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Raiders owner Mark Davis to meet with Las Vegas magnate
Paul GutierrezESPN Staff Writer

ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Las Vegas Sands chairman and CEO Sheldon Adelson wants to build a $1 billion domed stadium on the UNLV campus and is meeting with the owner of the Oakland Raiders, company officials confirmed Thursday.

The Sands Corp. announced that it was lending its support behind a public-private partnership to build a 65,000-seat, domed stadium on a vacant 42 acres of land recently purchased by UNLV near the corner of Tropicana Avenue and Koval Lane across from McCarran International Airport.

Adelson has scheduled a Friday meeting in Las Vegas with Raiders owner Mark Davis. Sands spokesman Ron Reese didn't elaborate on the nature of their discussions, and the Raiders declined to directly address the meeting.

"In typical Raider fashion," Davis said with a laugh over the phone from the Bay Area, "I can neither confirm nor deny."

UNLV president Len Jessup wrote in a confidential memo leaked earlier Thursday that representatives of the Raiders will be in Las Vegas on Friday to check out potential stadium sites.

"Correspondingly, the Sands leadership team let us know that officials from the Oakland Raiders are scheduled to travel to Las Vegas and tour locations around the valley for a potential new home, and they have asked us to meet them at our 42-acre site on Friday morning to answer questions about that site," Jessup wrote in the memo, which was reported earlier by Nevada political reporter Jon Ralston.

UNLV is looking for a new home for its football program, which has played at 35,500-seat Sam Boyd Stadium some nine miles from campus on the eastern edge of the city since 1971.

According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Los Angeles-based Majestic Realty Co. and UNLV are involved in the conceptual plans, and Las Vegas Sands senior vice president of government relations and community development Andy Abboud said the project would be a "public-private" partnership, with the Sands or the Adelson family contributing a large portion of the financing.

"He said the casino company, which operates the Venetian and Palazzo [casinos], as well as casinos in Macau, Singapore and Pennsylvania, could also raise financing for the project," the Review-Journal reported.

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Mark Davis was coy when questioned by ESPN about a reported meeting he will hold in Las Vegas on Friday. Rob Carr/Getty Images

Tony Sanchez, UNLV's football coach, said "having an on-campus, state-of-the-art stadium would be huge."

"We have a nice stadium now; the location is just a little further out," said Sanchez, who grew up a die-hard Raiders fan in the Bay Area. "To have something on campus, right in the heart of Las Vegas, would change the entire game-day atmosphere. We're right near the Strip. People can walk or take public transportation. It would be a great addition for the city."

Davis has long stated that remaining in Oakland is his primary goal, but after being rebuffed in an attempt to move to Los Angeles and join the Chargers in a joint-stadium project in nearby Carson, the Raiders do not have a lease for a home stadium for the 2016 season. They do have the option to join the Rams in Inglewood should the Chargers decline.

It is expected that the Raiders will play at least the 2016 season in Oakland. They also have been linked to San Diego, should the Chargers go to Los Angeles, for the following years as well as to San Antonio.

The NFL has had a hard line against Las Vegas, and it is hard to see the league signing off on allowing a team to relocate to the gambling capital of the country. The NFL did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

Las Vegas has chased a major league franchise for almost two decades, including MLB and NBA teams. The city appears close to getting an NHL team in under-construction T-Mobile Arena between the New York-New York and Monte Carlo casinos. The ambitious 20,000-seat T-Mobile Arena, set to open in April, was privately funded by casino company MGM, a Las Vegas Sands competitor.

And while Las Vegas might be a relatively small media market at No. 41 nationally, it is bigger than four other current NFL markets in Jacksonville (No. 48), New Orleans (No. 51), Buffalo (No. 52) and Green Bay (No. 68), per last year's Nielsen data.

Support from Adelson, who has consistently ranked as one of the world's richest people, could mean a better fate for the latest proposal.

"Projects like this need a lot of very, very strong leadership, a lot of conviction, a lot of focus and great resources,'' said Craig Cavileer of Majestic Realty, the project's development partner. "Certainly, Sheldon and his team have proved time and time again that they produce great projects."

Information from ESPN's Kyle Bonagura and The Associated Press was used in this report.
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NFL likely won’t let Raiders move to Las Vegas
Posted by Mike Florio on January 28, 2016

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As Oakland continues to show no willingness to subsidize a new Raiders in stadium, the Raiders keeping looking for ways to squeeze the the town’s acorns.

