What the Chargers fans are saying...

[Dodgersrf]

http://www.thepowderblues.com/forum/showthread.php?10426-The-Rams/page6

Homie is delusional in his responses to me. He basically disregarded key stats I brought up or misrepresented them by skewing them towards his Chargers bias to help prove him point. My response is at the bottom of page 6.

Its easy to register if you want to join the conversation.

Great job 24/7. Way to keep it clean as well.
The guy is clearly choosing what to believe, rather then opening up to the facts.
Manning was under duress the entire game. He didn't just have a bad game.

 

[rams24/7]

RamzFanz joined in the fun too. http://www.thepowderblues.com/forum/showthread.php?10426-The-Rams/page7

 

[Robocop]

http://www.thepowderblues.com/forum/showthread.php?10426-The-Rams/page6

Homie is delusional in his responses to me. He basically disregarded key stats I brought up or misrepresented them by skewing them towards his Chargers bias to help prove him point. My response is at the bottom of page 6.

Its easy to register if you want to join the conversation.

I like the blue and gold takeover you got going on. I was tempted to join. good shit. that guy is a complete delusional assshole. his arguments are pathetic and laughable.

 

[RhodyRams]

I like the blue and gold takeover you got going on. I was tempted to join. good crap. that guy is a complete delusional assshole. his arguments are pathetic and laughable.

His fellow Charger fans seem to think the same thing about him


Nice job staying classy there 24/7 and RamzFanz

 

[Dodgersrf]

The Chargers fans on that board are pretty good guys.

 

[dbrooks25]

I see he responded to you again with another novel's worth of crap, 24/7. I don't bother to read his posts anymore, as he has his head stuck way up his butt.

 

[dbrooks25]

The Chargers fans on that board are pretty good guys.

They seem to be pretty realistic about things going into this game. The only person who is stubborn about it is the guy 24/7 is going back and forth with.

 

[Mojo Ram]

I see he responded to you again with another novel's worth of crap, 24/7. I don't bother to read his posts anymore, as he has his head stuck way up his butt.

I don't get the part where he said "we think Shaun Hill is our savior...."

 

[rams24/7]

I see he responded to you again with another novel's worth of crap, 24/7. I don't bother to read his posts anymore, as he has his head stuck way up his butt.

I originally responded by quoting multiple peoples post on that board (not any of his) and then he responded with his chapter worth of stuff. When I responded today it was in an attempt ask him why he was so easily brushing off my facts and only seeing what he wanted to. Its a lost cause imo. I may or may not respond, but you better believe I'll be back there on Sunday after we win.

 

[NAVSPECWAR]

Interesting read.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Interesting read.

Welcome to the board.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

I don't get the part where he said "we think Shaun Hill is our savior...."

Yeah, that comment was a little amusing to me also, that along with the "Fisher is a dirty POS" comments (note to Charger fans - No he's not) ironic coming from the fan base of the team that committed one of the most dastardly chicken shit plays I've ever witnessed (Rodney Harrison's bush league lunge at Trent Greens knee in a meaningless preseason game)

It's always good reading going over to other sites, myself? I'm pretty much surrounded by Charger fans, all I tell them is to expect a pretty hard hitting game, I'm just happy the game is over the air on FOX, it's not often I get an opportunity to watch the Rams in my living room.

 

[dbrooks25]

I originally responded by quoting multiple peoples post on that board (not any of his) and then he responded with his chapter worth of stuff. When I responded today it was in an attempt ask him why he was so easily brushing off my facts and only seeing what he wanted to. Its a lost cause imo. I may or may not respond, but you better believe I'll be back there on Sunday after we win.

Yup, lost cause indeed. He's the only one fighting you like hell over the facts you've presented. I wouldn't waste my time with the guy. If the good guys win on Sunday, rub his nose in it. LOL

 

[Mojo Ram]

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=102255&page=29
Red Alice is posting in here too.

Looking forward to a good game. However it goes.

