So I got called out on National Radio...

[Ramatik]

Opinions can be right or wrong, just like the national media and so called "experts". There will be a lot of analysts/experts whos opinion will be wrong, just like every season. Wont go into the doctor debate thing cause they know a crap ton more than me and I wouldnt trust my opinion vs.theirs when it comes to my body and health.

I think that's exactly what I meant.

Mostly

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Because these guys go out and physically watch and talk with the players, former coaches, and some cases their families. They do this 24/7. Then you have some guy on the internet that parrots what Mike Mayok says or links you to a 10 minute YouTube highlight video. It's a guessing game for sure, but the guesses are better when made by the people who do this are getting paid by billionaires.

No, I get that most have a big advantage by seeing players in person or such. That is not what I mean. What I don't as getting at is somebody can be a scout or GM and seems to garner instant respect. They don't all deserve it. Was Matt Millen a good GM? Just because they are in the Biggs doesn't mean they are all good.

And yes some fans only rely on guys like Mayock but others actually go out of their way to watch game clips or games in general and rely on what they see to make an evaluation. The best opinions are often from fans of a team on their own prospects because they saw the players the most....If they are not being homers that is.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Opinions can be right or wrong, just like the national media and so called "experts". There will be a lot of analysts/experts whos opinion will be wrong, just like every season. Wont go into the doctor debate thing cause they know a crap ton more than me and I wouldnt trust my opinion vs.theirs when it comes to my body and health.

I have been under the care of many doctors over the years. After you have a certain number you can compare and contrast. My biggest hang up is with general practice. Most specialists know their shit. But, even then you can get one of them that makes you wonder. When you have a medical issue that is very unusual, you find out who really knows their job.

My wife is an RN too. She says the same things. Some of the doctors just aren't good at what they do. They are just people and they don't all pass through med school with flying colors.

 

[jrry32]

Lot of BS info on twitter, a few nuggets tho. Albright shoots strait, good or bad. Hope new gig doesn't compromise him. Draft day can't get here soon enough. ( Goff love making me sick)

Allbright used to post on a draft forum that I was a member of. I have respect for the guy's knowledge but he's got a huge ego. He's not special, though. The most knowledgeable draft posters on this forum are just as knowledgeable as he is. But he does have sources with some teams.

 

[Ram Pat]

I think your last sentence says it all.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

@Elmgrovegnome....
So it goes.
A comedian like John Stewart has a team of writers that come up with his stuff....he probably contributes, but, is he some comedic genius....naw.
Most arrogance is based in insecurity, so, a radio guy who's job it is to give his opinion on a topic he may or may not know much about....well, this is why many don't take calls or only take calls from people who agree with them. If they get someone who disagrees and is making a valid point they usually get rid of them as quickly as possible.
They usually have a staff that will do research for them as well.
I like good radio, but, it is hard to find.

Never looked at it that way. Makes sense that they shoot you down when you make them look bad though. Good point! For the most part, being able to speak well is a valuable talent that can be used in many ways, even if a guy doesn't exactly know what he is speaking about. There is this shyster that came to our small town from Philly. I got to know him and saw through the BS quick but he was in the paper, on all of the councils, into politics. Everyone loved him and thought every word was gold. It took the town a good 8-10 years to finally catch up to him. I always wondered if I was given a gift to see through BS or did people just lack common sense?

Lot of BS info on twitter, a few nuggets tho. Albright shoots strait, good or bad. Hope new gig doesn't compromise him. Draft day can't get here soon enough. ( Goff love making me sick)

What do you mean Goff Love making you sick? Please explain.

