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The more I look at their film the more...

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by Ramfreak, May 15, 2014.

  1. scifiman Lighten up, life is hard enough.

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    I have in the past debated the whole Bradford performance thing too. I am done doing that. I only want what is best for the rams. If he is the rams only and best option then I will hope for the best. I will root for him to succeed and for the team at the same time as with all the players. I think this year if he can put a full season in he may put up some good numbers and if the defense plays well then the rams as a team will do well. If he does not then I would expect the fans to be wanting to go in a new direction. That would be obvious. To me anyway. And then let the debate rage on again. That is why I am done with that debate. Nothing we can do or have a say on so is kind of pointless to argue about it.
     
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  2. crazyhorns Member

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    Here are my concerns about this whole debate. I believe it all comes down to expectations. Some people question Bradford for not being a raw raw leader. Even though, history suggest that just a raw raw style is not the only style of leadership that works at the QB position. The other expectation that concerns me the most is the one where people suggest that Bradford missed a receiver, or he should of step up, or he should have thrown the ball 3/4 of an inch to left and a 1/2 inch lower. Really guys, come on their is not a QB in this league that is perfect. Peyton, Brady, Dan, and many Hall of Famers have made many poor choices and bad throws. They have all taken sacks when they should not have. They have all made bad throws.

    My point is if you expect Bradford to be perfect then what is your solution? Cause anyone you bring in will not be perfect. If you want to question his flaws at least support your argument and quit making vague comments.
     
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  3. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Nah, it's not 100%. Peyton Manning throws plenty of short passes but doesn't have issues with batted passes.
     
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  4. max Well-Known Member

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    You must snot a lot.

    Because there are plenty of football writers that say the same thing.

    It is what it is, though. As I said, 6 months and the wait is over. Along with the snot.
     
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  5. flv 

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    Quick doesn't help Bradford but it's poor play by Bradford. He has both outside WRs on fly routes against a single high safety. He should throw the ball to whichever WR the S doesn't follow. Bradford looks right towards Quick which draws Whitner that way. Bradford is unlucky with the outcome but he contributed to that luck.
     
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  6. max Well-Known Member

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    Come on. That Brady miss was no where near as awful at the Bradford miss against SF. The Bradford miss was embarrassingly bad.
     
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  7. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    People see what they wanna see.
    Some look at Kaepernik and see a gifted young QB. I see a one-read and run athlete.

    I look at Bradford and see a QB we can win with.
     
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  8. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

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    Nah, I did that because a cool discussion was taking place and then you came in with that nugget of "Mlllahhhh, maybe he's not the guy!"

    I just thought it was funny is all. I don't care what plenty of football writers say. I write about football too, ya know. (y)
     
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  9. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

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    Sorry. I couldn't find a pass by any QB in the history of the league that was more horrendous than that incompletion for a sure TD that resulted in a field goal for us. I thought a bad decision (which was what I was responding to) that resulted in an interception for a defensive TD was close, but apparently I was mistaken. I'll try to be more diligent in the future.
     
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  10. max Well-Known Member

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    Well, from what I've seen there are plenty of knowledgeable guys who post on this board who say maybe he's the guy, and maybe he's not. I'm just another voice saying the same thing. But I like funny too.

    And aren't we all looking forward to this season more than any other in a very long time?
     
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  11. max Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure you could. Try looking at some of Kyle Boller's games.
     
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  12. Ramfreak New Member

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    I didn't read all the replies but I did see stat comparisons. If you're going to get into stats then take a look at when and how Bradford compiled his stats. Dump offs and late in games when we've only scored 3pts offensive points for 3 quarters and we're in catch up mode.
    Comparing stats vs Andrew Luck is a perfect example of how deceiving stats are when it comes to wins and losses. When Luck has 3rd and 13, he throws it 13+ and converts 3rd downs to extend drives. He looks down the field as the 1st option. Bradford is quick to check down or throw it without a chance for a completion. You'd have to be blind or have no memory of how futile he has been on 3rd downs and red zone conversions.
    He was on pace to have a real good year last season while still leading us to a losing record. Personally, I don't see how he improves after an ACL injury. I hope he does, but I think I've seen enough over 4 seasons.
    Look up what Kurt Warner has said about Sam Bradford. I suppose Warner doesn't know what he's seeing also.
     
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  13. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    Bradford is like sushi.
     
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  14. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

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    Here's a stat that you won't find unless you do the work yourself.

    Luck against the NFC West last year:
    82/141 (58% comp) 904 yards, 4 TDs, 4 Ints, 7 sacks, 2 fumbles (1 returned for a TD) for a 73.3 QB Rating overall.
    Third down conversions against the NFC West - 19-49 (38.7%)

    Maybe the teams you're playing against matter a little.

    Then there's this. QB Rating in the redzone last year:
    Rams - 9th in the league (92.5 QB Rating)
    Colts - 29th in the league (75.1 QB Rating)
     
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  15. bluesjoc Long time poster,First time reader

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    X i don't think Kurt Warner is going to be happy with those numbers. lol
     
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  16. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

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    I like and respect Kurt Warner a lot. He was gushing praise for Bradford before the 2011 season (said he would be a Superstar), and then he amended his evaluation recently to include his concerns about Bradford's skittishness in the pocket after that season, and the one after, concluded. He doesn't think Bradford isn't good. He just sees some things that need to be corrected (like taking more chances down field). I'd be willing to bet though, and I'm climbing out on a limb here, but if Bradford had Holt, Bruce, Hakim, Boldin OR Fitzgerald (not even a combination of two of them), he'd probably take more chances. lol.
     
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  17. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Really? Down by 7 with the end-zone in sight late in the 4th, Brady throws a horribly inaccurate pass that's picked off to lose the game and it's not as bad as Bradford's? Come on, Max. Especially if you consider this:
    Now, I won't absolve Bradford entirely even if Pettis was supposed to run the flag because had Bradford put more air under it, it would have been a TD. That all said, none of us know what was at fault on that play. And based on the play that was run later, it seemed to me that Pettis didn't make his cut when he was supposed to and wasn't where he was supposed to be.
     
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  18. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    He's raw, tasty and Japanese?
     
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  19. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

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    Some people like him, some people hate him? I happen to love Sushi. I wonder if there's any correlation. o_O
     
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  20. flv 

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    The Colts had 15 rushing TDs last year. Then again they did have the most expensive RB in NFL history in their backfield. lol.
     
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