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Big Unit

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So...now what?

I've been a PSL owner and season ticket holder since the Rams came to St. Louis. Started with two other partners, sharing 8 tickets; eventually down to 4 seats, shared with one other partner. Now that partner has opted out. We now have good seats in the Dome; not sure whether to re-up for season tickets for next year.

Two months ago, I was sure; I was done. The NFL had a tough public relations year; Stan Kroenke clearly was hoping to move the Rams to LA; the Dome (I represented the contractor that built the Dome in the 1990s, so was invested) was being dissed regularly; attendance was slowly diminishing, as the Rams continued their decade-plus of futility; the people I used to tailgate with now had other interests; the big lot where we used to tailgate was now a casino; and the team continued as a roster-without-a-quarterback, as Sam Bradford was once again injured. I legitimately felt that 2014 was the Rams' make-it-or-break-it year for me; and I thought "break-it" was the result as soon as Bradford (again) tore his ACL in preseason. I was too smart to be duped again, particularly if I had to go it alone on the season ticket route.

It seemed to me that the Rams were faced with two Rubik's cube problems; one, how to fix the stadium issue and retain the NFL in St. Louis; and two, a roster without a durable quarterback, and with no options I could see; a brittle QB with the last-big-contract-before-the-rookie-cap collar on him.

Then, the worm started to turn; first at the 30,000 feet level; now with the team itself. The turn started with Gov. Nixon, of all people, announcing that he had no intention of letting St. Louis lose its status as an NFL city; then with Dave Peacock being named to head the development team; now with actual stadium proposals (which I love), plus real competition for Kroenke's Inglewood plans in the form of the Chargers and Raiders. Hmmmm...pretty interesting. Thinking dispassionately, I decided my bottom line was that St. Louis remain an NFL city, even if the Rams left for LA. I'd still care about the Rams, but from a distance, and not as I did in the GSOT days.

Now the Rams football leadership has begun work on the roster problem, as well. No cap room? Cut Wells, and Jake Long; and trade your $13Million QB for one who makes $1.5Million, and voila! Suddenly $28Million to play with under the salary cap. Then add Ayers, and Fairley. Suddenly, the Rams have a defensive line made up of five first-round picks, and speedy outside linebackers - the kind you need to cover tight ends, even the new one of the Seahawks. Still need to work on the offensive line, but...now there's cap room; and the Rams pick #10; likelihood is that the Rams should be able to get an O-lineman; or Amari Cooper; OR maybe trade up for Marcus Mariota. Hmmmm again...now getting really interesting.

Now I have a month to decide whether to renew my season tickets. For a lame duck year? No way! But...this team looks like it might be kinda fun. And...is there any way the Rams - or whoever might occupy a new stadium - would give special consideration to an original, PSL-buying, 20+ year season ticket holder in the new stadium? Now, THAT would burn; if I gave up my season tickets for this year, and in so doing gave up my place in line at a new stadium. But it also would burn if I renewed my tickets; the new stadium never got built; and the Rams didn't even stay.

A conundrum. Thank God the snow is gone; if this rain ever stops, at least I can play golf while I mull over my options. Cost is about $3500 per year for four seats; not bad if they're competitive; a waste if they're not. Looking for some guidance; if you were in my position, what would you do?
 

-X-

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Tough call.

I would, but that's just me.
You can also write to Kevin Demoff and plead your case just like you did here. See what he says.
 

Mackeyser

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It's the Rams, man. Some of us wait years to catch one game.

No one knows about next year...

Heck, tomorrow's promised to no one.

If you can go... Go.
 

Goose

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I plan on going to as many games as possible. If this is the last season I want to enjoy every minute of it. If my support can help keep the Rams here I am going to show it.
 

DeaconJ

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I've NEVER caught a game in the last 45 years, but I'm still a fan. Good on you that you've got season tics and are close enough to enjoy them.
 

NJRamsFan

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Id kill to be able to consistently watch live rams football...if you're in a position where you're local and can afford them....get your ass to the stadium
 

Dieter the Brock

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If you can afford the tickets comfortably then go
If you get those tickets we are going to the Super Bowl, if you don't then we won't.
Everything depends on you. Don't let me down!
 

Dodgersrf

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Yes. Without question.

When the Rams left LA I was not a happy fan. Once they were gone and football started, I was just as big a fan as when they were here.
I'm not saying they're going or staying. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter how upset with the team you currently are, you're probably still going to be a fan.
Go to the games.
 

Big Unit

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If you can afford the tickets comfortably then go
If you get those tickets we are going to the Super Bowl, if you don't then we won't.
Everything depends on you. Don't let me down!
I wish! My issue aside, it's pretty remarkable how the problems of two months ago are being dealt with. It may well turn to nothing, but I'm impressed.
 

V3

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I don't really want to tell you how to spend your money but there's a strong argument to be made that the more people that show up this last year, the harder it will be for the NFL to allow the Rams to leave.
 

Leuzer

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Tough call.
If they move to LA (and this is purely hypothetical, I honestly take no side in this debate) would you ever attend a Rams game in the foreseeable future?

If no (because of distance, money, job, etc.) I would attend just because it could potentially be the last time I would ever see a Rams game in person. I wouldn't care what the production is on the field.
If yes then it really wouldn't matter whether what you choose.
 

