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Wow. Rams Sign Vernon Gholston
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Apparently the Rams worked both Gholston and Carter today, and liked Gholston more. Evan Silva points out he has played in 45 games and recorded 0 sacks.
Hopefully Sims is alright.
I'll admit I liked Gholston a lot coming out of OSU, but his NFL career has been terrible. Im surprised he's still getting calls.
Apparently the Rams worked both Gholston and Carter today, and liked Gholston more. Evan Silva points out he has played in 45 games and recorded 0 sacks.
Hopefully Sims is alright.
I'll admit I liked Gholston a lot coming out of OSU, but his NFL career has been terrible. Im surprised he's still getting calls.
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And, ...what the hell for?
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Do you all remember the arguments there used to be about him before that draft? There was a significant number of Ram fans who wanted us to take him... they get their wish now I guess, well, until the first cuts anyway.
Do you all remember the arguments there used to be about him before that draft? There was a significant number of Ram fans who wanted us to take him... they get their wish now I guess, well, until the first cuts anyway.
Rams should have gave the money they signed him with to charity.
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Scheme can be very important to whether or not players make it in the NFL. This guy has major talent and athleticism and was meant for a DE in a 4-3 not 3-4. If Sims is out for any part of the season, who knows, this guy may do well here. I don't have a problem with this. He's in his correct defense with Wauffle coaching him and it's probably for peanuts. Low risk possible high reward if you ask me. A guy that started only five games out of position won't have good stats. It's what he does now that counts to me.
POLL: The Rams signed Gholston because
1. He knows what they did.
2. They know that after time off from the game, he woke up and realizes what his priorities are--money.
3. He is actually one of Janoris Jenkins's many love children.
4. Shottenheimer knew him in New York and always thought he would make a fine offensive left guard.
5. Turns out, the team didn't like the "no hazing" rule and demanded someone they could go to town on.
6. Fisher just likes screwing with the fans and media.
7. They take that line from The Godfather seriously--keep your friends close, and sign Gholston.
8. They disliked Andre Carter so much as a person they just wanted to rub it in somehow.
9. Believe it or not, it works out nice algebraically.
10.. Not all is ever as it seems, and actually, "production" is a tricky concept.
11. Yeah, sure, there's heart, and determination, and character, and grit, and instincts, and a knack for the game, and the burning desire to be the best. But there's also measurables.
12. They accidentally put the 2008 draft on delete too.
Think of more............
1. He knows what they did.
2. They know that after time off from the game, he woke up and realizes what his priorities are--money.
3. He is actually one of Janoris Jenkins's many love children.
4. Shottenheimer knew him in New York and always thought he would make a fine offensive left guard.
5. Turns out, the team didn't like the "no hazing" rule and demanded someone they could go to town on.
6. Fisher just likes screwing with the fans and media.
7. They take that line from The Godfather seriously--keep your friends close, and sign Gholston.
8. They disliked Andre Carter so much as a person they just wanted to rub it in somehow.
9. Believe it or not, it works out nice algebraically.
10.. Not all is ever as it seems, and actually, "production" is a tricky concept.
11. Yeah, sure, there's heart, and determination, and character, and grit, and instincts, and a knack for the game, and the burning desire to be the best. But there's also measurables.
12. They accidentally put the 2008 draft on delete too.
Think of more............
13. They need someone to make Richardson and Smith feel better about their pass block capability.
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Championship !!
I suspect there may be a problem with Sims. Injury.
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Gotta be it.
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Meh, I don't really care. It's not like he's going to start over Quinn or Long.
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Also coincidentally an epic debut album by DOWN.
At least VG is not injury prone. Maybe he doesn't cut the 53,maybe he gets in...its far from a lucid addition. I'm not elated nor am I deflated. We shall see what happens.
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It boggles the mind, that this guy has been so bad as a pro. Physically gifted with size, strength, and speed. Incredible success at a high profile major college program (Ohio State). Cut by the Jets. Cut by the Bears. Worked out by the Lions and the Texans late last season, and both took a pass on him. He's been out of football for a full season. It won't take too long to find out what he's got. First cut down day is the 28th, and final 53 is on the 31st.