What a complete, weak-ass suck up he is. He can be found regularly "sucking" up to Seacock on their board too. I'm ashamed as a Ram fan to have this ninny on the internets representing Ram Nation. I don't mind that he's respectful, but he will literally talk more shit about Rams players than anything related to the opposing team. I'm not including any of his pussywagon quotes here.

Anyway, here goes another installment from the Chargers fans:




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Spread is dropping. Means the money is all going on the Rams. I try not to take too much stock in Vegas. Amazing how gamblers go week to week on matchups..A STL home win against one team means nothing as far as going on the road to play another. Chargers are 2-1 all time at home against the Rams with a plus 8 point differential. I'm expecting a win by a TD at least for us
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I am a bit worried about Rivers in this game. We weren't able to get any oline help and right now this line is about as aweful as it gets
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Chargers will win this by 7
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That Aaron Donald is who we thought he was. Kid is a beast. Will be a tough one.
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As worrisome as it is to be fielding our offensive line against their front four, our defense outclasses their offense as a whole, by a greater margin than vice versa. All we have to to is play patient, turnover free football and we got this.
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Shame that it seems like Carrethers won't play in this one. I thought he did really well last time out. But it is good news that Lissemore will be back to play.

I just hope he doesn't get targeted too much. As our run D has been poor all season long and I was hoping Carrethers may be the solution. Be it temporary or permanent.
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They have one of the best front 7's going. Something like 6 1st and 2nd round picks in that mix. Their biggest strength is by far our biggest weakness so it's concerning.

I truly believe that if we win this game, it's going to be because our D does something to help the O out.
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What happened to all of the quick passes? I don't like to see Rivers hold onto the ball for very long with our dumpster fire of an o-line. We need Rivers getting rid of the ball in 2 - 2.5 seconds or less against the best D-line in the NFL otherwise we have a good chance to lose this game.
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For the most part, teams have adapted to our quick pass gameplan. They are clogging up the middle which takes away our bread and butter crossing routes. Reason why we've been taking our shots down field.
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Exactly, leaving us to do what our O does not accelerate at...running the ball and throwing the ball down field. Both require a good OL and because our OL is poor, our O is getting smashed.
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I agree. Being a NFL offensive coordinator is pretty difficult. After a few weeks, teams get enough film on your plays and gameplans and gameplan for it. So do you proactively change your offense to adapt beforehand or do you stick to whats working?

Anyways, we are getting exposed as teams see the huge weakness in our interior O line. Blitzes are concentrated in the middle and not allowing Rivers to step up or even run up the middle when there isn't anything. I think our receivers need to do a better job of winning their battles and getting separation.
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Am I the only one not worried?

I don't even think this game will be close. Their offense is a mess. They only scored ONE TD and that's from a good return. They had excellent field position pretty much most of the game but not once did they finish it with a TD. This game will come down to our offense vs their defense. We were just sluggish vs Oakland. We will pick it up. We always seem to be uncoordinated after a long break. @AZ, @MIA, OAK <--- all games we looked flat or uncoordinated in my opinion.
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Our defense is better than theirs......
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I hope we can get the run game going successfully and have some balance on O .... I noticed the Broncos ran the ball just 10 times for 28 yrds and passed the ball a whopping 54 times in their loss to the Rams .... I don't think we should follow the 5 passes to 1 run formula they used.

Hope MM and FR can figure out how to get the O back on track to contributing, the D and ST's looked pretty good last week, but they need some help from the O.

