Anybody else getting antsy waiting to see potential Staley packages this year?

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Think McVay May get ‘exotic’ with Akers/Hendo?

Or Higbee/Everett/Hopkins?

Woods/Kupp/Jefferson?

Or mixes and matches of all of the above? Well, sure, but can you imagine what Staley’s cooking up with these toys?

AD
Brockers
ARob
Floyd
Lewis
Ebu
Obo
Kiser
Young
Ramsey
Hill
Burgess
Long
Williams
Rapp
JJ

Fuhgeddaboudit...

Depending on field position, down, and distance we may see ‘secondaries’ ranging from 4 to 7 players! And blitzes coming from all kinds of different directions at different times. Truly a nightmare of versatility and unpredictability to confuse opposing QB’s.

That is a buttload of D talent in the hands of a young and aggressive DC. I think that this situation is what McVay kinda had in mind when he was bouncing off the walls after the Staley hire.

Can’t wait.
 

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I, for one, am excited to see our outside linebackers. I expect Leonard Floyd to take a fair few snaps inside (and Natrez Patrick a few snaps on the outside, maybe?), but Samson Ebukam, Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Terrell Lewis, and Jachai Polite could form an amazing outside linebacker group.

The inside linebacker group is going to feature some of the best competition for what seems to be five spots: Travin Howard, Micah Kiser, Natrez Patrick, Kenny Young, and - my sleeper pick - Christian Rozeboom getting the primary snaps with Clay Johnston being IRed much like Okoronkwo was in his rookie season.

Add in Aaron Donald being Aaron Donald, a re-signed Jalen Ramsey, a healthy John Johnson III, a savvy Taylor Rapp, a welcome sight in Michael Brockers, a big nose tackle in A'Shawn Robinson, an improved David Long, an ascending Darious Williams, two solid rotational linemen in Sebastian Joseph-Day and Greg Gaines, the oft-forgotten-yet-always-steady Troy Hill, and an interesting rookie in Terrell Burgess, and I am truly fucking stoked about our defense.
 
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This is exactly what I have been thinking.

Maybe I am just overvaluing the players we have and/or have added.

But I feel like through out the defense we can be very multiple.

It's like when Mcvay was hired the offense was 'make you cover every blade of grass'

It feels like the defense is shifting to a close philosophy but it's more like 'where is it coming from' (also they have AD and Ramsey)
 

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https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/29/nfl-rams-defense-brandon-staley-offseason/


Brandon Staley's presence already felt with Rams' offseason additions


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Cameron DaSilva

One of the biggest changes the Los Angeles Rams underwent this offseason was the switch they made at defensive coordinator. Wade Phillips was let go, and Sean McVay replaced him with Brandon Staley, the former outside linebackers coach of the Bears and Broncos.


Staley doesn’t have any defensive coordinator experience in the NFL, but McVay is confident he can turn around a defense that features a lot of talent, but lacked inconsistency last year. And with Staley calling the shots on defense, McVay is able to work more closely with him when it comes to adjusting the scheme on a weekly basis.


Staley’s system won’t be fully implemented for a while, but his voice in the Rams’ building has already been heard. Les Snead said this week that Staley is part of the reason the team drafted Terrell Lewis at No. 84 overall and signed Leonard Floyd in free agency.


Both players boast great length on the edge, which fits what Staley wants in his outside linebackers.


“In a nuanced way, with Brandon Staley, our new defensive coordinator, he definitely likes long players on the edge and that’s one of the reasons we signed Leonard Floyd, who had been with Brandon when he was coaching with Vic Fangio in Chicago,” Snead said on SiriusXM NFL Radio. “But this guy brings length and width, along with that pretty salty short-area explosiveness, and that’s probably one of the reasons he disturbed the QB a good bit.”


Lewis was surprisingly available at No. 84 overall after he was projected by many to go in the second round. It would’ve been reasonable for the Rams to take him at 52 or 57, but they took a chance that he’d be there in the third round, and it paid off.


“We were jacked to see big Terrell fall to 84,” Snead said. “I know he could’ve gone a little before us but that’s how the draft works out. And I know some of the medical issues that he had early there at Alabama probably did stunt or maybe hinder his going earlier.”


Lewis and Floyd aren’t the only players with Staley’s fingerprints all over them. They’re just the most obvious, since Staley is a former outside linebackers coach.


