After Seeing That Cardinals Game, Count Your Blessings

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RAMpage28

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That was an absolute TRAVESTY of a game. I haven't been this disgusted in a while when it comes to a team that isn't the Rams, but the Cardinals made me sick tonight.

While I'm not saying it's a position unique to me, I have been of the opinion that the NFL has a massive problem with coaching and management. Look at how many incompetent people are put in these positions.

General managers who can only crunch numbers and can't value talent for shit. Others stick their teams in salary cap hell. Some can't put together a scouting or coaching staff if their lives depended on it.

Steve Keim hasn't done a satisfactory job stocking the Cardinals with talent and has made terrible choices in free agency, like the Bradford contract. His vaunted drafting acumen has dropped off a cliff and now most of that credit should go to Arians. He and the ownership have also completely blown their coaching search and part of that is his strange addiction to Mike McCoy, who will be mentioned soon.

Steve Wilks was an uninspiring hire, to say the least. He mediocrely ran a Panthers defense that had a good bit of talent and had already been established and ran better by Sean McDermott. He falls into this job and immediately made massive changes to a defense that was working fine before he got there and has turned it into a pile of trash. Going from a 3-4 defense with a man coverage philosophy to a 4-3/4-2-5 zone based defense has been a disaster, especially considering that the roster has not been built for it over the years, because why the hell would it be. This abrupt change was done with no thought and is also misusing one of their best players in Patrick Peterson. They can't set a consistent defensive line-up, especially at linebacker because their linebackers are undersized and out of place in this new scheme. What a great head coach he is.

Mike McCoy is an offensive mind that would make Jeff Fisher look like a savant with how worn-out and uninspired his schemes and play calls are. An interesting stat I've heard is that the Cardinals are 28th in rushing attempts and yet are 1st in rushing attempts up the middle. This is with David Johnson as running back. The same David Johnson that is well known for his ability as a receiver, but is involved as a receiver on 3% of their passing plays, and when he is, it is usually as a checkdown option, not being lined-up out wide and used to create mismatches like he was with Arians. If there was any justice in the world, McCoy would be exiled to Elba.

Here's a tweet that shows an overlay of David Johnson's carries this year and where they end up.


View: https://twitter.com/jamesdkoh/status/1053029418552090624?s=21


This isn't the first time McCoy has wasted a talented running back and ground a potentially talented offense to a halt. He did the same shit with the Chargers and Melvin Gordon, who during his rookie year with McCoy score 0 touchdowns. Imagine being so shitty that you can keep a scoring machine like Gordon out of the end zone. Perhaps McCoy should switch over to coordinating defenses.

McCoy has only been in the positions he has been in because he was carried by Peyton in Denver for a bit. Due to that, he has gotten a chance to ruin the Chargers as a head coach and the Cardinals as an offensive coordinator in this league. Stop giving HACKS like this jobs in this league. There should be standards at this level.

Say what you will about Arians, but he was a really good coach. He took what is basically the same team as the one this year, except with Blaine Gabbert and Drew Stanton for the majority of the year and made it an 8-8 team. He took Blaine Gabbert and beat the Jaguars with him because he was that damn good at what he did. This new look Cardinals team is an embarrassment and an indictment on the league and its hiring practices.

All that said, the most egregious thing McCoy and Wilks did tonight, besides continuing to be morons who are embarrassingly in over their heads and couldn't prep a fucking sandwich, is they kept Rosen in the game late in a 30+ point blow out to attempt a 4th and 16 conversion. Rosen was hurt on the play. On a play, he should have been never involved in. That alone should be grounds for a firing.

The point is, there is a lot of worthless and incompetent people in charge of NFL franchises. This is a league wide problem. Thankfully, the Rams "took a risk" on a guy who was "too young" to coach in the NFL and it has paid off because they had the courage to hire a guy who knew his shit instead of going for some uninspiring, "safe", or retread option like so many other franchises do because they are either stupid or gutless.

Now coaches and front office types being cowards at the NFL level... That's another discussion for another time.

EDIT: The Cardinals are 4-24 on third down conversions these past two weeks and are dead last in third-down conversion rate at 23% this year. This is some legit final year of Fisher offense going on here. We are talking historic futility.
 
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I hope they keep that staff on board until December 24th.

There's no way they get another year. It's one thing to be bad, and in every game, but then there's historically bad.
 

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2016 rams nightmares reappeared while reading this thread. That helpless, hopeless feeling that sucks the life out of your football soul.

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I was thinking 2009.

i didn't pay too much attention to that season. alot of bad contracts and dead money stopped the rams from fielding a nfl roster. i was busy watching kurt with the cardinals.