I hope our guys keep their cool out on the field, as it seems pretty typical of a Jeff Fisher coached team to do things to get an opponent to react, in an attempt to draw a flag.
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The Rams are going to play press coverage and then dare Rivers to hold onto the ball long enough for their pass rush to get him. Frank Reich had better have a decent game plan dialed up. Oh, and running the ball would help greatly.
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It'll be ugly but I think we'll get the W on sunday
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The Chargers have the lowest avg points in the NFL over the last 4 games. The Rams are pretty good defensively. I'm waiting for the Chargers to have a field day. They haven't had one the last 5 games.
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How did Rivers go from just normal soreness to probable?
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The Chargers are going to beat the Rams because our defense is better than their offense. The Rams will have a hard time moving the ball. Our punter, and special teams is also better than theirs, and field position shoud factor heavily into who wins this game, and I think because of Scifres and the special teams players, that the Chargers win that aspect of the game. At the same time, with the return of Mathews, our running game is stronger, and I believe that whichever team runs the ball the best, will win the game. And I also believe that will be the Chargers.

Will we pass? Sure. But I don't think we need to pass the ball a lot to win this game. Just play a ball control, eat the clock, move the chains game, and we win.
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I am very afraid of the Rams defensive line.
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I have nothing against the Rams or their fans from my past experiences with them.

I just despise their dirty, cheap shotting, shot calling, Competition Committee, Merriman career ending head coach.
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Rams are averaging 10 points on offense in road games vs top 10 defenses.
Chargers are giving up an average of 6.3 points per game to bottom 10 scoring offenses in SD.
These facts could have something to do with our being favored.
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[OC--LeftCoast]

Not so sure Red Alice is a he agree 100% what you said tho, pretty sad.

Waaaaaaah!!!! "I just despise their dirty, cheap shotting, shot calling, Competition Committee, Merriman career ending head coach."

Merry-man? Really? defending a convicted cheater as if he were a saint? --- with Red Alice chiming in she doesn't believe Harrisons hit on Trent Green was cheap?

The comedy I tell ya!

 

[dbrooks25]

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=102255&page=29
Red Alice is posting in here too.
What a complete, weak-ass suck up he is. He can be found regularly "sucking" up to Seacock on their board too. I'm ashamed as a Ram fan to have this ninny on the internets representing Ram Nation. I don't mind that he's respectful, but he will literally talk more crap about Rams players than anything related to the opposing team. I'm not including any of his pussywagon quotes here.



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DUDE, I thought I was the only one who thought this about Red Alice. He is ALWAYS on the Seahawks board sucking their asses. You are right, being nice and civil is fine, but he is always joining in with their fans in bashing the Rams and he is quick to bash other Rams fans who post anything that contradicts what the popular opinion is on that board. Also, I saw a thread recently where he dissed the hell out of ROD. Can't stand that guy.

 

[dbrooks25]

"Our defense is better than theirs......"

Hahahahahahahahaha!

 

[dbrooks25]

"Our punter, and special teams is also better than theirs"

Double hahahahahahaha!

 

[bluecollarram]

What a complete, weak-ass suck up he is. He can be found regularly "sucking" up to Seacock on their board too. I'm ashamed as a Ram fan to have this ninny on the internets representing Ram Nation. I don't mind that he's respectful, but he will literally talk more crap about Rams players than anything related to the opposing team. I'm not including any of his pussywagon quotes here.

agree, saw this person on a couple other boards. Seems he/she sticks around about a week, long enough for everyone to learn he/she is full o shit then disappears. It has been on seacock boards the longest that I can recall kissing ass. NOT A RAMS FAN!

Red Alice?

 

[rams24/7]

Yup, lost cause indeed. He's the only one fighting you like hell over the facts you've presented. I wouldn't waste my time with the guy. If the good guys win on Sunday, rub his nose in it. LOL

Here's the last response from "Yubaking" on the Chargers board. Its clear he doesn't view things the same way I do and there's no way I can force him to see things differently: http://www.thepowderblues.com/forum/showthread.php?10426-The-Rams&p=127990#post127990

There's so many things wrong with this last post, that I can't even begin to respond...

Again, you are missing the point about the Rams QBs. Hill does make fewer mistakes, but they have the virtually the same QB rating. Why? It is because Davis makes more positive plays as well as more mistakes than Hill. If you want to be excited about starting a QB with a mid 80s career QB rating, go right ahead. I am a Chargers fan and we are used to having elite QBs that are/were highly rated in their time, so Hill does nothing for me as a starter. He is a pretty good backup, though. I do not think the Rams can win consistently with Hill at this point. Neither their offense nor their defense is good enough for the team to catch fire with a "game manager" type QB, especially their offense.