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Terrell Burgess, the Rams’ other third-round pick, also fits the mold of Staley’s defense. Burgess has a closer body type to Chris Harris Jr. – who covered the slot for the Broncos under Staley and Fangio – than he does Nickell Robey-Coleman, who the Rams moved on from this offseason. The Broncos also liked Justin Simmons’ ability to cover the slot in addition to playing safety, which is similar role to the one Burgess could play in 2020.


“Terrell’s just a versatile player,” Snead said. “Been a corner and a receiver there and a safety this year. The way the NFL is going with five and six DBs on the field, we felt this guy was one of those players that could play safety but also come down in the slot and play corner and give you versatility in those five- and six-DB packages that a lot of us are running in the NFL.”


Staley emphasized the importance of versatility in the secondary and along the defensive line earlier this offseason, and the Rams’ moves have unsurprisingly matched that sentiment.


“That’s something you’ll probably hear me talk about a lot, having the versatility to play any place in the front, any place in the back,” Staley said in March, via the team’s official site. “We’re fortunate that we have that here, guys that have played a lot of roles. Groups that are connected, (because) those groups depend on each other a lot.”


John Johnson, Taylor Rapp and Burgess can all play either safety spot, and all of them can match up with tight ends, too. And with the Rams’ current group of cornerbacks, they can all essentially move around anywhere in the secondary without having to change the scheme much.


On the defensive line, it’s a similar story. A’Shawn Robinson, who the Rams signed this year, can play nose tackle, defensive end and 3-technique, giving the Rams ample options on the defensive line. The same goes for Sebastian Joseph-Day, as well as Michael Brockers.


So while Staley may be young, inexperienced and in his first year with the Rams, it’s already become evident that he has a say in the team’s personnel on defense.
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I think that we're going to see a lot of different packages and formations. We got to see some different ones under Wade, but there's depth and versatility on this defense now. There's pass rushers, run stuffers, zone, man, all around, all world types on this defense now. And our DC was hired because he's adaptable rather than strictly scheme based. I think we're going to see games and situations where our depth guys are utilized more. When we play teams like ARZ or SEA I can see a front consisting of Floyd, Brockers, SJD, Robinson, Lewis. All of those guys are 6'4+ with long arms, a lot of batted passes.
 

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That is a buttload of D talent in the hands of a young and aggressive DC. I think that this situation is what McVay kinda had in mind when he was bouncing off the walls after the Staley hire.

Our defense and how it changes from Wade... it’s got me excited.

The talent mix is very nice.
 

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I like the young, long list of capable talent all over this defense. Somebody or 2 is going to be great.
We have the best DLer and best CB in the league surrounded by a deep stable of versatile and talented young guys.
 

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As long as young positions play solid our defense will be very good. We need someone to step up in the ILB spot.
 

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I think we all overthink the need for ILB (myself included). Here, IMO, are the Rams defensive players ranked:

1. Donald
2. Ramsey
3. JJ
4. Floyd
5. Rapp
6. Brockers
7. Robinson
8. Hill
9. Ebukam
10. Burgess
11. Lewis
12. Long
13. Obo
14. Gaines
15. SJD

Now, this is arbitrary and happens to be my opinion - but there is a large drop off between 3 and 4, but virtually no drop off from 4-9 - then Burgess and Lewis project to be pretty good, and we get into more of the unknowns. Kiser would probably be around 16 along with Williams. But I wanted to stop before hitting an ILB to illustrate a point: we can opt to just put the best 11 players on the field, like this:

S - Burgess and JJ
CB - Ramsey and Hill
SCB - Long
ILB - Floyd and Rapp
DL/EDGE - Lewis/Brockers/Donald/Ebukam

Look at the flexibility that could bring: Floyd could blitz, Rapp could drop back, Burgess and Long can switch places after the snap - in the base defense we are obviously going to focus on stopping the run with Robinson, Kiser, Gaines and/or SJD if needed - and whoever wins the other ILB spot for early downs.

But in crunch time, look at that lineup above - you have two rookies who the Rams are getting a ton of praise for drafting, 8 proven starters, and then Long who shows promise. If Travin Howard improves, he can be the ILB on passing downs and Floyd can go where Lewis currently is. This defense is going to have a ton of flexibility, and IMO the idea is going to be stop the run early and then switch over to this type of package, which should be an elite 3rd down defense.
 