Interesting take. However, I will listen and evaluate a doctors opinion. Somebody on a board spouting off about how much they know... no. Not as an expert. There are many bad doctors. There are no experts on a board. Just opinions.which can be fun

I disagree. If someone spends enough time on something then they are a bit of an expert on the subject. Lance Zierlien wasn't even an NFL scout and he is doing scouting reports for NFL.com and appears on their show. How do these scouts get their jobs? They know someone mostly. They are taught what to look for and they hit the road with a list of assignments. It isn't that big of a deal. If you get a blog or a radio show and sound like you know what you are talking about you could possibly get noticed and get a shot. I know a guy trying to do that very thing because he knows someone else that it worked for.

There is a local guy. I have known him for years. He is considered an expert on PSU football. He even got radio show on the subject after he had an independent pod cast for a year. People see him everywhere and look to him for inside knowledge and such. He doesn't really have any. He just surfs boards and pay sites and gets what he can and then talks the talk. I know most of his stuff is just BS opinion that I don't agree with. But to many............he is an expert.

So, what is an expert? Are scouts really experts? If they were they would never to rarely be wrong about an eval. GMs? Are they experts? They are wrong a lot. A lot of them get hired only to be fired because they didn't get the job done. So, then you have a group of more hardcore fans that look at games, and they get as many picks right as the 'experts'. What is the difference? Who they know. That is all it is. You don't have to be some football genius to become a scout. You just have to have an in, make an in, or find an in like Devanney did by pestering Beathard.

Very true. They arent right 100%, but this is there job, and they have them for a reason.

Read above. They don't have the jobs because they are great or even good at what they do......sure some of them become very good and move up the ladder but many are just people and like any other job there are some doing their job well, some just towing the line and others that stink, but know how not to get fired. Every job is the same because people are all the same no matter where you go.

Now they have scout school where you can go and learn how to do it and apply for a job. But how do the NFL personnel know if you are good or not? You don't get a 4 year degree in NFL scouting and come out with a 4.0.

Scouting seems to have gotten this elite status that I don't really think it deserves because these guys in the end are just adding things up and giving their OPINIONs on players. We don't even know how many of them are preferred by their Scouting directors and GMs. Which ones do all of the talking to the media? Are they the good ones? Or are they the guys that do the minimum, listen to other scouts, and then like to feel important by being sources for Charles Davis. Why did Mayock decide not to rely on sources and go back on the road this year to do his own evaluations if these scouts are such great professionals? They are just people giving their opinions and they have more information on personal details, which if they are bad it usually surfaces in the press. Otherwise they are evaluating how the players play by watching games. Something anyone can do that has a computer and a TV.

 

[Jorgeh0605]

Im onboard with all of you and about Snisher knowing who to pick. Question than turns to, why are they waiting? What advantage does waiting until draft day have?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Im onboard with all of you and about Snisher knowing who to pick. Question than turns to, why are they waiting? What advantage does waiting until draft day have?

Snead said they are 95% sure of who they will pick. So yeah, they know. They could even feel that it doesn't matter which one it is because they like both. I like both.

So why wait? Maybe the NFL wants them to wait to build suspense up to the draft. It would get more viewers. Maybe they figure there is a slim chance that they can make a trade with the Browns. Say they want Wentz and the Browns want Goff. The Browns would have zero reasons to trade up with the Rams to pick Goff. But what if there was a chance the Rams wanted Goff too? Then the Browns may be inclined to trade up to get their guy. If the Rams really wanted Wentz they don't let anyone know and make a trade with the Browns?

Another reason is what if they find out something that changes their mind on one of them in the next two weeks. It is highly unlikely but if it happened it would be awkward with the press,fans, and even the propects. No need to announce the pick until they are on the clock.

 

[Jorgeh0605]

Snead said they are 95% sure of who they will pick. So yeah, they know.

Snead had also said Case Keenum would be our QB and that we weren't trading Sam Bradford.

I think holding out for viewership is a decent theory, possibility of trading with the browns is ridiculous, that org would have to be run by nitwits to agree to the trade. So that has merit as well .

Thanks

 

[NJRamsFan]

We are all divided on who we think will be the Rams pick but to think the rams traded up without a target is beyond stupid imo. They obviously fell in love with 1 of the 2 qbs.