Old Draft Report from 2008:
Analysis
Strengths
Positives: Has a well-built frame with a wide back, broad shoulders, V-shaped torso, large hands, long limbs, defined muscles throughout and thick thighs and calves...Excellent speed rusher who needs to be accounted for on every play and has good field presence, locating the ball quickly to fly to it and contain the run...Has the ability to consistently disrupt the backfield, as he has the speed to escape and the strength to overpower offensive tackles off the edge...Plays with the type of effort and emotion that makes a coach comfortable knowing that he will make plays all over the field...Has great flexibility and balance working down the line and changing direction...Has a low center of gravity and strong anchor, making it very rare to see him on the ground...When he is taken off of his feet, he is quick to recover and get back into the action...Has loose hips, good knee bend and balance in his running stride when chasing long distances...Has rare ability to run the field for a player his size and can be sudden in his initial movement...Shows the in-line range and low pad level to shoot the gaps, playing with leverage when competing at the point of attack...Shows the effort to impact the play even if he doesn't make the tackle...Plays with a high motor and shows a natural feel for the game, as he continues to improve his ability to anticipate and jump the play...Self-starter with a great passion for the game and is a hard worker in the training room...While very confident in his ability, he is also a humble character with no off-field issues...Rare to see him talk trash and just goes about his business...Has a sudden first step to defeat an offensive tackle coming off the edge and the uncanny ability to anticipate the snap cadence and time his jumps...His low center of gravity lets him consistently shoot the gaps...Has that good blend of quickness and strength to hold ground at the point of attack...Has the quickness to penetrate when working inside and is very disruptive coming off the snap, as he is quick and active with his hand punch to rock the bigger blockers back on their heels...Could punch and shed blockers sooner but he can get upfield and collide with the ballcarrier with good pop on contact...Has the lower-body flexibility to drop his weight and leverage at the point, displaying the body control needed to split double teams...Generally uses his hands effectively to shed and separate, as he battles until the whistle...Can close in a hurry in the short area and takes good angles in pursuit to make plays outside the box...Has the speed to flatten and chase from the backside or the outside...Strong wrap-up tackler who can adjust in space and finish plays on his own...Consistently plays on his feet and is very quick coming off the edge, as he can turn the corner, showing the flexibility and counter moves (must be more consistent with the counter) to come under and also has the strength to bull rush or push the pocket...Is starting to develop a good feel for his pass-rush package (still needs to rely on those moves more) and knows how to keep his hands off and get free...Also capable of maintaining inside position when he sinks his pads...Has the second gear to close on the pocket and, while he gets most of his sacks off backside pursuit, he is also able to take an in-line gap to impact the backfield. Negatives: Has loose hips to drop back in pass coverage, but when he gets too tall in his backpedal, he fails to get a clean turn coming out of his breaks...Instinctive player, but is still a relatively new to the game and needs more reps to help him gain experience, as he relies on his athletic ability...Has improved his technique, but can't be considered a technician using his hands or displaying an array of pass rush moves...Must develop a better feel for blocking schemes, as he doesn't always protect his body from cut blocks and is not yet consistent at splitting double teams...Can be fooled by misdirection and while he gives total effort, he sometimes can't find the ball until it is past him. Compares To: JOHN ABRAHAM-Atlanta...Both players rely on a perfect blend of strength and suddenness off the snap to wreak havoc in the backfield. Gholston has a relentless motor in pursuit. If he had more on-field experience, he could be an outstanding linebacker at the next level. However, with teams looking for hybrid Cover-2 pass rushers, he is perfectly capable of impacting the backfield coming off the edge or dropping back into the zone to cover vs. the pass. He is still a raw talent that gets by on his athletic ability, but in a few years, with patient coaching and more experience, he has the potential to change the game, much like Abraham, Dwight Freeney (Indianapolis) and Jason Taylor (Miami) have done playing in that role.
