The post season RAMifications of our Minn game

[Stel]

Don't like to think past the current game, but hard not to do so mid week when you're bored. The STL-MN game is very important for both teams.

At this point, the most likely teams chasing the two wild card spots are STL (4-3), MN (5-2), ATL (6-2), NO (4-4), and SEA (4-4). I think it will take at least 10 wins to make the playoffs.

MN: After us, their remaining 8 opponents are currently 38-22, with Oakland, Green Bay (x2), Atlanta, Seattle, Arizona, and NY Giants all in the play off hunt. Their only remaining non-contender opponent is Chicago. At 6-2, they have a chance for the post season. At 5-3, it will be tough. Even if they beat us, I think they have trouble winning 4 of their remaining games.

STL: After MN, our remaining 8 opponents are currently 27-34 with the only contenders being Cincinnati, Arizona, and Seattle. At 5-3, we have a pretty good chance for post season. At 4-4, it will be tough.

ATL: Their remaining 8 opponents are currently 33-26 with 4 games against contenders (and one against Indy who will likely back into the playoffs again). They have a very good chance of getting to 10 wins.

NO: Their remaining 8 opponents are currently 26-33 with only 2 games against contenders. Now that they seem to have their act together, their path to 10 wins is fairly easy as 6 of their remaining opponents have a combined record of 13-31.

SEA: Their remaining 8 opponents are currently 31-31 with 5 games against contenders (only AZ and MN on the road). Seattle is playing a lot better and has a good chance to get to 10 wins.

 

[ohiorams]

barely getting past the Cowboys is considered a lot better?

 

[DR RAM]

Don't like to think past the current game, but hard not to do so mid week when you're bored. The STL-MN game is very important for both teams.

At this point, the most likely teams chasing the two wild card spots are STL (4-3), MN (5-2), ATL (6-2), NO (4-4), and SEA (4-4). I think it will take at least 10 wins to make the playoffs.

MN: After us, their remaining 8 opponents are currently 38-22, with Oakland, Green Bay (x2), Atlanta, Seattle, Arizona, and NY Giants all in the play off hunt. Their only remaining non-contender opponent is Chicago. At 6-2, they have a chance for the post season. At 5-3, it will be tough. Even if they beat us, I think they have trouble winning 4 of their remaining games.

STL: After MN, our remaining 8 opponents are currently 27-34 with the only contenders being Cincinnati, Arizona, and Seattle. At 5-3, we have a pretty good chance for post season. At 4-4, it will be tough.

ATL: Their remaining 8 opponents are currently 33-26 with 4 games against contenders (and one against Indy who will likely back into the playoffs again). They have a very good chance of getting to 10 wins.

NO: Their remaining 8 opponents are currently 26-33 with only 2 games against contenders. Now that they seem to have their act together, their path to 10 wins is fairly easy as 6 of their remaining opponents have a combined record of 13-31.

SEA: Their remaining 8 opponents are currently 31-31 with 5 games against contenders (only AZ and MN on the road). Seattle is playing a lot better and has a good chance to get to 10 wins.

Very good points. Thank you.

 

[Picked4td]

IMO, a loss to the vikings makes a WC a long-shot and our best hopes of making playoffs becomes winning the division

 

[Jorgeh0605]

Well a win here certainly gives us control of our own destiny. If we lose this game, we will be hoping and praying for other teams to lose in the following weeks.

 

[Yamahopper]

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures


NFL Tiebreaking Procedures
The six postseason participants from each conference are seeded as follows:

1. The division champion with the best record.
2. The division champion with the second-best record.
3. The division champion with the third-best record.
4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.
5. The Wild Card club with the best record.
6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record.

The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.

NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES

1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild Card tie-breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to Step 1 of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tiebreaker, all other clubs revert to Step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.
2. In comparing records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor, since teams may have played an unequal number of games.
3. To determine home-field priority among division-titlists, apply Wild Card tie-breakers.
4. To determine home-field priority for Wild Card qualifiers, apply division tie-breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild Card tiebreakers (if teams are from different divisions).
5. To determine the best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed, add a team's position in the two categories, and the lowest score wins. For example, if Team A is first in points scored and second in points allowed, its combined ranking is "3." If Team B is third in points scored and first in points allowed, its combined ranking is "4." Team A then wins the tiebreaker. If two teams are tied for a position, both teams are awarded the ranking as if they held it solely. For example, if Team A and Team B are tied for first in points scored, each team is assigned a ranking of "1" in that category, and if Team C is third, its ranking will still be "3."

