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What is a "true #1 WR"??

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by blackbart, Mar 8, 2014.

  1. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    Look at the teams who are winning Super Bowls...

    Seattle-Went without big name guys Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin. No real TE threat. Golden Tate?
    Baltimore-Torrey Smith,Jacoby Jones and Boldin. Ok nice receivers but are they elite? No TE threat.
    Green Bay-? A bunch of quality guys. Decent TE but hardly elite(J.Finley).
    New Orleans-? A bunch of quality guys. Jimmy Graham emerged as an elite TE the following season.
    Pittsburgh-A couple solid guys. Ward,Holmes and Wallace. Elite TE in H.Miller.
     
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  2. rdlkgliders Well-Known Member

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    I hear what you are saying mojo however all teams have different makeup and chemistry. The things in common on the above teams is Depth, Defense and not to start a fire but arguably a better QB in at least 4 of 5 above examples by most people outside of the ROD
     
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  3. Blue and Gold Well-Known Member

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    Correct. When they can play outside as well as they do out of slot, then they will be #1 WRs. Sometimes a running back will lead a team in receptions. That does not make them a #1 WR, IMO
     
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  4. NJRamsFan Cocaine Cowboy

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    Whats with all the new guys saying just saying Sammy watkins over and over?
     
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  5. Faceplant Well-Known Member

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    Good question. Its like some people's mantra around here.
     
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  6. CGI_Ram Hamburger Connoisseur

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    It's like some sort of flu bug!
     
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  7. BonifayRam Well-Known Member

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    Sure looks like total failure by Snead & Fisher to get a WR to meet the above demands...Quick-Givens-Austin-Bailey. Plain truth that's four mistakes two of those four are very big mistakes if that holds true! If that conclusion continues in the very near future with all those four players then there will be sure some more consequences & ramifications.... some more of which came home to haunt us badly in 2013..... Scary!
     
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  8. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    For me, a true #1 WR is a WR that possesses no limitations on where he can attack the field, dictates coverage, is consistent and reliable and is capable of winning 1 on 1 match-ups with #1 CBs.
     
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  9. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Same. But some here seem to believe that if he gets hurt, he hurts us more than he helps.

    Agreed. You can dictate coverage with your running game and if you protect your QB, a #1 WR is a whole lot less important.
     
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  10. Boffo97 Well-Known Member

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    And other people's mantra is Robinson and/or Matthews. And it's going to be that way until a pick is made.

    And I'd say of that list, only Quick was drafted as a potential #1. Austin was drafted as a "special weapon" type, and the others were drafted after the 2nd round, which I would imagine produced significantly fewer #1 WRs.

    I'd still say what looks like total failure by Snead & Fisher is signing a big bucks LT when we already had an LT, and now people want to draft another LT. (Although thankfully, if the Rams go that route, Long can be cut next year with only $2.4 million in "dead money", but for this year, we would have a fully guaranteed salary $9.25 million lame duck.)
     
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  11. BonifayRam Well-Known Member

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    ?? Who would that be?:whistle:
     
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  12. iced Well-Known Member

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    It's a bigger indictment of the Rams WR position coach than it is Snead and Fisher, imo. We've seen Bourdau make a hell lot more with less - can't say the same for Sherman. He had Dez bryant in Dallas - which begs the question - is it the coaching at WR position, or is it the talent there?

    Austin isn't a #1 nor is he meant to be. He's a weapon, a game changer - like a randall cobb, sproles, or reggie bush
     
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  13. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    Sure they do,but we can go back even further and realize that it's not imperative to trot out a 6'3" WR with blazing speed who can't be covered.
    IMO building a championship roster is as much about building chemistry and continuity as it is about trying to assemble the most talented 22 starters to put on the field.

    I totally agree that defense still wins championships. I've stated so countless times in here :coach:

    As for your QB comment...i don't know,it seems to me that having an intelligent QB who doesn't make mistakes is a common theme as well. I've been very candid about my feelings on Bradford. He's been disappointing in my eyes and i have my concerns,but i fully support him,and i do think he can win a Super Bowl here. Things just have to fall into place in other areas around him(better defense and better protection namely).
     
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  14. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Come again? Miles Austin went from a UDFA to a multiple time Pro Bowler under Sherman in Dallas. Same with Donald Driver in Green Bay. Javon Walker also went to the Pro Bowl in Sherman's final year in Green Bay(although Walker was a first rounder).

    It's amazing to me that Rams fans have been blaming the WR Coach since Holt and Bruce left. Back then, it was talent. Now? It's youth. Give the guy a chance to coach. He has a strong track record in the league.
     
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  15. PhxRam The Estimated Prophet

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    Was there another one?
     
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  16. PhxRam The Estimated Prophet

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    I get what you are saying, but sometimes coaches need to take a different approach.

    Vermeil is a prime example.. If he doesnt change to adapt to todays NFL, GSOT probably doesnt exist.

    Maybe Sherman needs to change it up as well.
     
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  17. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe...or maybe he just needs a chance to get these young guys adjusted. I've seen improvement in Pettis. And personally, I think Givens's lack of improvement is on him.
     
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  18. PhxRam The Estimated Prophet

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    Where is that line?

    At what point can we stop using his past to predict the future?
     
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  19. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Who knows. Guess we'll find out.
     
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  20. RamFan503 Grill and Brew Master

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    I don't Sammy Watkins know what you Sammy Watkins mean.
     
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