Dodgersrf

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I wish! My issue aside, it's pretty remarkable how the problems of two months ago are being dealt with. It may well turn to nothing, but I'm impressed.
Dieter is pretty insightful in these types of issues. You should listen to him
 

mr.stlouis

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I'm not sure I can even afford the tickets.... but I'm buying them regardless. I love this team more than electricity (OK, I'm being a touch dramatic... just a little. But really...)
 

Angry Ram

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So...now what?

I've been a PSL owner and season ticket holder since the Rams came to St. Louis. Started with two other partners, sharing 8 tickets; eventually down to 4 seats, shared with one other partner. Now that partner has opted out. We now have good seats in the Dome; not sure whether to re-up for season tickets for next year.

Two months ago, I was sure; I was done. The NFL had a tough public relations year; Stan Kroenke clearly was hoping to move the Rams to LA; the Dome (I represented the contractor that built the Dome in the 1990s, so was invested) was being dissed regularly; attendance was slowly diminishing, as the Rams continued their decade-plus of futility; the people I used to tailgate with now had other interests; the big lot where we used to tailgate was now a casino; and the team continued as a roster-without-a-quarterback, as Sam Bradford was once again injured. I legitimately felt that 2014 was the Rams' make-it-or-break-it year for me; and I thought "break-it" was the result as soon as Bradford (again) tore his ACL in preseason. I was too smart to be duped again, particularly if I had to go it alone on the season ticket route.

It seemed to me that the Rams were faced with two Rubik's cube problems; one, how to fix the stadium issue and retain the NFL in St. Louis; and two, a roster without a durable quarterback, and with no options I could see; a brittle QB with the last-big-contract-before-the-rookie-cap collar on him.

Then, the worm started to turn; first at the 30,000 feet level; now with the team itself. The turn started with Gov. Nixon, of all people, announcing that he had no intention of letting St. Louis lose its status as an NFL city; then with Dave Peacock being named to head the development team; now with actual stadium proposals (which I love), plus real competition for Kroenke's Inglewood plans in the form of the Chargers and Raiders. Hmmmm...pretty interesting. Thinking dispassionately, I decided my bottom line was that St. Louis remain an NFL city, even if the Rams left for LA. I'd still care about the Rams, but from a distance, and not as I did in the GSOT days.

Now the Rams football leadership has begun work on the roster problem, as well. No cap room? Cut Wells, and Jake Long; and trade your $13Million QB for one who makes $1.5Million, and voila! Suddenly $28Million to play with under the salary cap. Then add Ayers, and Fairley. Suddenly, the Rams have a defensive line made up of five first-round picks, and speedy outside linebackers - the kind you need to cover tight ends, even the new one of the Seahawks. Still need to work on the offensive line, but...now there's cap room; and the Rams pick #10; likelihood is that the Rams should be able to get an O-lineman; or Amari Cooper; OR maybe trade up for Marcus Mariota. Hmmmm again...now getting really interesting.

Now I have a month to decide whether to renew my season tickets. For a lame duck year? No way! But...this team looks like it might be kinda fun. And...is there any way the Rams - or whoever might occupy a new stadium - would give special consideration to an original, PSL-buying, 20+ year season ticket holder in the new stadium? Now, THAT would burn; if I gave up my season tickets for this year, and in so doing gave up my place in line at a new stadium. But it also would burn if I renewed my tickets; the new stadium never got built; and the Rams didn't even stay.

A conundrum. Thank God the snow is gone; if this rain ever stops, at least I can play golf while I mull over my options. Cost is about $3500 per year for four seats; not bad if they're competitive; a waste if they're not. Looking for some guidance; if you were in my position, what would you do?

I'd go if I was in your shoes. No question about it. It's football. Think of all the fans that would love to have a PSL. If they go, you'll never get to see them again.
 

bluecoconuts

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Here's the way I see it.

If you have the money to spare (as in, it's not a big deal, if something comes up you wont be screwed, etc) then go for it.

If they leave at the end of the year, then at least you got to see their last season. If they don't leave, then you can continue going.
 

Boston Ram

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I wish my team lived close enough to my home to go to games. If they did I would renew. Even if you think it's the last year, then renew and enjoy! You can only control what you can control.

Look.....when they win the NFC West this year you will be kicking yourself in the butt for not renewing if you don't.
 

Big Unit

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Dieter is pretty insightful in these types of issues. You should listen to him
Understood. Super Bowl L - Rams over whoever, right? Surprisingly, leaning that way; still time for Roger Goodell to screw the NFL out of my support by continuing to show no leadership; but I'm leaning that way. Thanks!
 

StevenG-BR

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Dude, I felt the same way after the Inglewood nonsense was announced. I thought STL should send a message by turning the dome into a ghost town.

I've had a change of heart.

People are expecting this to be a lame duck season. Those people fail to realize that STL has the best freaking fans in the country. It's time to prove it.

The easy thing would be to abandon ship like so many other cities have done during lame duck years. But it's time to prove we're better. The way we send a statement is by rocking the roof off that dome.

Kroenke wants the empty stands to justify his nonsense. We need to expose him for the money grubbing scum he is by showing up in full force. Show the country that there's no good reason for the Rams to leave.

Some will complain about handing their money over to the enemy, Mr. Kroenke, but guess what... That's not going to make a difference. Depriving him of ticket sales will not break his wallet or ruffle his feathers. It will send no statement whatsoever...other than surrender.

Don't worry about the politics or where the money is going. We can't change any of that. The only statement we can make as fans is by showing up in full force and giving Kroenke a collective middle finger.

Renew the tickets. Convince your friends to do the same.