This is a discussion so don't get me wrong I care more about this team than I ought to. But I kept notes on the game. I made two lists. One for plays above and beyond normal execution that gave us a better chance to win. And another list for plays that were a failure to execute and hurt our chances to lose. Before I quit when Sam got hurt it was 12-4 in the bad direction. And those 12 plays were by 11 different players. I agree we were moving the ball and the talent is absolutely there to win. But it isn't going to happen no matter who the qb is until we clean up the repeated errors made by the entire team. Thats my point. Clemens is barely a #2 qb in this league but you can still win some games if you straighten up the un-forced errors. If not you will struggle to play .500 even if you had Peyton Manning.