Vinny On Rams OL Turnaround

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http:www.ocregister.com/217/09/27/bonsignore-offensive-lines-turnaround
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Vinny didn't mention how the Rams OL just plain got "schooled". No real veteran leadership to teach the youngsters the "tricks of the trade." Coach Boo assumed they all were taught proper technique in college,

Watching the OL play last season was painful. Barnes getting pushed back in the pocket every snap, Gurley fighting a defensive lineman for the handoff,Goff with hands in his face every time he goes to throw.

This years OL has just 3 games under its belt, but the improvement is huge. They have yet to get real "continuity", but they're getting there.

Sunday they need to play their best game yet if they want any real respectablility from the ret of the league. All they need is to play a competitive game.
 
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That right side still scares me but they give me hope they can still be adequate, to possibly good, as the season goes on and they all get experience together. Just please god let us have a healthy year on the o-line. So sick of seeing Saffold have to move all over the line only to be injured himself after a while. Having Saffold and Whitworth manning that left side together all season will be the number 1 reason this offense keeps performing.

Speaking of which, is Sullivan all right? Has there been anything about him?
 

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I wouldn't say that the O line is totally fixed until we see them long-term.

We may not be as thin as I thought we were after seeing the performance from Blythe.
He looked like a pro.

They DEFINITELY have looked better so far.

I almost fell to my knees and cried when I heard we had signed Whitworth. :D
 
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I wouldn't say that the O line is totally fixed until we see them long-term.

We may not be as thin as I thought we were after seeing the performance from Blythe.
He looked like a pro.

They DEFINITELY have looked better so far.

I almost fell to my knees and cried when I heard we had signed Whitworth. :D
Amen.
So stoked we landed Whitworth.
Sullivan has been a positive too. Not perfect but certainly an improvement.
It was very encouraging that the O line didn't miss a beat with Blythe came in vs SF.
There were pressures vs SF. Mostly from the right side. Play design has helped give the QB outs. Goff has been better at avoiding sacks too.
Like others have said it's not perfect but improvement has been huge.
Seattle game will be a great test. One of the best D fronts on football. Talk about a D rock solid up the middle.
 

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Speaking of which, is Sullivan all right? Has there been anything about him?

He didn't practice on Wednesday and if he can't go I believe the Rams would have to make a roster move, most likely activated Aaron Neary from the Practice Squad and releasing Cornelius Lucas with hopes of adding to the PS.

With that being posted and I know some of you feel that I'm tough on Blythe, but my concern is, he's not as long as Sullivan (short armed) so I hope that's not an issue on some of the reach blocks and I believe with Carrier in the backfield leading the way for Gurley, the Rams can run the football right down the Cowboys throat.
 

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Bonsignore: Offensive line’s turnaround has keyed everything for the Rams

Rob Havenstein heard all the talk. So did Jamon Brown. Same with Rodger Saffold

It was impossible not to.

The three Rams offensive linemen are holdovers from a group that was regarded as the worst line in the NFL last year, a distinction no one was shy about pointing out.

Meet this week’s Rams opponent: Dallas Cowboys
Bluntly. Loudly. Conspicuously.

If the hits and criticism weren’t coming from the voices around the team, they were right there staring back at them in the mirror, or when they reflected on a season in which the Rams line failed to spring one of the best young running backs in the game for more than 100 yards in 16 games and surrendered an absurd 49 sacks.

That included a horrifying 26 in the seven games rookie quarterback Jared Goff started.

So yeah, they heard it all.

“You take it personal,” Havenstein said. “How can you not?”

“It’s hard not to take it personal,” Brown said. “Because you take pride in what you do. But It is what it is. Numbers and results don’t lie.”

Havenstein and Brown weren’t talking in past tense, but they have every right to. So does Saffold. Same with Andrew Whitworth and John Sullivan, the two newcomers to the Rams offensive line.

You might as well throw new line coach Aaron Kromer in there as well. And Coach Sean McVay and offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur.

They’ve all played a role in the Rams line going from the worst in the NFL to one anchoring an offense that’s averaging a league-high 35.7 points through three games.

Which, considering the hot mess of an offense the Rams flung out on the field week after week after frustrating week last season, wow.

And while you’d get no argument that Goff and Todd Gurley and new wide receivers Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins and Cooper Kupp and rookie tight end Gerald Everett deserve the biggest bows for the remarkable turnaround, let’s not kid ourselves: If it ain’t happening up front in run- and pass-blocking, it ain’t happening anywhere else on the field.