DO people honestly think they said lets trade all these draft picks and well figure out who we want later?

 

[Angry Ram]

No, I get that most have a big advantage by seeing players in person or such. That is not what I mean. What I don't as getting at is somebody can be a scout or GM and seems to garner instant respect. They don't all deserve it. Was Matt Millen a good GM? Just because they are in the Biggs doesn't mean they are all good.

And yes some fans only rely on guys like Mayock but others actually go out of their way to watch game clips or games in general and rely on what they see to make an evaluation. The best opinions are often from fans of a team on their own prospects because they saw the players the most....If they are not being homers that is.

Of course not, when you use Matt Millen (or Jay Zygmunt) those are different cases where the whole FO is just idiotic. But most teams don't have have that anymore. Maybe SF and Cleveland, but overall not much.

Also game clips or games on tv, I mean it's real easy to sit back, watch, and type on the internet what you see. A team's scouting department knows more, sees more, and more importantly knows what type of players can fit what they are wanting to do. I.E., trading up for Tavon vs. taking DeAndre Hopkins. They aren't gonna take a college guy because he has a good highlight video or that Mike Mayock says has "good hip movement" or whatever other cliche he wants to use.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Of course not, when you use Matt Millen (or Jay Zygmunt) those are different cases where the whole FO is just idiotic. But most teams don't have have that anymore. Maybe SF and Cleveland, but overall not much.

Also game clips or games on tv, I mean it's real easy to sit back, watch, and type on the internet what you see. A team's scouting department knows more, sees more, and more importantly knows what type of players can fit what they are wanting to do. I.E., trading up for Tavon vs. taking DeAndre Hopkins. They aren't gonna take a college guy because he has a good highlight video or that Mike Mayock says has "good hip movement" or whatever other cliche he wants to use.

I will just say we need to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Ram Pat]

Never looked at it that way. Makes sense that they shoot you down when you make them look bad though. Good point! For the most part, being able to speak well is a valuable talent that can be used in many ways, even if a guy doesn't exactly know what he is speaking about. There is this shyster that came to our small town from Philly. I got to know him and saw through the BS quick but he was in the paper, on all of the councils, into politics. Everyone loved him and thought every word was gold. It took the town a good 8-10 years to finally catch up to him. I always wondered if I was given a gift to see through BS or did people just lack common sense?




What do you mean Goff Love making you sick? Please explain.

The media mocks are just too much, but mostly; Goff being more "Pro Ready"(Bear Raid shotgun). I am not saying he is going to be bad, but if you are going to move up that far take the player that has the chance to really drive the ball.



I disagree. If someone spends enough time on something then they are a bit of an expert on the subject. Lance Zierlien wasn't even an NFL scout and he is doing scouting reports for NFL.com and appears on their show. How do these scouts get their jobs? They know someone mostly. They are taught what to look for and they hit the road with a list of assignments. It isn't that big of a deal. If you get a blog or a radio show and sound like you know what you are talking about you could possibly get noticed and get a shot. I know a guy trying to do that very thing because he knows someone else that it worked for.

There is a local guy. I have known him for years. He is considered an expert on PSU football. He even got radio show on the subject after he had an independent pod cast for a year. People see him everywhere and look to him for inside knowledge and such. He doesn't really have any. He just surfs boards and pay sites and gets what he can and then talks the talk. I know most of his stuff is just BS opinion that I don't agree with. But to many............he is an expert.

So, what is an expert? Are scouts really experts? If they were they would never to rarely be wrong about an eval. GMs? Are they experts? They are wrong a lot. A lot of them get hired only to be fired because they didn't get the job done. So, then you have a group of more hardcore fans that look at games, and they get as many picks right as the 'experts'. What is the difference? Who they know. That is all it is. You don't have to be some football genius to become a scout. You just have to have an in, make an in, or find an in like Devanney did by pestering Beathard.