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Bradford never been happier in his life than he is right now sitting as an inactive, safely out of harms way....
 

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This was a team the Arizona Cardinals that I knew would be one of the worst in the league. They replaced a popular Head Coach, that got quite a bit out of less with an uninspiring hire in Steve Wilks. Bradford was a huge mistake and their GM Steve Kiam was arrested for a DWI in the Spring, just a recipe for disaster and so far I have been right.

On a good note, I picked up the Bronco defense in one of my fantasy leagues and they put up some major points, but the Cardinals are a mess. Rosen will be okay, if he stays healthy, but Fitzgerald is old and their offensive line is not very good. I am shocked on how they beat San Francisco. I don't see Wilks lasting long and what about Mike McCoy. He was not a terrible Head Coach, he had two winning seasons, more than we can post about Milquetoast Linehan and Napoleon Spagnuolo, however, all of a sudden, he cannot coordinate an offense. He was fired by the Broncos last year and this year, the Cardinal offense is an epic fail. Now I realize McCoy does not have much to work with, but I will bet he's the scapegoat as the give Wilks one more year with another OC, maybe Frank Cignetti or Rob Boras is available.
 

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I think the Cardinals are doing great. Don't change a thing!!!!! :yess:
 

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McCoy has been bad for years? But teams keep hiring him .

They seriously lack talent and this team will be rebuilding for at least 3 more seasons
 

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My imaginary banner hung at Glendale: This is 2018. Do not hire defensive coordinators as a coach! Much love, poked, prodded and probed failed experiment Guinea Pig Rams fans.
 

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2016 rams nightmares reappeared while reading this thread. That helpless, hopeless feeling that sucks the life out of your football soul.
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I was thinking 2009.

There's plenty of reminders for us all. We don't need to bring them all up, lol. So happy to be free from those messes. I laughed my ass off when Gruden got 10/$100 million contract. Wouldn't even break a sweat if they gave one to McVay after this season. Lock that man up for a decade because I never want to go back to the above.
 

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While watching them play last night I found it hard to believe they had actually won a game. when I checked to see who they beat it turned out to be the 40 Whiners.
 

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I've never heard anyone sound so mad that a division rival was so bad. Nor go into as much depth as to explain why. Lol
 

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McCoy has been bad for years? But teams keep hiring him .

They seriously lack talent and this team will be rebuilding for at least 3 more seasons

It's kind of disturbing McCoy kept getting hired. Like how does this happen at that level? I've seen the Cards play a bit this year. Absolutely no adjustments from game to game.
 

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I have been of the opinion that the NFL has a massive problem with coaching and management. Look at how many incompetent people are put in these positions.

McCoy has only been in the positions he has been in because he was carried by Peyton in Denver for a bit. Due to that, he has gotten a chance to ruin the Chargers as a head coach and the Cardinals as an offensive coordinator in this league. Stop giving HACKS like this jobs in this league. There should be standards at this level.

The NFL is the good old boys network and people rehire friends or former co-workers who gave them jobs or promotions. It's fucked up.

All that said, the most egregious thing McCoy and Wilks did tonight, besides continuing to be morons who are embarrassingly in over their heads and couldn't prep a freaking sandwich, is they kept Rosen in the game late in a 30+ point blow out to attempt a 4th and 16 conversion. Rosen was hurt on the play. On a play, he should have been never involved in. That alone should be grounds for a firing.

That is an egregious error. Why risk the guy, Denver can bring pressure and had several sacks. Look what they did versus the Rams OL with is a hell of a lot better than AZ line.

McCoy has been bad for years? But teams keep hiring him .

They seriously lack talent and this team will be rebuilding for at least 3 more seasons

IMO it'll take longer. Off the top of my head I can't recall a complete and total rebuild done in 3 seasons. This group is on the bottom so IMO it'll be 4-5 years before they become relevant. And that's IF the QB develops well. If not they will be stuck in the cycle for 2-3 more years.

All we have to do is look to the Rams history, it took Fisher FIVE years with some extra draft picks and he had Snead helping. Imagine where the Rams would be if Goff had busted out. Even with all the other talent they wouldn't be a contender. So AZ has a long road back, and if Rosen busts out it's a really, really long road back.

We can hope right!!!
 

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I think people assume that there are 32 people in the world capable of being great NFL head coaches or offensive coordinators. I'm not so sure there are. If there are in fact less than that, then some teams will necessarily have less than great coaches. Get one when you can. Firing people when your only options to replace them will be even worse isn't so hot a strategy either, IMO.