Very impressed with MVick OFF the field

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I never thought much of him as a player, and the dog fighting thing was disgusting obviously.

But I saw an interview with him a few years ago and it was pretty clear he was a changed man and he understood what he did and how awful it was. Reading this I have to give him credit, he's paying it all back not just a portion which is what always happens in a bankruptcy.


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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...ork-jets-quarterback-michael-vick-nearly-debt

When Michael Vick filed for bankruptcy protection in July 2008, his only income came from mopping floors at 12 cents an hour in the early morning hours at Leavenworth prison.

Less than seven years later, Vick is weeks away from paying off the majority of the nearly $18 million he owed his creditors.



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Denny Medley/USA TODAY SportsThanks in part to living on a budget of $300,000, veteran quarterback Michael Vick has paid off the majority of the $17.8 million he owed to creditors.


Since getting out of prison, where he served 548 days for taking part in an illegal dogfighting ring, Vick hasn't fully returned to his former self on the field, showing only flashes of the player he was before his career and life were derailed. But his financial comeback, while less public, has been quite successful.

While his actions involving dogs led some to believe he would never get back on the football field again, this year is Vick's sixth season of playing after serving his prison sentence. That's equal to the number of years Vick played before his prison term.

In the five-year period (2010 to 2014) in which he agreed to go on a restrictive budget to pay back his creditors, Vick earned more than $49 million during four seasons with thePhiladelphia Eagles and one with the New York Jets.

Joseph Luzinski, a senior vice president at Development Specialists Inc., a management consultancy firm and the liquidating trustee in Vick's bankruptcy, said that because of the amount of money Vick made, he has paid off more than $15 million (84.7 percent) of the $17.8 million he owed. Luzinski said there is still a real estate asset to be sold after Vick's deal with his creditors ends Dec. 31, which could raise the amount he has repaid.

"What Michael did was the exception, not the rule," Luzinski said. "He didn't have to do this. The law allows you to skate by and pay your creditors 10 or 20 cents on the dollar, but he thought this was the right thing to do."

Vick said he could have filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy instead of Chapter 11, which he ultimately chose. The former would have meant most of his debts would have been forgiven.

"I didn't want to stiff people who never stiffed me," Vick said.

He said he is thrilled the plan worked out.

"I feel blessed because I came out and found myself in a position where I had a lot of people that really believed in me, people who gave me an opportunity," Vick said. "At the time, it wasn't about trying to fulfill all the bankruptcy needs. I was trying to fulfill all the needs that I had in my life because I had nothing."




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I had never been on a budget before, so I had to pay attention to everything that I was doing. Now I realize that I don't need certain things I bought back in the day, like a new boat.

”- Michael Vick


Even as Vick resumed his playing career and started making money again, it wasn't clear this day would come. In fact, the Atlanta Falcons, who in March 2009 settled with Vick to get $6.5 million in salary back, might not have had faith that Vick would come through. Less than two years into Vick's attempt to pay off his creditors, the Falcons got out.

In March 2011, the team sold its liability to Fortress Capital, the investment firm that was co-founded by Milwaukee Bucks owner Wesley Edens. What Fortress paid in hopes of getting the $6.5 million back is unclear, as the documentation of the transaction submitted to the court doesn't disclose the amount. But it can be assumed that the deal came at enough of a discount to appeal to Fortress, which manages $66 billion.

Fortress spokesman Gordon Runte declined to comment. A call placed to the Falcons for comment was not immediately returned.

For the Falcons, Vick said making the call on waiting for the money was "hit or miss."

"That was like playing the lottery," Vick said. "They didn't know if I was going to fully come back, and if you were to ask me, I would have done the same thing. But that's just how God worked in this situation."

As part of the plan to pay off his creditors, Vick stuck to living on a $300,000 budget, because more than 50 percent of what he was making went toward taxes and legal fees.

"I had never been on a budget before, so I had to pay attention to everything that I was doing," Vick said. "Now I realize that I don't need certain things I bought back in the day, like a new boat."

Vick's wife, Kijafa, said money doesn't have the same appeal it used to. She said she will never forget the times when one of their daughters would spend all day in the house searching for Michael, who was in prison at the time.

"Money is not what makes us happy," she said. "What makes us happy is to have him with us."

Vick says when he goes back to his normal lifestyle after the end of the month, he won't spend money like he used to.

"But I'm still a car guy," he said. "So I'll still buy cars."
 

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Proof that there is light at the end of the tunnel....No need to crush guys....I think the league could learn a thing from this and send out Ray Rice & Adrian Peterson to basically lead the charge on reform. Can you imagine how many lives AP & Rice could touch/change on a country wide speaking tour to high schools & colleges?
 

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This isn't going to end well...
 

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I've been pretty vocal in my dislike of Vick, even pointing out that his hypothetically being a Ram would be about the only thing I could think of that could make me stop supporting the team. And I will say I'm impressed by this, especially since it's not just money he borrowed he paid back, but the debt he had to the Falcons (that they sold elsewhere).

