Russ Lande Mock Draft

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The Dog said:
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I guess I wouldn't if I needed an offensive tackle first.

:shifty:

If you need an OT then I suppose you're right.
I think OT, is a greater need, and a higher graded position, but I don't even think that is the greatest need on this team this year, not by far.

Hey Dog, I could be wrong. We'll see, because Warmack will be there when we pick, IMO.
 

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OMG, he sure was, and a lot of Ram Nation wanted him.

Still didn't have nearly the same buzz, imo. I never saw him in a Mock as a Top 10 player grade wise nor did I see him going anywhere in the top 10-15. He ended up at #24 overall.

I doubt Warmack even makes it to us because he's that good - but if he does, we better take him #16. Otherwise he ain't gonna make it to #22 - especially with the bears in front of us.

Some places have him listed as one of the top 5/top 10 players of this draft. CBS has him at #3. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings</a>
 

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OMG, he sure was, and a lot of Ram Nation wanted him.

Still didn't have nearly the same buzz, imo. I never saw him in a Mock as a Top 10 player grade wise nor did I see him going anywhere in the top 10-15. He ended up at #24 overall.

I doubt Warmack even makes it to us because he's that good - but if he does, we better take him #16. Otherwise he ain't gonna make it to #22 - especially with the bears in front of us.

Some places have him listed as one of the top 5/top 10 players of this draft. CBS has him at #3. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings</a>
Walter had him at #11. NFLDRAFTSCOUT @ #10. NFLDRAFTCOUNTDOWN @ #8. That's three. Nobody else remembers this? There were plenty of guys even here that wanted Decastro. Huge buzz about Decastro last year geez. There were plenty of guys that were pissed when we picked Brockers, and not Decastro, and how did that work out? Don't make me go into the archives....lol
 

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There were plenty of guys that were pissed when we picked Brockers, and not Decastro, and how did that work out? Don't make me go into the archives....lol

I don't want to be blunt but that's because they were idiots.

Brockers was the pick all the way, a typical jeff fisher pick. I couldn't have been happier with the pick after the initial shock of trading out of the 6th spot and passing on claiborne. I loved it even more once they picked jenkins in the 2nd round.

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DR RAM said:
iced said:
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OMG, he sure was, and a lot of Ram Nation wanted him.

Still didn't have nearly the same buzz, imo. I never saw him in a Mock as a Top 10 player grade wise nor did I see him going anywhere in the top 10-15. He ended up at #24 overall.

I doubt Warmack even makes it to us because he's that good - but if he does, we better take him #16. Otherwise he ain't gonna make it to #22 - especially with the bears in front of us.

Some places have him listed as one of the top 5/top 10 players of this draft. CBS has him at #3. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings</a>
Walter had him at #11. NFLDRAFTSCOUT @ #10. NFLDRAFTCOUNTDOWN @ #8. That's three. Nobody else remembers this? There were plenty of guys even here that wanted Decastro. Huge buzz about Decastro last year geez. There were plenty of guys that were pissed when we picked Brockers, and not Decastro, and how did that work out? Don't make me go into the archives....lol

Take a look at my Join date bro :)

I knew it was Brockers the whole way. Terrible run D, and fisher likes a strong front four.

but I keep hearing how Warmack is a "special talent".. some people have gone as far to say "multiple pro bowler", even heard "HOF type" somewhere (these are analysts, not online boarders. And I really only watch NFL Network - never watch espn). Never heard those kind of marks, or even "special talent", when discussing Decastro. And that's not a knock on the kid at all. That just shows you how talented Warmack is.

here - some are even debating if Warmack is one of the best players, or the best player, in the draft.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap1000000137989/article/2013-nfl-drafts-top-prospect-luke-joeckel-vs-chance-warmack" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap100 ... ce-warmack</a>

NFL.com grade is a 95.9. They define 96-100 as:
Title: "Future Hall of Famer"

Description: "A once-in-a-generation type of prospect who could change how his position is played"

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/chance-warmack?id=2539194" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/ ... id=2539194</a>
 

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I'm not all that knowledgable about the draft. However, it sure seems that on Draft day, OTs rise and OGs fall.
 

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DR RAM said:
The Dog said:
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I guess I wouldn't if I needed an offensive tackle first.

:shifty:

If you need an OT then I suppose you're right.
I think OT, is a greater need, and a higher graded position, but I don't even think that is the greatest need on this team this year, not by far.

Hey Dog, I could be wrong. We'll see, because Warmack will be there when we pick, IMO.