Read above. They don't have the jobs because they are great or even good at what they do......sure some of them become very good and move up the ladder but many are just people and like any other job there are some doing their job well, some just towing the line and others that stink, but know how not to get fired. Every job is the same because people are all the same no matter where you go.

Now they have scout school where you can go and learn how to do it and apply for a job. But how do the NFL personnel know if you are good or not? You don't get a 4 year degree in NFL scouting and come out with a 4.0.

Scouting seems to have gotten this elite status that I don't really think it deserves because these guys in the end are just adding things up and giving their OPINIONs on players. We don't even know how many of them are preferred by their Scouting directors and GMs. Which ones do all of the talking to the media? Are they the good ones? Or are they the guys that do the minimum, listen to other scouts, and then like to feel important by being sources for Charles Davis. Why did Mayock decide not to rely on sources and go back on the road this year to do his own evaluations if these scouts are such great professionals? They are just people giving their opinions and they have more information on personal details, which if they are bad it usually surfaces in the press. Otherwise they are evaluating how the players play by watching games. Something anyone can do that has a computer and a TV.

 

[Ram Pat]

Never looked at it that way. Makes sense that they shoot you down when you make them look bad though. Good point! For the most part, being able to speak well is a valuable talent that can be used in many ways, even if a guy doesn't exactly know what he is speaking about. There is this shyster that came to our small town from Philly. I got to know him and saw through the BS quick but he was in the paper, on all of the councils, into politics. Everyone loved him and thought every word was gold. It took the town a good 8-10 years to finally catch up to him. I always wondered if I was given a gift to see through BS or did people just lack common sense?




What do you mean Goff Love making you sick? Please explain.





I disagree. If someone spends enough time on something then they are a bit of an expert on the subject. Lance Zierlien wasn't even an NFL scout and he is doing scouting reports for NFL.com and appears on their show. How do these scouts get their jobs? They know someone mostly. They are taught what to look for and they hit the road with a list of assignments. It isn't that big of a deal. If you get a blog or a radio show and sound like you know what you are talking about you could possibly get noticed and get a shot. I know a guy trying to do that very thing because he knows someone else that it worked for.

There is a local guy. I have known him for years. He is considered an expert on PSU football. He even got radio show on the subject after he had an independent pod cast for a year. People see him everywhere and look to him for inside knowledge and such. He doesn't really have any. He just surfs boards and pay sites and gets what he can and then talks the talk. I know most of his stuff is just BS opinion that I don't agree with. But to many............he is an expert.

So, what is an expert? Are scouts really experts? If they were they would never to rarely be wrong about an eval. GMs? Are they experts? They are wrong a lot. A lot of them get hired only to be fired because they didn't get the job done. So, then you have a group of more hardcore fans that look at games, and they get as many picks right as the 'experts'. What is the difference? Who they know. That is all it is. You don't have to be some football genius to become a scout. You just have to have an in, make an in, or find an in like Devanney did by pestering Beathard.




Read above. They don't have the jobs because they are great or even good at what they do......sure some of them become very good and move up the ladder but many are just people and like any other job there are some doing their job well, some just towing the line and others that stink, but know how not to get fired. Every job is the same because people are all the same no matter where you go.

Now they have scout school where you can go and learn how to do it and apply for a job. But how do the NFL personnel know if you are good or not? You don't get a 4 year degree in NFL scouting and come out with a 4.0.

Scouting seems to have gotten this elite status that I don't really think it deserves because these guys in the end are just adding things up and giving their OPINIONs on players. We don't even know how many of them are preferred by their Scouting directors and GMs. Which ones do all of the talking to the media? Are they the good ones? Or are they the guys that do the minimum, listen to other scouts, and then like to feel important by being sources for Charles Davis. Why did Mayock decide not to rely on sources and go back on the road this year to do his own evaluations if these scouts are such great professionals? They are just people giving their opinions and they have more information on personal details, which if they are bad it usually surfaces in the press. Otherwise they are evaluating how the players play by watching games. Something anyone can do that has a computer and a TV.

