Andy Dalton Still Hasn’t Earned His Stripes

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Andy Dalton Still Hasn’t Earned His Stripes
It’s hard to pin the Bengals’ wild-card loss on their quarterback, but Dalton did little to win the game as his postseason record dropped to 0-4. As fans grow even more restless, coaches and teammates are quick to his defense
By Robert Klemko

INDIANAPOLIS — Andy Dalton looked for one man in particular among the cascade of jerseys running off the turf and spilling into their respective locker rooms following his fourth consecutive one-and-done postseason showing. He finally found backup quarterback Jason Campbell in the tunnel, and the two proceeded to their neighboring lockers, where they sat close together and spoke softly in a somber locker room.

By capping his fourth NFL season with a 26-10 loss to the Colts, Dalton would face nearly the same media interrogation he endured a year ago.

Should people question this team’s makeup?

Can you sum up the frustration?

You haven’t won a game in the postseason yet. How much does that bother you?

Campbell, a journeyman backup and former first-rounder, offered words of encouragement.

“I told him, ‘Forget what everyone says,’ ” Campbell says. “ ‘You and [Joe] Flacco are the only two quarterbacks to make the playoffs your first four years. When you play like that, the expectations come, but you set those expectations because you won. If you weren’t winning, nobody would be talking about all this. So you have something to hang your head on and be proud of and know that you can get to the next step in the future.”

Anybody could see that Dalton was in dire need of a pep talk when, in the waning minutes of a lackluster performance, offensive coordinator Hue Jackson couldn’t be bothered to look at the man speaking to him from an arm’s length. There was nothing to salvage at that point, down 16 in a game Jackson had described as an opportunity for Dalton to validate the franchise’s commitment to him in the form of a six-year, $96 million extension this season. (The deal is essentially a two-year commitment, with team options the rest of the way.)

Dalton didn’t necessarily lose the game; he just failed to win it. Without wideouts A.J. Green and Jermaine Gresham in uniform, the Bengals planned to run the ball early and often. And Indianapolis had an answer. Perhaps Colts outside linebacker Erik Walden summed it up best in the postgame locker room when he said, “We just felt like we’d stop the run and see if Andy Dalton can beat us. And that’s just not Andy.”

It’s easy to fault Dalton, who completed 18 of 35 passes for just 155 yards (and lost a fumble). In stark contrast, Colts quarterback Andrew Luck was good in bunches and spectacular in flashes, such as his breathtaking third-quarter escape and chuck for a 36-yard touchdown. When the deep ball was there, Dalton consistently overthrew his target, going three-and-out on five straight positions while Indy built a comfortable lead.

“We’ve got to go out and make the uncommon plays and we didn’t do that. The extra-effort plays … the 50-50 balls,” Bengals running back Gio Bernard said. “We just didn’t do that. You can’t put it all on one man.”

Yet many fans have made a habit of pinning it all on Dalton, and Dalton hears the criticism. Campbell’s advice to the 27-year-old: “Stop listening to what the naysayers are doing and concentrate on what you can control.”

This is why Campbell was brought to Cincinnati. He’s a capable backup, of course, but he’s also Dalton’s mentor. Says quarterbacks coach Ken Zampese, “The experience he brings to the table is so valuable for Andy.”

That’s one opinion. Another way of handling middling young quarterbacks is to bring in a highly touted rookie to compete for the job. Yet Marvin Lewis, with what seems like unparalleled job security for a coach without a playoff win in six tries, is unlikely to spend a pick just to put Dalton in the pressure cooker of a QB controversy. Instead, the Bengals have gone with players like Campbell, now a veteran of five NFL teams who can sympathize with a teammate grasping at sustained success.

In a phone interview on Tuesday afternoon, speaking as he packed up his desk for the offseason, Zampese echoed the comments of Lewis, who was unequivocal in his support of Dalton on Sunday and Monday.

“We ask him to do a lot,” Lewis said. “We’re comparing him to guys that have been in the league for a long time, and he’s doing a lot. Some of them didn’t play [as early on as] when he played.”

In 2014, Dalton was certainly asked to do more with less. Injuries removed right tackle Andre Smith and Green from the equation for large chunks of time, revealing a lack of depth at both spots. His scoring, yards and yards per attempt dropped from the previous year, yet his completion percentage improved and he absorbed eight fewer sacks.

Zampese mapped out reasons for optimism, and areas where Dalton can improve.

“When he showed up in the summer he had transformed physically, and you could see it in the way the ball was coming off his hand,” he says. “So the question becomes, how do we take that next step and translate that to the field? This is a work in progress.

“What we’d like to see this offseason and next season is taking young players under his wing and really bringing people along with himself. He made huge strides in that regard this season. It’s something he has to grow and grow.”