Not pickin at ya....but enjoy pickin your brain because if you see OT as a greater need whereas I do not, then I'm a lil more apt to give it some consideration. And i'm not above changing my tune after proper consideration. ;)

But you're right, we could all be wrong. Thats one of the reasons there's so much suspense in April
 

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I remember decastro being described as an instant pro bowler and that he will be one for over a decade. That didn't stop him from falling on draft day.

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I think that drafting a DT early is basically saying that you're fairly satisfied with your roster as a whole and you can afford to take the BPA without blinking an eye. The Rams ain't there yet.

The DLine is important,but its also quite talented and heavily invested already....i don't forsee that scenario unless we see a trade down.

I like the Vaccaro pick in that mock. Highly graded and a need.

The Austin pick i'm skittish on....i think he'll be there in the 2nd rd. Having said that,i have no problem picking a smallish WR....as long as his intangibles grade out. You've got to do your homework on those small,explosive guys....what do they have between the ears in terms of fearlessness and can their body adjust to a more physical game? Glad i don't have to gamble on that. :ww:

Steve Smith-type toughness and competitiveness i'm thinking here....and i WANT that guy running routes and making plays.

Rams NEED a return specialist from this draft....BAD....from somewhere. Just another reason i might lean in favor of reaching for a guy like T.Austin late in the 1st.
 

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iced said:
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iced said:
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OMG, he sure was, and a lot of Ram Nation wanted him.

Still didn't have nearly the same buzz, imo. I never saw him in a Mock as a Top 10 player grade wise nor did I see him going anywhere in the top 10-15. He ended up at #24 overall.

I doubt Warmack even makes it to us because he's that good - but if he does, we better take him #16. Otherwise he ain't gonna make it to #22 - especially with the bears in front of us.

Some places have him listed as one of the top 5/top 10 players of this draft. CBS has him at #3. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings</a>
Walter had him at #11. NFLDRAFTSCOUT @ #10. NFLDRAFTCOUNTDOWN @ #8. That's three. Nobody else remembers this? There were plenty of guys even here that wanted Decastro. Huge buzz about Decastro last year geez. There were plenty of guys that were pissed when we picked Brockers, and not Decastro, and how did that work out? Don't make me go into the archives....lol

Take a look at my Join date bro :)

I knew it was Brockers the whole way. Terrible run D, and fisher likes a strong front four.

but I keep hearing how Warmack is a "special talent".. some people have gone as far to say "multiple pro bowler", even heard "HOF type" somewhere (these are analysts, not online boarders. And I really only watch NFL Network - never watch espn). [hil]Never heard those kind of marks, or even "special talent", when discussing Decastro.[/hil]And that's not a knock on the kid at all. That just shows you how talented Warmack is.

here - some are even debating if Warmack is one of the best players, or the best player, in the draft.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap1000000137989/article/2013-nfl-drafts-top-prospect-luke-joeckel-vs-chance-warmack" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap100 ... ce-warmack</a>

NFL.com grade is a 95.9. They define 96-100 as:
Title: "Future Hall of Famer"

Description: "A once-in-a-generation type of prospect who could change how his position is played"

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/chance-warmack?id=2539194" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/ ... id=2539194</a>
Then clearly you were not paying attention at all last year... That's all I heard, and I always pay attention.

edit: I'm out of this, seems ridiculous to argue what was pretty much a consensus last year. My opinion stands.
 

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Then clearly you were not paying attention at all last year... That's all I heard, and I always pay attention.

edit: I'm out of this, seems ridiculous to argue what was pretty much a consensus last year. My opinion stands.

-sigh-

I did pay attention - just never decastro as being described as the best player in the draft, or even in that debate. Whatever.

kurtfaulk said:
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I remember decastro being described as an instant pro bowler and that he will be one for over a decade. That didn't stop him from falling on draft day.

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Oh yea - i'm not debating that. Like I said before, I'm not minimizing decastro. I'm just saying Warmack is a better prospect.
 

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Eh DeCastro was seen as a top 10 prospect most places last year and many people thought he was a Pro Bowl talent. Including myself. That said, Warmack has a more complete game and is a better prospect than DeCastro.
 

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iced said:
DR RAM said:
Then clearly you were not paying attention at all last year... That's all I heard, and I always pay attention.

edit: I'm out of this, seems ridiculous to argue what was pretty much a consensus last year. My opinion stands.

-sigh-

I did pay attention - just never decastro as being described as the best player in the draft, or even in that debate. Whatever.
And that's all they are. Opinions.
There's no need for anyone to get touchy about them, or insinuate that opposing views stem from not paying attention.

Last year NFL.com gave the following profile on DeCastro:

OVERVIEW DeCastro is an extremely polished guard out of Stanford who started for three consecutive years. While he is considered an early entry junior, he spent four years at Stanford and has already graduated. He is a disciplined and NFL-ready player who likely will warrant a starting spot immediately through his play. He could be one of the highest draft picks at the guard position in recent years, and he could easily go in the top 10.