Old Draft Report from 2008:
Analysis
Strengths
Positives: Has a well-built frame with a wide back, broad shoulders, V-shaped torso, large hands, long limbs, defined muscles throughout and thick thighs and calves...Excellent speed rusher who needs to be accounted for on every play and has good field presence, locating the ball quickly to fly to it and contain the run...Has the ability to consistently disrupt the backfield, as he has the speed to escape and the strength to overpower offensive tackles off the edge...Plays with the type of effort and emotion that makes a coach comfortable knowing that he will make plays all over the field...Has great flexibility and balance working down the line and changing direction...Has a low center of gravity and strong anchor, making it very rare to see him on the ground...When he is taken off of his feet, he is quick to recover and get back into the action...Has loose hips, good knee bend and balance in his running stride when chasing long distances...Has rare ability to run the field for a player his size and can be sudden in his initial movement...Shows the in-line range and low pad level to shoot the gaps, playing with leverage when competing at the point of attack...Shows the effort to impact the play even if he doesn't make the tackle...Plays with a high motor and shows a natural feel for the game, as he continues to improve his ability to anticipate and jump the play...Self-starter with a great passion for the game and is a hard worker in the training room...While very confident in his ability, he is also a humble character with no off-field issues...Rare to see him talk trash and just goes about his business...Has a sudden first step to defeat an offensive tackle coming off the edge and the uncanny ability to anticipate the snap cadence and time his jumps...His low center of gravity lets him consistently shoot the gaps...Has that good blend of quickness and strength to hold ground at the point of attack...Has the quickness to penetrate when working inside and is very disruptive coming off the snap, as he is quick and active with his hand punch to rock the bigger blockers back on their heels...Could punch and shed blockers sooner but he can get upfield and collide with the ballcarrier with good pop on contact...Has the lower-body flexibility to drop his weight and leverage at the point, displaying the body control needed to split double teams...Generally uses his hands effectively to shed and separate, as he battles until the whistle...Can close in a hurry in the short area and takes good angles in pursuit to make plays outside the box...Has the speed to flatten and chase from the backside or the outside...Strong wrap-up tackler who can adjust in space and finish plays on his own...Consistently plays on his feet and is very quick coming off the edge, as he can turn the corner, showing the flexibility and counter moves (must be more consistent with the counter) to come under and also has the strength to bull rush or push the pocket...Is starting to develop a good feel for his pass-rush package (still needs to rely on those moves more) and knows how to keep his hands off and get free...Also capable of maintaining inside position when he sinks his pads...Has the second gear to close on the pocket and, while he gets most of his sacks off backside pursuit, he is also able to take an in-line gap to impact the backfield. Negatives: Has loose hips to drop back in pass coverage, but when he gets too tall in his backpedal, he fails to get a clean turn coming out of his breaks...Instinctive player, but is still a relatively new to the game and needs more reps to help him gain experience, as he relies on his athletic ability...Has improved his technique, but can't be considered a technician using his hands or displaying an array of pass rush moves...Must develop a better feel for blocking schemes, as he doesn't always protect his body from cut blocks and is not yet consistent at splitting double teams...Can be fooled by misdirection and while he gives total effort, he sometimes can't find the ball until it is past him. Compares To: JOHN ABRAHAM-Atlanta...Both players rely on a perfect blend of strength and suddenness off the snap to wreak havoc in the backfield. Gholston has a relentless motor in pursuit. If he had more on-field experience, he could be an outstanding linebacker at the next level. However, with teams looking for hybrid Cover-2 pass rushers, he is perfectly capable of impacting the backfield coming off the edge or dropping back into the zone to cover vs. the pass. He is still a raw talent that gets by on his athletic ability, but in a few years, with patient coaching and more experience, he has the potential to change the game, much like Abraham, Dwight Freeney (Indianapolis) and Jason Taylor (Miami) have done playing in that role.