Regarding the 8 sacks against SF, that represents over 42% of your team's season total--in one game, a clear outlier. In the Rams other games, they have 3 sacks twice, 2 sacks twice, one sack once and no sacks 4 times. That actually helps me to see that the Rams pass rush is really not as good as I thought it was.

Regarding the Arizona game and the assertions about the defense's "great play all day", the Rams did not play great on defense all day. They actually yielded 17 points, avoided it being 20 because the Cardinals missed a FGA and avoided it being even more when Cardinals defenders scored TDs on turnovers instead of just leaving the Cardinals with the ball in a scoring position. I am sure lots of defenses can claim to be great if their own offense keeps the other offense off the field by letting them score multiple times directly off of turnovers such that the offense the defense is supposed to be trying to stop never sees the field.

No, you did not specifically state that the Rams defense was better than the top defenses that we played, but you seem to think the Rams will shut down the Chargers when these other teams failed to do so for the most part. The implication is that the Rams defense, then, is better than those other defenses, which I do not believe to be the case at all.

As for the Raiders, I said the criticism about us barely beating the Raiders is pretty funny. I didn't say it was your criticism, but there has been criticism about that win and you did mention that kind of criticism, so I discussed our performance against the Raiders in response to you raising the concept.

As for your suggestion that it represents the same kind of logic, I do not believe that is accurate. I think most of us on this forum understand that we are supposed to clobber bad teams and we did that against JAC and NYJ, but did not do that against OAK. I think the reasons for that are that OAK is more talented than NYJ or JAC and a divisional rival, that our defense was too injured and without too many bodies to stop OAK in the first game, and that our offense was not sharp coming off of our bye week in the second game.

In none of those games did our opponent play beneath its standards, which is what SF did and DEN did for sure when they made some really bad mistakes. But that is usually what happens when an upset takes place--the better team makes some blunders from which they cannot recover. To me, that's what happened in the Rams games versus SF and DEN. Against ARI, the Rams kept the game close well into the 4th quarter, but ultimately the better team pulled away and won by two TDs. None of that is similar to our games versus underdogs. I think the Rams win against SEA was earned, but it did feature some quirky plays, which matters because those tend not to be capable of being duplicated again in the same season.

My comments are in no way hypocritical. I think our wins against the Raiders are undervalued because the Raiders are better than their record suggests. I think they are absolutely better than JAC and NYJ and almost as good as BUF. As I have said, if the Rams game versus Oakland were in Oakland, I would be very tempted to pick Oakland to win that game because I think the Raiders would prove that point to Rams fans in a very ugly way for you guys. But I think in St. Louis the Rams will probably get the job done.

Those beliefs are in no way contradictory to my other opinion that some of the Rams wins are overvalued due to the team not being as good as the media thinks they are (SEA, for example) and/or the opponent doing at least as much to lose the game as the Rams did to win it (SF and DEN). And that cuts against our win against SEA as well. They are a good team, but they are not a great team, especially on the road. They are entirely beatable and we could have beaten by more than the 9 points by which we actually won.

Finally, I do not see how you, without being disingenuous, can ignore the unforced errors by other teams in your arbitrary selection of the three games for the period in which the Rams, according to you, turned the corner on defense. All of those games featured quirky circumstances in which a crapload of offensive points ended up being left on the field in a way that had nothing to do with defensive performance. The 49ers left a TD on the field at the end of the game and missed a long FG too in the first half. The Cardinals missed a FG and their offense was not on the field due to multiple defensive TDs. The Broncos lost two of their receivers in the game and passed on multiple FGAs. These were by no means bad defensive games by the Rams, but I think it is pretty clear that they caught a lot of breaks in these games that kept their points yielded on defense down.