STRENGTHS DeCastro is a technician on the field and is beautiful to watch for those who respect offensive line play. He is very quick off the ball to get into his block. DeCastro is able to shuffle nicely to avoid trash when pulling or down blocking. Once engaged, he is very strong to his ground. He demonstrates a good snap upon contact with defenders and is usually the one providing the drive-back pressure on his man. Once locked on his man, he can drive and maneuver them at will using his very strong upper body. DeCastro is extremely controlled in his movements, and he has body control and overall balance that is rare for a man his size. DeCastro is very athletic on the move and can key in and adjust well on his moving target. It's nearly impossible to find many weak points in DeCastro's play throughout college, and he could easily be the best lineman on his team as a rookie.

WEAKNESSES DeCastro is inconsistent when finishing run blocks downfield. There were times in 2011 when he would fall off his blocks at times -- although never an effort issue, there are some slight hitches in his bending and footwork downfield that cause him to fall off slightly. He is not a violent puncher with his hands, but he doesn't necessarily need to acquire that trait because he is such a technician.

GRADE: 92.5

Mayock's take: "He's a natural Pittsburgh Steeler. He's a plug-and-play guard. The Steelers have had all kinds of problems up front, and this kid fits in Pittsburgh."

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Compared to Warmack from the same site this year:

OVERVIEW Alabama running backs Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson have received deserved acclaim for their production over the past three seasons, two of which ended with Tide head coach Nick Saban holding the crystal football signifying a BCS championship. One of the big reasons for the success of the team’s running attack, figuratively and literally, is the play of Warmack.

Coming out of Atlanta’s Westlake High School as a top national recruit, Warmack earned playing time at guard in five games as a true freshman. He was injected into the starting line-up the following year, starting all 13 games at left guard – the same spot where he again lined up every week in the team’s second BCS championship season last fall. The second-team All-SEC pick in 2011 brings a nice combination of strength and mobility to Alabama’s offensive line, which in and of itself would make him a potential starter at the next level.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS Thick interior player. Possesses a strong punch to shock oncoming defenders and consistently extends his arms to keep them at bay in pass protection. Strong lower half helps his anchor against bull rushes. Mobile enough to effectively trap and pull, regularly negates targets coming into the hole and flattens defensive backs in his path. Practiced fitting on linebackers on combo blocks. Brings attitude on every play, constantly keeps his hands and feet moving when drive-blocking, rolling his hips through contact, and looking to pancake his man whenever possible. Doesn’t have the quickest feet, but is very technically sound and uses his strong punch to stop defenders and his length to mirror. Drives interior defensive tackle off the ball on base blocks. Has handled a number of dominating college defensive lineman with ease.

WEAKNESSES Pops straight up out of his stance at times, losing leverage battle against better tackles on occasion. Has foot speed to get out in front of screens but will miss targets and lacks the short area quickness to adjust to defenders on the move. Will stop his feet after first contact at times. Does not elite recovery speed to stop secondary rushes from quicker defensive linemen. Not asked to be a puller for Alabama’s zone-heavy run scheme.

NFL COMPARISON Carl Nicks

BOTTOM LINE Sturdy guard with dominating strength at the point of attack and enough mobility to clear the way for Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram, 2012 top five pick Trent Richardson, and probable first round pick Eddie Lacy over the last three seasons. His toughness and durability are outstanding, and he grades out as one of the elite talents in the 2013 draft, and as a probable starter day one on Sundays -- and he'll stick around for a long time.

GRADE: 95.9
 

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And that's all they are. Opinions.
There's no need for anyone to get touchy about them, or insinuate that opposing views stem from not paying attention.

Last year NFL.com gave the following profile on DeCastro:

GRADE: 92.5

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Compared to Warmack from the same site this year:

GRADE: 95.9

Thank you. Alls I was trying to say was that Charmack has more buzz around him then Decastro did and has been viewed as a better prospect - the grades reflected that.
 

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Vaccaro fills a big need, but i truly dont see us need a 1st round WR..
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Even if we lose Amendola?

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no DA, Vaccaro and Austin are must do's, and it might be for the best..Vaccaro is the CFer we need, and Austin could be better than DA for less money..If DA goes elsewhere and for the money and injuries, it might be for the best..with Austin in the slot, our receivers would be Givens and Quick, and i really think Quick is gonna pan out, absolutely great work ethic and super hands.. Kendricks at TE will give us a formidable receiving corp..Pettis and Gibson as backups, not so bad. Could even draft a project later that fits the slot to back up Austin and give him competition..
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ps i really love DA, the way he plays all out, but he does get nicked up a lot