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If we get bulldozed off the LOS with any measure of consistency, it's going to be a long season (assuming we have one). I am hopeful with the acquisition of Robinson and re-signing of Brockers we can field a good rotation up front. It is hard to know what A'Shawn will bring on a regular basis. Stopping the run is paramount. If not, no matter how well our D might perform in the first half limiting points, come the 3rd quarter and beyond, it will be extremely hard slogging. I don't know if our current defensive roster possesses the physicality to stuff the run consistently over the course of 4 quarters. If we can, we've got a good shot at the playoffs - even more so with the extra playoff game. If Staley lives up to McVay's expectations, we could be pleasantly surprised.

Conversely on O, we must run the ball successfully and keep the chains moving. If not, well, everyone here knows that drill. No convincing play action, and more 3 & outs for our O. I am cautiously optimistic our O-line having played together more last year, will show improvement particularly when run blocking. Give that new kid Akers a crease and ....

I am excited to see our D play, especially with the addition of both Robinson and Brockers. I was bummed to see Michael leave. Getting him back IMO is a real bonus. I am aware there are folks here who perhaps think otherwise; however, he's familiar with playing next to AD, and the other defensive guys, plus he keeps himself in good shape. Staley will likely get better production out of him - I'm sure that's what McVay is counting on ..
 

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“That’s something you’ll probably hear me talk about a lot, having the versatility to play any place in the front, any place in the back,” Staley said in March, via the team’s official site. “We’re fortunate that we have that here, guys that have played a lot of roles. Groups that are connected, (because) those groups depend on each other a lot.”

Not exactly the same thing, but reminds me a bit of Kromer's cross-training philosophy. I'm sure being familiar with the roles of those around you helps with comprehension of your own role.
 

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I think we all overthink the need for ILB (myself included). Here, IMO, are the Rams defensive players ranked:

1. Donald
2. Ramsey
3. JJ
4. Floyd
5. Rapp
6. Brockers
7. Robinson
8. Hill
9. Ebukam
10. Burgess
11. Lewis
12. Long
13. Obo
14. Gaines
15. SJD

Now, this is arbitrary and happens to be my opinion - but there is a large drop off between 3 and 4, but virtually no drop off from 4-9 - then Burgess and Lewis project to be pretty good, and we get into more of the unknowns. Kiser would probably be around 16 along with Williams. But I wanted to stop before hitting an ILB to illustrate a point: we can opt to just put the best 11 players on the field, like this:

S - Burgess and JJ
CB - Ramsey and Hill
SCB - Long
ILB - Floyd and Rapp
DL/EDGE - Lewis/Brockers/Donald/Ebukam

Look at the flexibility that could bring: Floyd could blitz, Rapp could drop back, Burgess and Long can switch places after the snap - in the base defense we are obviously going to focus on stopping the run with Robinson, Kiser, Gaines and/or SJD if needed - and whoever wins the other ILB spot for early downs.

But in crunch time, look at that lineup above - you have two rookies who the Rams are getting a ton of praise for drafting, 8 proven starters, and then Long who shows promise. If Travin Howard improves, he can be the ILB on passing downs and Floyd can go where Lewis currently is. This defense is going to have a ton of flexibility, and IMO the idea is going to be stop the run early and then switch over to this type of package, which should be an elite 3rd down defense.

I like the breakdown you put together here of the talent on the roster and I agree that it's about the best 11 based on down and distance. Your breakdown also made it apparent that there are a lot of hybrid players on our roster. That said, the development of CB Long is probably the lynchpin of our defense, given that all of our Safeties have pedestrian speed and can't make up for lapses in coverage.
 

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Last year Brockers was not strong at the POA and all too often would get caught up in the traffic. It was a big reason the Rams allowed him to walk. Now he's back as a 2 year bridge player. When he was originally re-signed I was puzzled as to why. But now I see it was to be that bridge for Terrell Lewis. Lewis is good but he's far from a finished product of being a complete player. Now he has 2 years to strengthen, and develop his technique. His major flaw is a lack of functional strength allowing him to set a hard edge, and to stack and shed. Watching his film it's clear he must win immediately or he gets stalled and his hand play is subpar allowing good OT's to keep him at bay. That said, Lewis has clear upsides with a tremendous ceiling. With guys like AD and Floyd as mentors I think he will be just fine if he stays healthy. IMO he has the talent to be a top edge in the NFL.