That said, I still think it's not quite cause yet to talk about how he's turned it around, still don't want him anywhere near this team, and still think the NFL has to drastically rework conduct suspensions as they're pretty much slaps on the wrists for everything except PEDs.
 

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I've been pretty vocal in my dislike of Vick, even pointing out that his hypothetically being a Ram would be about the only thing I could think of that could make me stop supporting the team. And I will say I'm impressed by this, especially since it's not just money he borrowed he paid back, but the debt he had to the Falcons (that they sold elsewhere).

That said, I still think it's not quite cause yet to talk about how he's turned it around, still don't want him anywhere near this team, and still think the NFL has to drastically rework conduct suspensions as they're pretty much slaps on the wrists for everything except PEDs.

I wouldn't want him on the Rams either.

I don't know who did the interview but I can tell you it's clear that he isn't the same guy that did what he did at those kennels. He was remorseful and you could see that he regretted what he did, not just getting caught but actually doing it.
 

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And I thought this was a civil Rams forum! :)

I always thought Vick was just plain not smart and got used by others because of that.

I do believe he learned his lesson and this seems to point in that direction.
 

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Yeah, I felt like the thread isn't going to end well. People are still bugged by what he did, so it will inevitably go south ..... IMO. I felt he was a scumbag, but I was a scumbag too when I was young, so I can't say the guy deserves no second chances. Plus he paid his debt (more or less). Glad to see he's not involved in that stuff anymore. And I can't for the life of me understand how he could live on*only* $300K a year. Poor bastid.
 

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Nobody who tortures innocent living beings to death deserves any form of sympathy or respect. I don't care if he's a changed man or not. To me, he will always be the monster who drowned, electrocuted, and beat dogs to death, threw smaller dogs to his own dogs as "practice" for the real thing, used rape stands (which are considered inhumane by every respectable animal protection agency) to breed dogs, and caused permanent psychological damage to his own dogs - to the point where hundreds had to be euthanized.
 

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Always liked Vick, entertained the shit out of me when he came into the league. I also belive that everyone makes mistakes, some mistakes are bigger than others but he did his time for his mistake.
 

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Nobody who tortures innocent living beings to death deserves any form of sympathy or respect. I don't care if he's a changed man or not. To me, he will always be the monster who drowned, electrocuted, and beat dogs to death, threw smaller dogs to his own dogs as "practice" for the real thing, used rape stands (which are considered inhumane by every respectable animal protection agency) to breed dogs, and caused permanent psychological damage to his own dogs - to the point where hundreds had to be euthanized.

Lover of dogs here has well. My beagle Flash would attest, as would all the other many dogs I've raised since I was a boy. I share your outrage over animal cruelty but what you're leaving out is the possibility for forgiveness and redemption. Without that we'd all be screwed.

I've been a weekly volunteer in the Federal prison system since 2000 and absolutely have to believe that there is a possibility for redemption for each and every inmate I've come across in all those years. Why do I do that? Because when I was a young man and ran with the wrong crowd I did some illegal and terrible things myself and someone had enough faith in me to give me another chance.

People do change for the better at times. Hopefully Michael Vick is one of those.
 

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Always liked Vick, entertained the crap out of me when he came into the league. I also belive that everyone makes mistakes, some mistakes are bigger than others but he did his time for his mistake.

What he did was NOT a mistake. It was a cold calculated plan that he spent a few million dollars putting together. Thats not a mistake.

But he does now see where he was wrong and is not the same guy. So I have to give him props.

I wouldn't have him over for dinner, and I don't want him anywhere near the Rams but when a human gets reclaimed that isn't a bad thing right?
 

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What he did was NOT a mistake. It was a cold calculated plan that he spent a few million dollars putting together. Thats not a mistake.

But he does now see where he was wrong and is not the same guy. So I have to give him props.

I wouldn't have him over for dinner, and I don't want him anywhere near the Rams but when a human gets reclaimed that isn't a bad thing right?
What wasn't a mistake, the torture and drowning of dogs or knowingly giving a woman herpes?
 

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What he did was NOT a mistake. It was a cold calculated plan that he spent a few million dollars putting together. Thats not a mistake.

But he does now see where he was wrong and is not the same guy. So I have to give him props.

I wouldn't have him over for dinner, and I don't want him anywhere near the Rams but when a human gets reclaimed that isn't a bad thing right?

At the time he was doing it, yea, it was most likely a plan. But im sure if you asked him now he would say his actions were wrong.

Reclaimed, nope not a bad thing imo. I'd rather have someone learn and change than repeat the same shit.
 

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What wasn't a mistake, the torture and drowning of dogs or knowingly giving a woman herpes?

Neither were mistakes. One was a total disregard for another person and the other was a massive multi million dollar dog fighting scheme that was a felony.

That doesn't preclude him from seeing what he did and realizing and admitting it was wrong and paying the price and becoming a better person.

Too bad most people who commit hideous crimes like him don't wake the fuck up like he seems to have done. That's all I'm trying to get at here.
 
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