The transformation of Goff. The production of the passing game. The resurgence of Gurley and all those mind-boggling points. None of it happens if Havenstein, Brown, Sullivan, Saffold and Whitworth aren’t carrying out the orders of McVay, Kromer and LaFleur at the high level they’ve been.

And in doing so, providing Goff the necessary time to thoroughly scan the field on most of his pass attempts and throw from safe pockets. Goff has thrown to eight different wide receivers twice in three games, and on a handful of occasions he has been afforded enough time to deliver the ball to Gurley as his last option for significant gains. Goff has been sacked just three times on 81 pass attempts, and while he has had to use his feet, moxie and pressure-awareness to buy an extra second or two or create space to throw from, more often than not he’s operating in clean, safe pockets.

“I can’t say enough about those guys. They haven’t gotten any credit and it’s been mainly them,” Goff said. “With Todd’s production, I know Todd would say the same thing, he’s been running well but he ain’t running anywhere without any holes. He’s not catching the ball out of the backfield and Robert (Woods) and Sammy (Watkins) and Cooper (Kupp) and Tavon (Austin) and all the guys we got aren’t catching the ball – if we don’t have time.”

Gurley endured one of the worst sophomore slumps in recent memory last year, gaining just 885 yards and averaging 3.2 yards per carry. He has surged over the past two weeks, running for 201 yards on a 4.5 yards-per-clip average.

The improved passing game obviously helps. Teams can no longer pay lip service to Goff and his weapons while loading the box against Gurley with eight or nine defenders. But the improved scheme and imagination of McVay’s offense and bigger running lanes have also helped.

It all points to an offensive line that was battered, bruised and continually called out last year, only to return this season remade in some areas, better and more mature in others and collectively better-coached and more efficient.

And that represents quite the turnaround.

“It’s your job, so absolutely you take it personal,” Havenstein said. “You have a bad year in any other business, you get fired. I think a lot of the guys that carried over from last year to this year, we worked our buns off to make sure we showed everyone we were good enough to be here. In terms of self assessment, obviously we all took it very personally. We looked at what we could do as an individuals to add skills to the room. We’re still working on that.”

Step one in the rehabilitation process was firing Jeff Fisher and replacing him with McVay, who subsequently added Kromer, a veteran line coach and former offensive coordinator who has a long track record of developing strong lines.

“You see where Aaron Kromer is, typically there’s been a lot success that follows it and guys play hard up front, they compete.” McVay said. “They’re sound fundamentally, I think he does a nice job, he’s got a great vision for the run game and how you protect. The more that I’m around him, the more you have an appreciation for him, you feel great that he’s our offensive line coach and it’s been a joy working with him so far.”

Aside from some changes Kromer made schematically – the Rams are a combination zone, gap, trap and pitch run offense – he has fostered a positive environment that encourages dialogue and queries.

That was a point of emphasis in the staff McVay assembled. He put a premium on teaching and development and creating a positive environment.

“We talk about it all the time, as a coach you’re really a teacher,” McVay said. “But it’s important for us to realize that you’re not only transmitting information, you want to make sure that you’re giving it back and there’s a dialogue because if you’re just giving out information and never forcing them to give it back to you, you have no idea where they’re at. So, I think that’s part of the learning process, that’s what makes him a good teacher and really, we’ve got a lot of example of that on our coaching staff. That was kind of what we sought out when we were assembling this staff.”

Kromer embodies it.

“Our approach is it’s their offensive line, and I’m the teacher,” Kromer said. “I’ll give them the information. I’ll show them how we think we should do it. But it’s ultimately their line, and they’re going to get out of it whatever they put into it.”

To the outside it might sound like a cliche.

But the Rams locker room is living proof of it.

And the offensive line is no exception.

“We’ve got a great vibe in that room right now,” Havenstein said “You can ask questions to try and get better. It’s just a really good environment right now.

“I feel like guys in our room, we can ask questions about techniques and little things and the differences between defensive players and how we can go about attacking them,” Havenstein added. “We have a good atmosphere there to learn and communicate and ask questions.”

Step two was upgrading the talent level.

The Rams immediately targeted Whitworth in free agency, believing he’d make an impact on multiple fronts. The 35-year-old All Pro offered an immediate and dramatic improvement from Greg Robinson, who never lived up to expectations as the second overall pick in the 2013 draft and, by last year, was a liability protecting Goff and Case Keenum’s blind side.

Whitworth has been everything the Rams could have hoped for in that regard, allowing just one sack through three games and surrendering the fewest quarterback pressures of any lineman in the NFL.

Just as importantly, Whitworth was a willing and conscientious leader the Rams envisioned as a tutor – along with Saffold – for a young offensive line. The signing of Sullivan, a veteran center also noted for his leadership qualities, was designed to have the same effect.