As a second year player last year, Okoronkwo flashed but not enough IMO. That is why Lewis was drafted. Okoronkwo looks to be at this point simply a backup going forward. If he doesn't improve he won't get a second contract.

Although listed as a OLB Justin Lawler IMO isn't going to make this team. He's bulked up and now he has the physical traits you want in an OLB except one. As a rookie he was 20 lbs lighter than he is now. Back then he ran a horrid 5.0 in the 40. Now he's heavier and so IMO he's probably running closer to 6.0 which is unacceptable. Part of being an OLB is coverage and running a 5.0 when he was 20 lbs lighter meant there was no way he could cover RBs and TE's. Heck OL could out run him.

Natrez Patrick is another OLB who is small for the position in terms of length and weight, but worse he is also painfully slow for a LB running a 4.97, not much faster than Lawler meaning he's a liability in coverage.

A lot was made of Clay Johnston but in reality he's undersized for even a ILB. He lacks speed for coverages running about the same as Littleton who could only play zone. I see him playing behind Kiser but in reality his role is probably on STs.

I think Okoronkwo is the most likely to be moved outside to play behind Ebukam and learn the SAM position. But in reality his lack of speed will be a problem for him when it comes to coverage. Lewis can play both edges, and OLB. I think he will be the primary backup for both Floyd and Brockers and see him getting significant snaps this year.

I think the LB positions look like this right now:

MLB - Kiser, Reeder, Johnston
MO - Young, Howard
OLB - Ebukam, Okoronkwo
Edge- Floyd, Lewis

IMO the drafting of Burgess shows that the Rams probably won't re-sign John Johnson. Johnson is playing out of position as a FS and he really doesn't have the speed to play that position. Burgess has the speed and frankly the play recognition skills lacking in Johnson. I see Burgess playing slot CB this year then transitioning to FS when Johnson is allowed to walk. Johnson is good enough as a SS that he will get signed quickly. In fact he would have been good trade bait.

SS - Rapp, Fuller, Gervase
FS - Johnson, Burgess, Scott
RCB - Ramsey, Burgess, Alexander
LCB - Long, Burgess, Hill
Slot CB - Burgess, Williams, Deayon

The biggest improvement on defense is the D-line. The LBs have new starters but none are rookies. I said it previously and I say it now that Floyd is a clear upgrade to Fowler. Staley can use him in ways they couldn't use Fowler. I love the signing of Robinson, and he's a huge upgrade to SJD. He plays like a younger Suh. He's aggressive and tough and will stop the bleeding in the middle of the d-line. I only hope they can extend Floyd because with Lewis on the opposite side the Rams will have one of the best defensive fronts in the league. Speed and power off the edges, with AD and Robinson crushing the pocket inside out. This year Brockers looks to be the weak link. It's clear from last year that Brockers has lost that explosive first step that got him drafted in the first round.

DE - Brockers, Lewis, Okoronkwo
NT - Robinson, Gaines
DT - Donald, Brockers, Copeland
Edge - Floyd, Lewis, Okoronkwo

IMO a typical nickel package will look like:

DE - Lewis
NT - Robinson
DT - Donald
Edge - Floyd

ILB - Young
OLB - Ebukam

RCB - Ramsey
LCB - Long
Slot CB - Burgess
SS - Rap
FS - Johnson

This gives them speed and power all through this package. With that front 4 there won't be a need to blitz. Ebukam is very good setting an edge and coverage in the flats. Young has speed and coverage skills. Staley can play man coverage because the QB isn't going to have much time and he will be throwing into man coverage.

In their base early package, Burgess goes out, Kiser returns and Brockers replaces Lewis. They still have speed in their LBs and power on the d-line. Staley really won't need a dime package if Young is coached up on his pass defense. He has excellent length and DB speed (4.6). He can match up with RBs and TEs with his size and speed. His time in Baltimore showed that Young has some coverage skills.

Kenny Young has some good skills. In his time with Baltimore, he was a parttime player really only playing significant snaps in 2018. but he left there with these stats:

369 snaps on defense.
51 tackles w/ 41 of them solo
2.5 sacks, 7 QB hits, 1 PD, & 1 FF

If Young can improve his coverage skills he could be an absolute steal as an ILB who plays like a 2nd SS. No doubt Staley has tremendous flexibility with this roster. I don't think he needs to be as exotic as people might think. He has enough talent in his starters and versatility in key rotational players he doesn't have to. This defense simply needs to play fast and execute the scheme.