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

1. Clubs not participating in the playoffs shall select in the first through 20th positions in reverse standings order.
2. The Super Bowl winner is last and Super Bowl loser is next-to-last.
3. The losers of the Conference Championship games shall select 29th and 30th based on won-lost-tied percentage.
4. The losers of the Divisional playoff games shall select 25th through 28th based on won-lost-tied percentage.
5. The losers of the Wild Card games shall select 21st through 24th based on won-lost-tied percentage.

If ties exist in any grouping except (2) above, such ties shall be broken by strength-of-schedule. If any ties cannot be broken by strength-of-schedule, the divisional or conference tie-breakers, if applicable, shall be applied. Any ties that still exist shall be broken by a coin flip.

 

[JoeBo21]

this game is do or die. plain and simple.

 

[gabriel18]

A big game in November. How long has it been since we could say that . I hope they come ready to play

 

[SuperMan28]

I'm just a little fizzed this game wasn't flex to prime time. Just a monster, exciting, game.

And yeah, this game is huge for down the road.

 

[Raptorman]

See, I look at it different. If the Vikings beat the Rams, and the Panthers beat the Packers on Sunday, the Vikings are not going for a wild card. They are going for the Division title. Because at that point, they will be tied. And the only thing putting the Packers ahead of them would be the San Fran games.

 

[Stel]

See, I look at it different. If the Vikings beat the Rams, and the Panthers beat the Packers on Sunday, the Vikings are not going for a wild card. They are going for the Division title. Because at that point, they will be tied. And the only thing putting the Packers ahead of them would be the San Fran games.

Well, that and the fact that Minnesota has a brutal schedule the last 8 games (opponents currently 38-22) while Green Bay plays sub .500 teams in 4 of their last 8 games.

 

[Raptorman]

Well, that and the fact that Minnesota has a brutal schedule the last 8 games (opponents currently 38-22) while Green Bay plays sub .500 teams in 4 of their last 8 games.

Packers are not the same team without Jordy Nelson. Heck even the Rams held them to 24 points in Green Bay. They lived by the pass from Rodgers to Nelson. Take that away and they are a normal team. Unless someone steps up for Nelson I can easily see the last game of the season between the Vikings and the Packers going for the division title.

 

[Stel]

You may be right. The way I see it, Green Bay should win at least 10 games and Minnesota will have to play exceptionally well to get to 10 wins (especially after we beat you Sunday ). It is quite possible that that last game is a 10 & 5 Green Bay playing a 9 & 5 Minnesota for the title.

 

[ChrisW]

Heck even the Rams held them to 24 points in Green Bay.

You'd do well not to underestimate our defense. when you phrase the sentence that way, you're discounting our achievements this year.

 

[Raptorman]

You'd do well not to underestimate our defense. when you phrase the sentence that way, you're discounting our achievements this year.

The Packers have averaged 38 points per game in Lambeau over the last 3 years. Don't get me wrong, 24 is damn good for you to hold them to. Look at the trend for what they did at home already this year. 27, 38, 24, 27. Their trend is down from the 38 points. Did your Defense have something to do with it? I am sure it did.

 

[RamzFanz]

See, I look at it different. If the Vikings beat the Rams, and the Panthers beat the Packers on Sunday, the Vikings are not going for a wild card. They are going for the Division title. Because at that point, they will be tied. And the only thing putting the Packers ahead of them would be the San Fran games.

If the Vikings beat the Rams, we are still in the hunt for a divisional win. The Rams have the tiebreaker lead on the Cards and they, like the Vikings, are going to have to start beating winning teams to stay relevant.

I can see both the Cards and Vikings battling for a WC spot with the Seahawks.

 

[RamzFanz]

The Packers have averaged 38 points per game in Lambeau over the last 3 years. Don't get me wrong, 24 is damn good for you to hold them to. Look at the trend for what they did at home already this year. 27, 38, 24, 27. Their trend is down from the 38 points. Did your Defense have something to do with it? I am sure it did.

And GB had just 17 offensive points. And we robbed them of two NFL record streaks in INTs and TOs. Rodgers dared throw at our top corner once all game. Gurley ran for almost 160 yards. If not for a few fixable errors...but we didn't fix them and we lost. But Rams were very close. Rams get no respect, so they are going to have to take it.

 

[RAMBUSH]

IMO, a loss to the vikings makes a WC a long-shot and our best hopes of making playoffs becomes winning the division

Yea, I must agree ! So let's just win!!! Purple is cute on a flower , not a football team . Go Rams !!!!