We have 3 players that are a bit problematic, huh?

[London59]

Sorry man, Just don't agree with you. You say Austin weakens the team. I'd bet most would say lanes open up even more because of him. And quite frankly, I'm getting extremely tired of these continued Austin threads. If the dude made $1M we'd never bring him up. I've said it in another thread, before this year he had over 22 combined touchdowns since he came into the league. Who exactly is going to replace that production?? He missed almost all of training camp due to injury. He's still rounding into shape. Let's be fair too, it's up to coach to get him the ball, same with Watkins.
The only one I'd say I can understand is Quinn. He's not the same as he was. Seems to rely solely on trying to speed rush outside only. But he's still got a couple sacks and pressures. Maybe something to look at.
But as for the WR's I can't get on board with your opinion.

P.S. That's not blasting you at all, we all have our opinions and I respect that. Just don't agree.
The more Austin and Watkins get the ball the better they have to make something happen. Look at Gurley compared to last year. Why? Hell of a lot more touches and actual blocking I promise you if Austin and Watkins weren't lined up defenses would be stacking the box a lot more.

I would love to see pharaoh Cooper given a chance on the fly sweeps. He might do as well or better. Plus, after faking to him he is an actual true receiver that can be utilized.

 

[I like Rams]

I think the whole "decoy" talk is getting a bit ridiculous when it comes to Watkins and Austin, imo. ANY great receiver is going to be a decoy for any offense that possesses that receiver. But what separates these great receivers from the rest is they still make plays regardless how much attention is being paid to them. That's how they continue being great players. THEY STILL MAKE PLAYS. Austin has been our offensive "decoy" since he came into the league. Every commentator and fans of the team will say every time he's on the field "watch out for Tavon, he has the ability to take it to the house..." Well im still waiting for him to make seperation and take it to the house... I dont care what he is capable of if he cant do it consistantly. Before it was "well he's in a bad offense". Ok, well 6 games in and we're still waiting. How long can we wait?

Same for Watkins. This dude is regarded as an elite talent as a receiver. Besides the 49ners game against a poor secondary, he's been quiet. His former teammate at Buffalo, Woods, is making plays. Why was Watkins making more plays than Woods at Buffalo when they played together? If going by this whole "decoy" logic, wouldnt Woods stats be better than Watkins when at Buffalo bc all the attention was on Watkins? Doesnt add up. Watkins is going to create alot of attention, but that does not mean he should not be making plays consistanly. Unless he is not the receiver we thought he was, or he just doesnt care. So far Mr. Woods should be considered the real "decoy" bc he gets open and makes plays.

 

[LesBaker]

The amount the dumb crap who extended him did for now I guess! Lol One thing I wish Fisher didn’t do before he left if I could choose.

Fisher didn't do contracts, Demoff did and still does. So you can't blame Fisher or Snead.

I'ma go ahead and say I don't like Sammy Watkins, I think he is problem, and runs super lazy routes, and half asses his effort at times. I don't expect him to be with us after this season.

We are 6 games in, it's worth reserving judgement for a bit IMO.

Agreed. Not only does Pharoh have the ability to run those as a decoy, but he can also <gasp> give McVay the flexibility of putting him out there on routes in the passing game.

Sorry but he is not the same threat that Austin is because Austin can take any possession all the way for a TD. There is a difference between running the play before the ball is snapped and before anyone has it and after the snap and who does have it.

In case you have never noticed before, I always write in Bold. and the exclamation point are just my style!

I just always assume you meant to post in blue hahahahaha

 

[kurtfaulk]

Tavon Austin. My feelings are well known. He’s a man without a position. And weakens the team when he’s placed on the field.

i fail to see how creating space for gurley weakens the team. can you expand on this because i stopped reading the post from this point.

actually, don't bother.

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[Corbin]

Fisher didn't do contracts, Demoff did and still does. So you can't blame Fisher or Snead.



We are 6 games in, it's worth reserving judgement for a bit IMO.



Sorry but he is not the same threat that Austin is because Austin can take any possession all the way for a TD. There is a difference between running the play before the ball is snapped and before anyone has it and after the snap and who does have it.



I just always assume you meant to post in blue hahahahaha

And whose influence and direction did Demoff use to resign players? That’s a football decision which falls under Fisher not operational which is Demoffs dept.

 

[LesBaker]

And whose influence and direction did Demoff use to resign players? That’s a football decision which falls under Fisher not operational which is Demoffs dept.

Demoff does the contracts. If you think Fisher was doling out money you are way off base.

Demoff has had contract duties since he came to the Rams.

Sorry, but you are just flat out wrong.

 

[Rams43]

i fail to see how creating space for gurley weakens the team. can you expand on this because i stopped reading the post from this point.

actually, don't bother.

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All due respect, kurtfaulk, but this reply of yours is a perfect example of your open mindedness and ability to consider the Tavon situation objectively.

 

[bwdenverram]

I’m not certain you intended to reply to my post instead of the OP’s. I didn’t say he weakened the team, only that Cooper can do the same things. He’s certainly done as well or better at the return game. Wouldn’t he ALSO help create lanes for Gurley on Jet Sweeps? Is he not also a creative ball carrier in space? And I haven’t ever mentioned money...but next year I might when it becomes relevant.