For youngsters such as Havenstein and Brown, it was a game-changer.

“They’ve meant so much to our success,” Brown said.

Added Havenstein: “I think a lot of it comes down to the leaders we have on this team and in that room. Whit. John. Rodger. They’ve done a great job helping the rest of the room out. Whether it’s just scheme things or a technique thing here or there. Whatever it is.”

Of course none of that means anything if the players don’t execute and perform. But like Brown said, numbers don’t lie and through three games the line is performing at a more than acceptable clip. It’s the result of the new additions making an impact, Brown and Havenstein being healthy and getting better and Saffold settling in at left guard after moving up and down the line of scrimmage last year.

“We’re developing,” Kromer said. “I think adding Andrew Whitworth and his veteran play and knowledge of the game and way to prepare has helped the group. John Sullivan is a really smart football player. And he can help with tips and understanding defenses. So when you have that combination of veteran presence and youth it’s really helped develop the group.”
 

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I spent a lot of time watching Whitworth against the 49ers, and man, he just locks his guy up and gives away nothing. It was hopeless for their pass rush on that side of the line.
 

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This is a legit thread. I'm a big advocate of having solid play in the trenches. We are on our way guys, we are on our way. IMO, we need to draft our next Whitworth in next years(2018) or the following years draft (2019). Whoever that guy is, needs to be Whitworth's apprentice in every way.

Whitworth is a pros pro. Man, how I wish we would have had him earlier.
 

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As the old cliche goes... the game is won or lost in the trenches.

I have always believed that.

Of course adding Whitworth and Sullivan was big... but I really think a lot of the improvement is due to coaching (as the article points out).

I can't help but get really upset when I read articles about how the coaching has made a huge difference this year. Then, thinking about all the coach speak and outright lies from Fisher and his staff for five years.

I swear... if I ever met Fisher, I'd tell him to F off.

It's early.. I get that. But everyone on that team seems to be on the same page and buying in to the culture.

Without that? You will be very hard pressed to be a successful team in the NFL.
 

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Fisher's biggest failure (and Boudreau's also) regarding the OL, was not recognizing the importance of veteran players. From their years of experience in the trenches, they know all the "tricks of the trade". The little cheating tactics DL'ers get away with. The holding, the kick in the nuts when the ref's aren't looking. The fakes, the mis-direction. They only had Saffold, and he's not a teacher type.
 

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Fisher's biggest failure (and Boudreau's also) regarding the OL, was not recognizing the importance of veteran players. From their years of experience in the trenches, they know all the "tricks of the trade". The little cheating tactics DL'ers get away with. The holding, the kick in the nuts when the ref's aren't looking. The fakes, the mis-direction. They only had Saffold, and he's not a teacher type.[/QUO

I think Fisher's failure was that he put more time into deciding what style sunglasses he was going to wear on Sundays rather than putting a good game plan together.
 

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I think Fisher's failure was that he put more time into deciding what style sunglasses he was going to wear on Sundays rather than putting a good game plan together.

:LOL:
 

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Fisher's biggest failure (and Boudreau's also) regarding the OL, was not recognizing the importance of veteran players. From their years of experience in the trenches, they know all the "tricks of the trade". The little cheating tactics DL'ers get away with. The holding, the kick in the nuts when the ref's aren't looking. The fakes, the mis-direction. They only had Saffold, and he's not a teacher type.

Also relying on athletic freaks for the most part when it comes to drafting. I like McSnead's approach to finding the right balance between athleticism and football IQ
 

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Everything has a cause and effect.

The offense has more weapons and more aggressive play calling... That helps the OL, QB, WR, TE, and Gurley.

As it stands right now, defenses can't just pin their ears back and attack knowing the best we can score is about 17pts/game... which was the case last year.

No doubt the offensive line is better, but they are in a much better environment to succeed.

Thank god for McVay's offensive moxie. What a change!
 

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I spent a lot of time watching Whitworth against the 49ers, and man, he just locks his guy up and gives away nothing. It was hopeless for their pass rush on that side of the line.

Just to get this out of the way first for perspective: I hated the GRob pick, didn't like him as a player, and was ecstatic when Whitworth was brought in to replace him.

Watching Whitworth so far, I've seen numerous times he gets away with stuff that I'm sure would have gotten Robinson called for holding. I think it's a reputation thing, both good and bad. Maybe it's also like pitch framing in baseball. You just have to do it in a way that makes the refs see a good block. In the last few years I've grown tired of other teams getting all the calls on the line. I'm glad we've finally got a guy who gets them.