San Antonio didn’t make Oakland flinch. And no one currently is taking a move to San Diego seriously.

Enter Las Vegas.

Via Howard Stutz of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Raiders owner Mark Davis and Las Vegas Sands Chairman and CEO Sheldon Adelson are scheduled to meet on Friday, possibly to discuss stadium details.

The Sands is proposing a $1 billion stadium on 42 acres near UNLV, where the school’s team — and an NFL franchise — would play.

“We are moving forward with the stadium concept with or without an NFL team,” Sands’ senior vice president of government relations and community development Andy Abboud said Thursday. “We see a lot more opportunities — conference championships, bowl games, NFL exhibition football, boxing, soccer, neutral site games, and music festivals. There is an entire segment out there.”

It all sounds intriguing, intriguing enough to make “Las Vegas Raiders” into a Thursday night trending topic on Twitter. However, the NFL previously has made clear that it has no interest in moving a team to Las Vegas, due to the legality of sports gambling there. The league consistently has opposed the expansion of legalized gambling in states like New Jersey and Delaware, and the NFL said in 2013 that it’s unlikely that the league would stage the Pro Bowl or sanction any other game to be played in Las Vegas.

The NFL has yet to throw water on the idea of the Raiders moving to Las Vegas, possibly in an effort to get Oakland’s attention. But last year the NFL shut down an effort by Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo to host a fantasy-football convention at a non-gambling facility owned by, you guessed it, the Las Vegas Sands. It’s likely just a matter of time before the league makes it clear that the Raiders won’t be permitted to move to Las Vegas.

So the folks in Oakland, who have played this game of poker very well so far, aren’t about to freak out over the Raiders’ latest empty threat.
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NFL has no comment on the Raiders’ Las Vegas flirtations
Posted by Mike Florio on January 29, 2016

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Given the NFL’s attitude toward gambling, along with the league’s past statements regarding staging games in Las Vegas, the knee-jerk reaction to the prospect of the Las Vegas Raiders is that it will never happen. Curiously, the league isn’t willing to say that, yet.

“We do not have a comment,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told PFT via email. In 2013, McCarthy had a comment; he told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that legalized gambling in Las Vegas would likely keep the NFL from putting the Pro Bowl or preseason games there.

As many have pointed out, the league hardly has had consistent positions when it comes to gambling. The NFL gradually has expanded its presence in London, where betting parlors are as commonplace as sandwich shops, taking a “when in Rome” approach to the cultural acceptance of wagering there. Likewise, the league has embraced daily fantasy football for money, which the federal government says isn’t gambling — but which a growing number of states says is.

Ultimately, it doesn’t have to make sense or be consistent. It just has to get 24 of 32 votes from the league’s owner. The location of any team reflects a collective decision of NFL ownership, and there’s no rule or policy that automatically makes Las Vegas or any other location off limits. Plenty of factors go into the decision regarding whether and where a franchise moves.

One of the factors that likely has gone into the league’s position on the Raiders’ nascent flirtations with Las Vegas is this: The Raiders need a way to squeeze Oakland into helping build a stadium. Slamming the door preemptively on Vegas will make it harder to get money for nothing from the folks who currently are willing to do nothing to keep the Raiders.

So even if the NFL would never approve a move of the Raiders to Las Vegas, there’s no harm in withholding final judgment to see whether Oakland will continue withholding taxpayer money as more and more potential destinations for the franchise emerge.
 

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Sorry, I am on the run and have to check in later so I did not read this yet. I was wondering though.....Does Las Vegas really have the resident population to support a team? And is having an NFL team in the gambling capitol of the world really a good idea?
 

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The stadium efforts for UNLV have been bubbling for a while. I think it is going to get done because of the college team and the conventions which bring an enormous amount of people on the tourism side of things.

If they can get Davis to bring the Raiders it would be brilliant. They are one of the league's most popular brands and have an enormous fan base in socal to draw from.
 

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I don't really understand the idea of professional sports in Vegas... It's a great destination city, but people are going there for gambling, not to watch sports teams, unless there's another reason behind it... For example the LA Kings do a preseason game there every year, and it's a big draw for Kings fans to go down to Vegas for the weekend, get trashed and party, then go to a preseason game. The NHL is now flirting with expanding into Vegas, but I'm just not convinced it'll work.
 