My bad man I didn't mean you :0

 

[Corbin]

Demoff does the contracts. If you think Fisher was doling out money you are way off base.

Demoff has had contract duties since he came to the Rams.

Sorry, but you are just flat out wrong.

Obviously Demoff does contracts. That’s common sense.

Who do you think tells Demoff to extend or sign FA?

Fisher.

Demoff doesn’t just do that by himself. He did it as request by the guy who has roster control.

 

[-X-]

Obviously Demoff does contracts. That’s common sense.

Who do you think tells Demoff to extend or sign FA?

Fisher.

Demoff doesn’t just do that by himself. He did it as request by the guy who has roster control.

True story. He spoke about that in detail. They were a triad of sorts. Fisher and Snead would determine who they wanted, and then they'd go to Demoff who would then tell them if said player would fit into their *long term* financial plans. Demoff has this stuff figured out years in advance with all the players. And let's not pretend he just picks a number out of his ass and throws it at the player. That's a negotiation between Demoff and the agent(s) with a cap to the negotiations already predetermined. Sometimes they pay a bit more than *we'd* like, but that's the cost of doing business if the coach or GM (or both) want to retain or sign a guy and not lose him.

After ALL of the constant complaining about what guys cost and how much they "bled" the Rams, has this team ever been in cap trouble with Demoff handling these things? Say what you want about other stuff, but there's never been an issue with him handling that department.

 

[Soul Surfer]

And whose influence and direction did Demoff use to resign players? That’s a football decision which falls under Fisher not operational which is Demoffs dept.

Fisher pointed out a couple of times that he had "final say".

Extending Tavon was a Fisher thing.

 

[Soul Surfer]

has this team ever been in cap trouble with Demoff handling these things?

They going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for money when they extend Donald.
He's going to set a NFL record for defensive players.

No chance we can pay any dead weight like Tavon.

 

[-X-]

They going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for money when they extend Donald he's going to set a NFL record for defensive players.

No chance we can pay any dead weight like Tavon.

Same exact things were said about Bradford. If Tavon isn't needed by McVay, then that's gonna work itself out. If McVay wants him, something else will get worked out.

Y'all worry too much.

 

[Corbin]

Fisher pointed out a couple of times that he had "final say".

Extending Tavon was a Fisher thing.

Hmmm after reading my post I see how it can be misconstrued that I think that Demoff did it and Fisher didn't have final say. This is something I totally do not believe, Fisher had total say who to sign/resign.Headaches fuck you sometimes! lol

 

[Corbin]

True story. He spoke about that in detail. They were a triad of sorts. Fisher and Snead would determine who they wanted, and then they'd go to Demoff who would then tell them if said player would fit into their *long term* financial plans. Demoff has this stuff figured out years in advance with all the players. And let's not pretend he just picks a number out of his ass and throws it at the player. That's a negotiation between Demoff and the agent(s) with a cap to the negotiations already predetermined. Sometimes they pay a bit more than *we'd* like, but that's the cost of doing business if the coach or GM (or both) want to retain or sign a guy and not lose him.

After ALL of the constant complaining about what guys cost and how much they "bled" the Rams, has this team ever been in cap trouble with Demoff handling these things? Say what you want about other stuff, but there's never been an issue with him handling that department.

How about you shut your face and start replying more X? lol

 

[Soul Surfer]

Hmmm after reading my post I see how it can be misconstrued that I think that Demoff did it and Fisher didn't have final say. This is something I totally do not believe, Fisher had total say who to sign/resign.Headaches freak you sometimes! lol

I was just agreeing with you.

 

[kurtfaulk]

All due respect, kurtfaulk, but this reply of yours is a perfect example of your open mindedness and ability to consider the Tavon situation objectively.

There is only one way to consider the tavon situation. The rams won't cut him, they can't trade him, so they will use him in ways to benefit the team. Then mcvay will make a call after this season whether to keep him or get rid of him.

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[RAMsacked]

Quinn is a situational pass rusher. Tavon [Austin is a gimmick player that defenses Key on. whenever he’s in the problem is we keep giving him the ball He is a decoy only he has fumbled for a more times this season already 4. For Sure punts. Watkins. I’m not so sure I know what the problem is It’s will show in the next 2 weeks thou.

 

[Ramlock]

There is only one way to consider the tavon situation. The rams won't cut him, they can't trade him, so they will use him in ways to benefit the team. Then mcvay will make a call after this season whether to keep him or get rid of him.

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Sums it up well....

Kinda makes the weekly Tavon referendum useless if you ask me.

 

[jrry32]

All due respect, kurtfaulk, but this reply of yours is a perfect example of your open mindedness and ability to consider the Tavon situation objectively.

I'd say that this is the pot calling the kettle black, but that would be a disservice to @kurtfaulk because I haven't seen anything in his history that indicates he's biased for or against Austin.

Did we really need another thread attacking Tavon? It's getting to be like Craig Dahl, Donnie Avery, etc. at this point. He's on the team until the end of the year. Let's just have a moratorium until then.(and this is an example of the pot calling the kettle black)