But how much patience can be expected? Dalton was in pre-kindergarten the last time Cincinnati won a playoff game. Then again, it could be worse. Just look at the other Ohio team; the Browns are now wrestling with the temptation of drafting yet another first-day quarterback despite having selected Johnny Manziel in the first round last year. Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson, who spent the first eight seasons of his career in Cleveland and played in his first playoff game on Sunday, is now 4-4 against Dalton’s Bengals.

“I thought he did a tremendous job today, all things considered,” Jackson said on Sunday. “For him to take the blame isn’t fair. He’s taken a lot of harsh words, but that is a very different team without him.”

“All things considered” might have been the theme in both locker rooms. Some members of the Colts defense were quietly relieved not to have faced Green, and several Bengals players openly acknowledged his absence as a huge hindrance. Even before the game, Campbell said he and Dalton discussed “how sweet it would be to still win this game while you’re missing your top guys.”

In Cincinnati, they’ll wait at least another year for might win to morph into must win.
 

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Yet Marvin Lewis, with what seems like unparalleled job security for a coach without a playoff win in six tries, is unlikely to spend a pick just to put Dalton in the pressure cooker of a QB controversy.

I can't wait until the blackmail pics Marvin Lewis must have of Mike Brown come out at some point in time. I mean really, Fisher catches a lot of flack for having a 500 win percentage, Marvin Lewis is the definition of mediocrity to me. A lot of it is due to the fact he's been hamstrung by miserable ownership. But really dude, with that offense they had in the late 00's and more recently the great defenses that Zimmer coached and they still haven't won a playoff game.
 

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I can't wait until the blackmail pics Marvin Lewis must have of Mike Brown come out at some point in time. I mean really, Fisher catches a lot of flack for having a 500 win percentage, Marvin Lewis is the definition of mediocrity to me. A lot of it is due to the fact he's been hamstrung by miserable ownership. But really dude, with that offense they had in the late 00's and more recently the great defenses that Zimmer coached and they still haven't won a playoff game.
I'm still gonna take playoffs over .500 seasons lol
 

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Andy Dalton is better than all Rams QBs. healthy and takes you to playoffs in 4 out of 4 seasons. Yup, Dalton sucks in playoffs but we are talking about "playoffs"
 

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Andy Dalton is better than all Rams QBs. healthy and takes you to playoffs in 4 out of 4 seasons. Yup, Dalton sucks in playoffs but we are talking about "playoffs"
The NFL has the problem that you need a superstar QB to win. And you have to be darned lucky to get one. So if you fall just short, you have an Andy Dalton. Better than most but not good enough in the big game. Hard to say what you do if you're Cincy. Got to be real lucky to do better and lord knows, you could do a heck of a lot worse
 

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I don't think Dalton was the primary issue in that loss to the Colts. He's definitely not a great QB but the dude was missing his best receiver and the Colts winning the trenches was a big part of that outcome.

I wouldn't give up high picks for Dalton or anything, but I think the guy is a solid QB who gets a lot of flak he probably doesn't deserve.
 

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Hell right now I'd take a healthy Andy Dalton...
 

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Really? With all of the talent they had when he came in and they haven't finished above .500? Mindboggling.
Yeah, he only came in with a QB, RB, LT, both DEs and MLB already in place. None of those are important or contributing talent. (Yes, some have been moved, or have left the team, and all will eventually be replaced, but to pretend Fisher didn't inherit any talent is just silly. He inherited a team that was one injury stricken year away from 7-9 and kept them at 7-9 or worse.)
 

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Maybe other playoff losses you could look at Dalton's games and say he should have played better. I don't think that is the case from the Colts game. There was no one open. I remember seeing multiple replays showing his receivers covered up. When no one gets open and the running game isn't working, there's not much of a chance for any qb. If Green and Gresham we not injured that game would have been a lot different. If anything, the Benglas should be shoring up more talent around Dalton and Green. Only a few teams get superstar QBs. I'd take Dalton right now.
 

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Yeah, he only came in with a QB, RB, LT, both DEs and MLB already in place. None of those are important or contributing talent. (Yes, some have been moved, or have left the team, and all will eventually be replaced, but to pretend Fisher didn't inherit any talent is just silly. He inherited a team that was one injury stricken year away from 7-9 and kept them at 7-9 or worse.)

Funny way of looking at things but that is your prerogative.

Bradford injured for half the time. No weapons for him. An aging and slow to the hole Steven Jackson that had to make holes since none existed, an always injured OLT in Saffold. No ability to stop the run at all.....or defend the pass. 4/5 Olinemen totally sucking.

Sure he had an average MLB and both DEs. That is about it. If the rest was in place then no need to draft Robinson and the rest of the OLine and no worries about a QB in the offseason. Totally rebuilt the secondary. Drafted receivers three years straight. I don't see where all the talent is.