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Not real sure Florio really knows what he's talking about. There was a time when the NBA's stance was "No, No and Hell No" re Vegas. Not the case anymore.
Don't think gambling's the issue with the NFL that it once was, or will be in three years. Florio was right in saying it's up to 3/4 ths of the owners.
As far as the fit - it's pretty good. Raider fans in L.A., plus the 200,00 - 300,00 thousand people that come every weekend.
And the stadium, which will be built in any case, wouldn't be dependent on an NFL team. Personally think it's a great fit.
 

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I was wondering though.....Does Las Vegas really have the resident population to support a team?

Currently around 600,000 in the city itself and a few million within traveling distances, not to mention the weekly tourists. Of course, @VegasRam and other members more familiar with that area know the population figures better than me.
 

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Davis is just fishing for public money. There's no push to get any tax dollars in Oakland and he doesn't have enough money to do it himself. He'd have to sell a portion of his ownership stake to get anything built. And that will probably hold true to any market he goes to.

Best thing for him is to bite the bullet and sell a portion to fund a stadium in Oakland. He's got an up and coming team, and with a new stadium he'd be able to increase his value more there.


I'd love to have that team in STL, I just don't want the Raider name. Mack, Carr, and Cooper are going to be multi year all pros. You've also got Murray whos a fun RB to watch.
 

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I don't really understand the idea of professional sports in Vegas... It's a great destination city, but people are going there for gambling, not to watch sports teams, unless there's another reason behind it... For example the LA Kings do a preseason game there every year, and it's a big draw for Kings fans to go down to Vegas for the weekend, get trashed and party, then go to a preseason game. The NHL is now flirting with expanding into Vegas, but I'm just not convinced it'll work.

I get the perception the rest of the country has about Vegas, but it's simply not the case. You simply don't drink and gamble 24 hours a day when coming here. The population has grown from 500,000 to 2,000,000 in the 25 years since I moved here. The locals supported the XFL and the UFL in a shit stadium 10 miles out of town. (UNLV football's another story:cautious:, but it's getting better). There's a lot to do here, especially during football season when it's not so flippin' hot. Personally think it's a great fit. As far as the Raiders - don't love 'em and don't hate 'em, but if I had to pick an AFC team to root for, it'd be them. Hope it happens.
 

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I would like to see the Raider's stay in Oakland. I think it's were they belong! But Californian's don't want to give-up public money to rich Fat-Cats to Build them a new stadium, to make them richer!!
IF Football is a business, as they like to say. Let them Pay to build their own business!! Like Kroenke did!!
 

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I'm not sure where Vegas and Gambling fits with the NFL. Would be very interesting to find out. The Raiders moving and sharing a stadium with UNLV appears like a great idea. The area has a nice population. Lots of money coming in. IIRC the area took a big hit during the recession and still has some high unemployment. Not sure if the average Joe can afford the game day experience but it is getting out of hand everywhere. I'll stay turned.

https://www.google.com/search?clien...o+population&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Las Vegas/Metro population

1,951,269

It's around the 30th in the country in number of people.
 

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I would like to see the Raider's stay in Oakland.!!

I have trouble of letting go of tradition. They were the Oakland Raiders for so long. I hated when they moved to L.A. for a bit. Then a lot of BS fans said that is where the Raiders belonged. Then they moved back. I like the teams in the towns that I knew them in when growing up with the NFL. I guess I just don't like change.

I would think they would have to change the name to something else, like the gamblers or whatever.
 

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I get the perception the rest of the country has about Vegas, but it's simply not the case. You simply don't drink and gamble 24 hours a day when coming here. The population has grown from 500,000 to 2,000,000 in the 25 years since I moved here. The locals supported the XFL and the UFL in a crap stadium 10 miles out of town. (UNLV football's another story:cautious:, but it's getting better). There's a lot to do here, especially during football season when it's not so flippin' hot. Personally think it's a great fit. As far as the Raiders - don't love 'em and don't hate 'em, but if I had to pick an AFC team to root for, it'd be them. Hope it happens.

Yeah people underestimate the Vegas market. Not only will the market support the team, but there are a ton of socal folks who come here often, too, since it's a short drive up the 15. Before I bought a house here I'd come out once or twice a month, and finally said screw it why not just live here. When you extrapolate that over the massive amount of people in the LA area not to mention the number of Raiders fans in LA, it's clear that the Raiders are gonna draw if they come here.

