davis who slots in roughly around that 52 range he's got the right size/length but other questions and concerns.

I read where Fangio challenged Akeem Hicks to run and play harder. I think Staley will be challenging Robinson. Robinson did play some 5T in college. Davis could be a good choice to add to the line to hold at the point of attack. I think the defensive lineman can be moved around depending on who they are playing against.

As much as you want offensive line help the Rams also can use help with the front seven. It's all about the running game to start with.
 

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That second article read like a description of Wade's defense. I should do a find and replace on Fangio for Wade, post it in another thread and see if anyone can tell.
 

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I read somewhere that the NT and 5T can still play 2 gap with Donald pushing more upfield. Read a number of different articles.
That's exactly what I was expecting, NT and 5T still can play 2 gap. Donald may yet be playing one gap, and he's still going to draw double (maybe triple) teams, but it does mean that you want a linebacker shooting those gaps who can shed blocks?

I just hope that overall we should see an improvement with run defense.
 

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That's exactly what I was expecting, NT and 5T still can play 2 gap. Donald may yet be playing one gap, and he's still going to draw double (maybe triple) teams, but it does mean that you want a linebacker shooting those gaps who can shed blocks?

I just hope that overall we should see an improvement with run defense.


Staley can't take away Donald's attacking mode (at least not most of the time). I'm trying to figure out the base defense as far as the LBers who will start and where. I know Walters is not a go-to but, they have this on their depth chart. They moved Floyd inside with Kiser. Lawler and Ebukam on the outside. Lawler is bigger and should play the run better as would Kiser. Kiser can be used as a switch up pass rusher which he was good at in college. Floyd can do the same. Floyd covers the RBs and Kiser tries to stay with the TEs. The LBers may play more zone depending.

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Any scheme that doesn't allow Donald get after the QB, is wrong. Let's hope this coach knows that.