Just think being more "pro ready" means a pro style offense. I been vested in Rams getting Wentz for over a year. He is the chance for a real franchise type

 

[BlackSheep]

I have switched exclusively to Sirius/XM NFL radio in my car and on my phone. Moving the chains with Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan is specially good (noon - 4:00 pacific).

 

[Mackeyser]

Im onboard with all of you and about Snisher knowing who to pick. Question than turns to, why are they waiting? What advantage does waiting until draft day have?

Networks: They are doing every media outlet a HUGE solid by creating the suspense. Heck, I know I'm in knots and bunches of us are because of it as are fans across the world. And that means they are gobbling up content by the bushel which means ads, clicks and AD REVENUE. That means the networks will think twice about how it treats the Rams going forward. This isn't Georgia Frontiere's Rams anymore.

League: Even as GMs are cursing Snisher for making their jobs harder, the owners are LOVING how much attention is building for the draft and their flagship telecast. What was shaping up to be a down year will now be their biggest event ever, most likely. Amazing for two QBs who were thought to be afterthoughts, right?

Team: By waiting, the Los Angeles Rams are in the media, both Sporting and non-sporting media every day until the draft and likely for some time after. That's hundreds of millions of dollars of free global media that the team couldn't apply to it's Brand if they just announced who they were taking.

There is literally NO upside to announcing who they are taking prior to the draft while there are quite literally hundreds of millions of reasons why they should wait.

It won't surprise me to see the refereeing change for the Rams this year. Watch.

This is big picture stuff.

 

[JonRam99]

I hate how the media harasses Fisher & Snead. Them waiting to turn in their pick after they traded up to #1 is their latest excuse. They talk about Fisher like he's the losing-est coach ever & doesn't deserve to be paid & doesn't deserve respect or even to be on the competition committee (which Stephen A. said the other day). They have no idea who the Rams are, what Fisher had to work with when he started here, or how truly competitive they've become IN THE NFC WEST for the last 4 years.
I know he has yet to have a winning season, but, compared to the absolute dread I felt on Sundays under Lineham and Spags, waiting and whimpering for the Rams to even sniff the redzone once a game or so, Fisher has done an incredible job with the Rams. If these empty talking heads had a clue, they'd know that Fisher has had to play SCRUB QB's for the last 2 1/2 seasons while Bradford recovered. Have they thrown Garrett under the bus for Romo's physical decline?? Is Garrett now not worth the money he's paid??
Throw in some limping LT's and an ageing Jackson, Fisher has had a lot of challenges. The Rams have now improved to the point that they can now afford to let go of the most talented players the Rams had when he arrived, Long & Lauranitis.
These talking heads have no idea who the Rams are. They only parrot what all the other talking heads say, only because it's a hot-button point & easy click-bait. If they had anything intelligent to say about the Rams, why don't they say it?
If they knew anything about them, they'd know this: the Rams play the 49'ers twice a year. The Rams & 49'ers have been in a bitter war since time immemorial. Including when the 49'ers used to have this guy named Joe Montanna, who wore #16 on his back. As another poster on here mentioned, so does Goff. Goff is a rabid 49'ers fan, has been since he was a kid.
Snead says he's 95% sure about their pick.... could the 5% doubt be possibly based on whether or not Goff can prosecute a war with prejudice against his team of teams? CAN Goff join the "dark side" & become a Rams QUARTERBACK--you know, the guy who's supposed to LEAD the team to VICTORY over the 49'ERS twice a year??? Goff has to destroy them. Is he the guy to do it??
If I were Fisher, and were a "player's coach", I'd care about my team's mental state, & not treat them like a fantasy football team. Maybe that's why he's earned so much respect in this league. Maybe the talking heads should get a clue & stop ragging on a guy who's done nothing but take the Rams & make them a pretty good team.