Like I said an average MLB and two DEs and an oft injured QB and OLT. Wow, how do you lose with such a great assemblage of talent?
 

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Funny way of looking at things but that is your prerogative.

Bradford injured for half the time. No weapons for him. An aging and slow to the hole Steven Jackson that had to make holes since none existed, an always injured OLT in Saffold. No ability to stop the run at all.....or defend the pass. 4/5 Olinemen totally sucking.

Sure he had an average MLB and both DEs. That is about it. If the rest was in place then no need to draft Robinson and the rest of the OLine and no worries about a QB in the offseason. Totally rebuilt the secondary. Drafted receivers three years straight. I don't see where all the talent is.

Like I said an average MLB and two DEs and an oft injured QB and OLT. Wow, how do you lose with such a great assemblage of talent?
Of the mentioned talent, only Jackson is gone so far three years in. And Fisher's gone on record as saying Bradford being here is part of the reason why he came here.

Yes, Fisher had a rebuild to CONTINUE (and results still aren't in about whether he's done so, despite getting the benefit of a rule change that allowed him to make a blockbuster trade that wasn't possible before), but pretending he came here with nothing is disingenuous at best.
 

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Andy Dalton is better than all Rams QBs. healthy and takes you to playoffs in 4 out of 4 seasons. Yup, Dalton sucks in playoffs but we are talking about "playoffs"

:palm:

He's better by default because of Sam's health question marks, but health being equal, Bradford is superior imo to Dalton in every facet of the game but mobility.

Dalton has had an established offense pretty much since he got there. Had the best rookie pass catching RB last year in GIO, the best rookie RB this year, AJ Green, Gresham, Sanu, etc.......and minus this year with Green and Gresham, has shat the bed in every playoff game played with crazy amounts of TOs.

But.....I'd take him for the Rams, but only because we're QB desperate.

Dalton's nothing special. At all. League average.
 

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He's better by default because of Sam's health question marks, but health being equal, Bradford is superior imo to Dalton in every facet of the game but mobility.

Dalton has had an established offense pretty much since he got there. Had the best rookie pass catching RB last year in GIO, the best rookie RB this year, AJ Green, Gresham, Sanu, etc.......and minus this year with Green and Gresham, has shat the bed in every playoff game played with crazy amounts of TOs.

But.....I'd take him for the Rams, but only because we're QB desperate.

Dalton's nothing special. At all. League average.

Agreed on the aspect Dalton is league average. Bradford is of the type "Your potential is going to get me fired Son!". Let's not forget the salary Dalton made first three years and the reasonable contract he signed. So I will take Dalton over Bradford.
 

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Of the mentioned talent, only Jackson is gone so far three years in. And Fisher's gone on record as saying Bradford being here is part of the reason why he came here.

Yes, Fisher had a rebuild to CONTINUE (and results still aren't in about whether he's done so, despite getting the benefit of a rule change that allowed him to make a blockbuster trade that wasn't possible before), but pretending he came here with nothing is disingenuous at best.

A mediocre LB, above average DE, a second year DE, an over the hill RB, and part time QB and LT. That's 6 out of 53 - but it wasn't a rebuild? :palm: :shades:
 

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A mediocre LB, above average DE, a second year DE, an over the hill RB, and part time QB and LT. That's 6 out of 53 - but it wasn't a rebuild? :palm: :shades:
No, because I don't go by percentage of the roster turnover. That approach values some special teams guy as much as it does Sam or Robert Quinn, and that's ridiculous.

Instead, I look at the fact that we had key cogs in the most important positions. The Rams brass obviously doesn't share the opinion that JL is mediocre or average. And we're still pinning a lot of hope on Bradford and Saffold.

Compared to actual rebuilds where next to nothing was inherited, it doesn't even come close.
 

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Of the mentioned talent, only Jackson is gone so far three years in. And Fisher's gone on record as saying Bradford being here is part of the reason why he came here.

Yes, Fisher had a rebuild to CONTINUE (and results still aren't in about whether he's done so, despite getting the benefit of a rule change that allowed him to make a blockbuster trade that wasn't possible before), but pretending he came here with nothing is disingenuous at best.

Okay not nothing, only a franchise that set a league record for futility and he immediately jettisoned over half the team in year one. It was the worst roster in the NFL.

Pick one of the worst rosters in football today and it is still better than what Fisher started with. How many of them do you expect to turn it around in 3 seasons?

And I do agree about Bradgord being a lure however, I bet if Fisher had any idea how many games Sam was going to miss then he old not have been a positive factor in Fishers decision to take the job. Right now Tannehill and the Phins looks like the better option. Every playoff team has a good QB. No starting caliber QB= no playoffs.