Winning in the N.F.L. Preseason Could Be a Bad Sign

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CodeMonkey

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Something to consider. From NY Times article.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/1...-preseason-games-meaningless-spoiler-yes.html

AUGUST 13, 2015
Keeping Score
By VICTOR MATHER

N.F.L. preseason games, which began in earnest on Thursday night, are regularly derided as meaningless. A tedious method to sort out the future backups from the soon-to-be-cut. A chance for top players to be injured. A cash grab with high-priced tickets, food and parking for an inferior product.

Coaches are reluctant to play their best players or show off their offensive and defensive schemes. No one wants to get hurt. The end result looks like football, but without consequence or passion.

Still, when fans see their team perform well in exhibitions, they may have at least a glimmer of hope that the new season will be a good one.

Well, shut off that glimmer. A strong preseason performance in the N.F.L. not only does not predict a good season, it could actually be a sign of a bad one.

In the last 10 years, 18 teams have been unbeaten and untied in preseason play. Those teams went on to post a combined regular-season record of only 130-158.

The teams that were perfect in the preseason also did not improve from the previous season, declining by a total of 23½ games, dropping more than one win per team.

In some cases, a good preseason did herald a successful year. The Broncos parlayed a perfect preseason in 2005 into a 13-3 record, and the 2013 Seahawks won the Super Bowl after a 4-0 preseason.

But more often, the preseason wonders flopped when the games started to count. In 2013, the Redskins, who had won 10 games the previous season, fell to 3-13. The 2011 Rams won all four games in the preseason, then went on to win just two regular-season games.

The most egregious case was the 2008 Lions. They swept through the preseason, outscoring their four opponents by 80-32. Among their victims were the Giants, who would go 12-4 that year.

The Lions fell apart in the regular season. Trying out Jon Kitna, Dan Orlovsky and Daunte Culpepper as starting quarterbacks, Detroit staggered to the league’s first 0-16 record.

In contrast to the summertime highfliers, eventual Super Bowl champions generally had undistinguished preseasons. Even with the 2013 Seahawks’ 4-0 record, the winners of the last 10 Super Bowls have posted a combined preseason record of only 23-17.

Preseason games have value to fringe players, coaches, and teams’ bottom lines. And FiveThirtyEight.com last year showed that the preseason can indicate whether a new quarterback is likely to succeed.

But in general, the prevailing wisdom about the preseason is correct. A great record is not a great sign for the future.
 

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@-X- summed it up pretty well in his tweet last night:

"Oh how I long for the good ole' days (sarcasm implied)"
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Fisher seemed very tired. I do wonder if the trip out west and the planning of not just a pre-season game but a stay in Oxnard and practice with the Cowboys has sort of thrown the team off a bit. No excuse, I get it. But it isn't really going to be a normal routine either. Were there just a lot of distractions this week?

Again, no excuse and I have no idea of course whether it affected the team in any way or not.
 

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The preseason is more about the individual play, than the score.

If we win, great. If we lose, oh well.
 

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i would like to see maybe more than 3 points and a lot less penalties. the final outcome is usually pointless due to games settled in the 4th quarter. however, efficiency and productiveness would be preferred vs sloppiness .
 

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No spin here, you know if your team looked good or if they didn't. Plenty games that the Rams lost in preseason where I still came away feeling okay about the direction of the team.

As @Force16X so eloquently put it the Rams need to score more than 3 points and they need to cut down on the penalties...I've always felt if you walk away winning 2 preseason games without injury and win game three then I'm okay, but no need to camouflage the lackluster performance from the Rams in Detroit of the West.
 

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The preseason is more about the individual play, than the score.

If we win, great. If we lose, oh well.

Agreed. However, it always seems that when fans complain about the level of play some respond by pointing to the pre-season win-loss record that no one really gives a darn about.
 

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The preseason is more about the individual play, than the score.

If we win, great. If we lose, oh well.

But fans are silly about that kind of thing.

It's about getting the starters some reps in live action and figuring out who is the right guy for 2nd string and who is going to fill out the rest of the roster.

I know that some people want more than that out of it but the coaches really don't care about that LOL.
 

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@-X- summed it up pretty well in his tweet last night:

"Oh how I long for the good ole' days (sarcasm implied)"
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Detroit went 5-0 in preseason the year they went 0-16.

Though i don't know if fans thought they looked good going 5-0 that year. And i know people aren't harping on wins and losses, more on how we looked but i'm sticking with my preseason tells us nothing take...
 

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Remember when the Colts went 0-5 in 2006??? We know what happened there
 

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Colts with Manning were notorious for not trying in the preseason whereas Mike Zimmer's Vikings seem to take it pretty seriously...
 

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Kind of funny story.... New neighbour saw my RAMS flag last weekend and made a comment about how bad the team is.

Saw him today and he says" saw the Rams lost last night..looks like another long season for you"

I replied, yup, and the Pats lost also..he says to me " ahhh pre-season games mean shit anyway
 

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Based on what I've read, sounds like the overall results were less than enthralling.

I agree that wins and losses in the pre-season mean nothing, but the overall effort... the discipline.. the execution? That, to me, is important.

Funny thing is... if you do those things well in pre-season, you might win more than you lose. A cause-and-effect kinda thing.

I will never minimalize a win... even if it's pre-season. I like to win... and I think it can become a habit (exceptions notwithstanding).

The fact that the Rams did not win is not that concerning... the way they lost might be... I'll watch the game tonight.

Onto Oxnard... the Cowgirls and then Tennessee.

Hoping for better discipline and execution at all depth levels.
 

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Kind of funny story.... New neighbour saw my RAMS flag last weekend and made a comment about how bad the team is.

Saw him today and he says" saw the Rams lost last night..looks like another long season for you"

I replied, yup, and the Pats lost also..he says to me " ahhh pre-season games mean crap anyway

Tell him to enjoy the first few games without Brady.
 

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@-X- summed it up pretty well in his tweet last night:

"Oh how I long for the good ole' days (sarcasm implied)"
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That pretty much sums it up, bad teams HAVE to be impressive in the preseason. That's the only time they can when most teams are too busy scouting their prospects and trying to cruise into the regular season uninjured to care about losing 3-18 to a lousy team.
 

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I don't care about W's and L's in the preseason. Only thing I like to see is improvement from game 1 to game 3. Williams always seems to play vanilla D in the preseason although I would expect the 1st team to play a bit better than it did against Oakland.
Although the 1st team offense stalled a bit I was encouraged by the rookie OL and Nick had them moving the first drive. We have to remember training camp hasn't been that long so it's going to take a bit to start jelling together.

The one thing I think most are disappointed in is the continued penalties. When you kill drives or keep giving your opponent extra opportunities it can be the difference in winning and losing. That has to get cleaned up.