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Sam Bradford: In A Class All By Himself

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by -X-, May 19, 2014.

  1. RamBall Well-Known Member

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    Didnt seattle just win with Russel Wilson? Proof you do not need an elite QB to win the SB, mediocre is all that is needed if you have a stout D.
     
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  2. bwdenverram Well-Known Member

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    The interesting thing to me is Wilson (who I think is good but not great) passed for 200 yards and 2 TD's in the SB. Both of those TD's were in the 3rd and 4th quarter when the game was already over. I've heard many people say Sam gets TD's and yards in "garbage" time. Those two TD's by Wilson had no effect on the outcome of the game but it sure did pad is QB rating, didn't it?

    And FWIW, Wilson passed for 3,357 yards, 26 TD's and 9 INT's with a completion percentage of 63.1%. Anyone think in 16 full games Bradfords #'s aren't better? You think having the #1 defense in the entire NFL and one of the best rushing attacks didn't help that? I would bet my ass without looking it up that the stats X posted on the SB winners had a very high percentage of good to great defenses or a very good running game.

    Go ask Peyton manning which he 'd prefer cuz just a great QB alone isn't enough.
     
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  3. A55VA6 Shutdown Corner

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    Very good football player, but he isn't elite. He's more of a game manger but does make alot of good plays. He's closer to elite than Kaepernick though. When people say Kaepernick is elite, my blood boils.
     
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  4. bwdenverram Well-Known Member

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    That's the thing. I think if either of those QB's were on mediocre or bad teams we wouldn't even have this discussion. But they both play on teams with top 5 defenses and top 10 running games. They don't have to do everything.
     
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  5. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    Baltimore just did with Flacco(well, I guess it depends on how you define mediocre). Yes, I'm reiterating what you're saying to an extent but the conclusion is a little different. I'm saying that even mediocre starting QBs are capable of the type of stretches necessary to win a Super Bowl.

    Obviously, give me an elite QB if I can get one, though.
     
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  6. LesBaker Mr. Savant

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    The playoffs were Warner's personal bitch, he owned them. The greatest playoff run ever by a QB was his run up to and including the SB then the amazing game v. the Packers the next year.

    I've never seen anything like it. You knew crap was real when Terry Bradshaw picked the Cardinals over his Steelers in the SB and said "I'm not betting against Warner".
     
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  7. A55VA6 Shutdown Corner

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    Yep. I mean Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman brought their teams to the Super Bowl. If that can happen, Bradford could definitely lead us to a Super Bowl. When a team struggles, the QB is the one everyone blames.
     
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  8. LesBaker Mr. Savant

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    Vag I'm with you, when people heap praise on CK I want ask "what is so great about him"........I see nothing there that makes him anything more than average.
     
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  9. bwdenverram Well-Known Member

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    The only advantage I see with Wilson or Kaperdick is mobility. I don't see any advantage from a traditional QB standpoint. I'll take Bradford's arm and accuracy.

    Guess it doesn't matter though, we'll see what we really have this year.
     
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  10. mr.stlouis Well-Known Member

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    I think Manning is elite, but lost to Wilson. It's a team sport.
     
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  11. -X- I'm the dude, man.

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    Agreed. If a football novice saw these two graphics, and didn't know anything about them, I wonder what conclusion they would draw.

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  12. dieterbrock Well-Known Member

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    123 rating with 2 td and no picks looks pretty elite to me.....
     
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  13. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    Agreed.
     
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  14. -X- I'm the dude, man.

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    How's this look?

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  15. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    There are quite a few elite defenses on that list. [​IMG]
    I'm half tempted(whatever that means) to research the offensive/defensive ranks of those championship teams. I did that before for notable SB winning teams. My guess is that i find that the defenses were better than the offense in most cases.

    Yes i realize we're talking about QB's...but i don't care. Show me an elite offense and my elite defense will beat you.
     
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  16. -X- I'm the dude, man.

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    That would be really cool if you did. It's a bit laborious, but you're a pretty husky guy.
     
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  17. jrry32 Well-Known Member

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    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/super-bowl/

    If you click on the Super Bowl winners, it should give you the relevant stats for each team.
     
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  18. -X- I'm the dude, man.

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  19. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    I'm on it boss.
     
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  20. dieterbrock Well-Known Member

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    I must have missed that super bowl
     
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