Oh and back to UNLV, since Tony came onboard the agenda has been facilities, facilities, facilities. It's gonna happen, I do think the stadium is going to be built regardless of the Raiders making the move.

Laslty, that old stigma against Vegas hosting a team due to the gambling being a distraction or that it would influence games is a thing of the past. Every state nowadays has gambling, it's an asinine stance to disregard the city for that reason. If Davis brings the Raiders here it's gonna work out great for him IMO.
 

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It sounds pretty cool, and would be great for Vegas, but why would the Raiders move from the 6th largest TV market to the 42nd?
 

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It sounds pretty cool, and would be great for Vegas, but why would the Raiders move from the 6th largest TV market to the 42nd?

Have no idea - as I don't really understand how that works. Don't know how much of Davis' income is directly related to his local tv market/area. I thought the NFL owners shared tv revenues equally.
 

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Yeah people underestimate the Vegas market. Not only will the market support the team, but there are a ton of socal folks who come here often, too, since it's a short drive up the 15. Before I bought a house here I'd come out once or twice a month, and finally said screw it why not just live here. When you extrapolate that over the massive amount of people in the LA area not to mention the number of Raiders fans in LA, it's clear that the Raiders are gonna draw if they come here.

Oh and back to UNLV, since Tony came onboard the agenda has been facilities, facilities, facilities. It's gonna happen, I do think the stadium is going to be built regardless of the Raiders making the move.

Laslty, that old stigma against Vegas hosting a team due to the gambling being a distraction or that it would influence games is a thing of the past. Every state nowadays has gambling, it's an asinine stance to disregard the city for that reason. If Davis brings the Raiders here it's gonna work out great for him IMO.

The hypocrisy in the the NFL's stance on Vegas is mind-boggling, even before Fan Duel and Draft Kings. I'ts integral to their success. Soon as they get their cut, that'll change.
And yeah, the stadium's getting built regardless - Feritita's probably gonna be involved as well. Exciting times.

(And I found out there's another Rams' fans in Vegas - what part of town?)
 

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I don't really understand the idea of professional sports in Vegas... It's a great destination city, but people are going there for gambling, not to watch sports teams, unless there's another reason behind it... For example the LA Kings do a preseason game there every year, and it's a big draw for Kings fans to go down to Vegas for the weekend, get trashed and party, then go to a preseason game. The NHL is now flirting with expanding into Vegas, but I'm just not convinced it'll work.
People go there to gamble and party yes, but people also go there and drop a couple hundred on garbage stage shows. The Blue Man Crew, Celine Dion etc etc etc, there is tons of money spent on these kinds of shows every day.

Metro population is just under 2 million. Last year they had over 41 million people visit town. There are plenty of people in Vegas to support a team. Add to that it's an easy drive for those So Cal Raider fans to head to Vegas for a day for the game. When we went to Phoenix this year for the Rams game there were a couple thousand people driving there from LA. Half the trip to get to Vegas it's very very doable.
 

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Sorry, I am on the run and have to check in later so I did not read this yet. I was wondering though.....Does Las Vegas really have the resident population to support a team? And is having an NFL team in the gambling capitol of the world really a good idea?
Well over 2 million in Clark county and growing fast. The problem would be is many residents are house poor as Vegas has the highest under water rate in the nation at 26.7%. Not sure the city can afford to help fund a team when they can't pay for their homes and the county can't fund their schools.
 

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What an away day that would be. All the vices and the Rams smash over the Raiders as well, what's not to like? I'm IN!
 
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With the influx of the Indian casino trade, I don't see the gambling issue being such a big deal any more. Hell - there will be a new Hollywood Park Casino as part of the Inglewood project. Personally, I think it makes too much sense for there not to be a team in Vegas. The casinos would likely pony up any monies needed. They'd be crazy not to. And naming rights? They'd probably be fighting over them. Just more draw for that town. You get 60,000 more people in to watch a game and what do you think they are going to do with the rest of their time - be it a weekend or a week long vacation? That would be a cash cow.
 

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Well over 2 million in Clark county and growing fast. The problem would be is many residents are house poor as Vegas has the highest under water rate in the nation at 26.7%. Not sure the city can afford to help fund a team when they can't pay for their homes and the county can't fund their schools.
I don't think the city would end up chipping in a dime. I'm guessing the casinos would be lining up with suitcases of cash. This would likely make them hundreds of millions of dollars each year.