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My rebuttal :

1'st) This wasn't the case when I first named Edmunds as my #23 pick back on Jan. 23. He was a late 1'st and primarily a 2'nd round mock choice until he began flying up the charts beginning a few weeks ago. Edmunds could very well become an early 49'ers pick, but they also have big needs elsewhere at CB, OL & WR.

2'nd) My 3'rd round choice of WR DJ Chark was to add competition for Reynolds as Watkins was allowed to walk since his contract demands may just become too high, and our 'fat' receiving corps isn't quite so rotund without Watkins leading the pack.

3'rd) RB Mark Walton gives the Rams a true change of pace threat. While I have nothing against Tillery or Laskey, neither could make last seasons roster, and the guy I liked as #3 Justin Davis appeared out of favor with McVay as he couldn't get on the field. By the way, I didn't forget about Sam Rogers, look again, he was previously named to the 53. Are you sure you read my mock before commenting ?

4'th) Well, I have 2 OT's in my draft already, the C/OG Corbett pick is for depth and in case Brown leaves us in the 2019 free agency period.

5'th) No, and this is where not having a 2'nd round pick hurts, although I had previously taken the best CB in free agency and will rely on Hill to continue to press his progress in his competition with Webster for 2018. I did draft CB Facyson in the 6'th for added depth, but once Joshua Jackson came off the board earlier in the 1'st round, I changed strategy and will wait until 2019 to draft a higher CB.

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Your right on Edmunds, he has rocketed up the draft boards the last few weeks! Yes sir that loss of that 2nd rounder is a big issue to deal with. I was never as excited as most when we traded for Watkins. So I am tainted on Watkins & not viewing him as a big loss for McVay to deal with & I am always @ odds with most our members on this subject. Its always interesting to see how each of us view things with our team.

On the CB matter if a few non UFA's can be obtained with no real big cap costs to go with NRC, Hill, Peterson, Webster & the return of the versatile Joyner ....corners may end up not being such a pressing weakness.
 

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2nd- Rams offense is full of young play toys everywhere & the receiving units (WR/SL/RB/TE/HB) is very young crammed full of talent best overall receiving unit in 15 yrs. With the Rams having serious needs for youth & salary cap easement in so many other units especially on defense ...

If I didn't know better, I would think you were selling me on the Rams being NFC Champions. Yes, the Rams went from last in scoring to #1. But, could they beat the 4 NFC divisional teams? No. Of the the 4, they only beat the Saints. Along with a few defensive positions,, the TE position could be improved. Why was Derek Carrier signed just before the start of the season? Coach McVay must not have been very confident in that unit. I'm not saying I agree with the choice of Chark in in his Mock, just that every unit could still use improvement.

I would not forget about the other Rams RB's either ......McVay drafted a multi purpose Jack of all trade backfield operative in our #4 RB Sam Rogers in the 6th round with future demands to be made of this Virginia Tech product. Rogers has experience as ball carrier, pass catcher, pass protector and lead blocker. Said to be able (but in limited cameo ops Rogers did not do well) block from multiple sets and formations from many starts in college..

It sounds like you haven't been to training camp. There is a reason Sam Rogers didn't make the final 53. He's is slow. In the 5 training camp sessions I viewed last Summer, Rogers never gained any separation from a LB in pass drills. And, he didn't turn heads as a blocker. Not sure why you wouldn't want more competition at HB and FB.
 

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I can't see the Jets giving much for Quinn with his lack of pressure and cost. Brown would not be worth 3rd rounder considering he will be a FA in 2019. The offensive slant to your draft is interesting.

RG - Andrew Norwell (Carolina) - 26

That would be a great upgrade for the offense if they could swing it. I wouldn't be a total surprise if they could trade Brown. I do think they need to rebuild the defense more than address the offense. I do expect at least one surprise on the offensive side of the ball.

4) RB - Mark Walton, Miami (change of pace outside threat, Austin replacement)

If he drops that far it could be a move they make. McVay has to like his catching ability. I do think they need a change of pace back. He could also be on the field with TG.

1-22) OLB - Tremaine Edmonds, VTech

Been reading the debate on Edmonds position. I bet he could be productive as an OLBer that rushes the QB. Rams might move him around some. We will have to see where he gets slotted before the draft.

It's going to be hard for Snead to make moves being at the 23 spot plus no second round pick. To take a Mark Walton he may need trade downs to get more picks.
 

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If I didn't know better, I would think you were selling me on the Rams being NFC Champions. Yes, the Rams went from last in scoring to #1. But, could they beat the 4 NFC divisional teams? No. Of the the 4, they only beat the Saints. Along with a few defensive positions,, the TE position could be improved. Why was Derek Carrier signed just before the start of the season? Coach McVay must not have been very confident in that unit. I'm not saying I agree with the choice of Chark in in his Mock, just that every unit could still use improvement.

It sounds like you haven't been to training camp. There is a reason Sam Rogers didn't make the final 53. He's is slow. In the 5 training camp sessions I viewed last Summer, Rogers never gained any separation from a LB in pass drills. And, he didn't turn heads as a blocker. Not sure why you wouldn't want more competition at HB and FB.

Good morning 8 to 1 :coffee:...No disagreement with you sir yes most all elements of this current Ram team can stand to be improved. You sure have not seen any post by me saying that the Rams are ready to be a long term dynasty. I do try hard to be positive but its my nature to be highly critical & detailed. So with that in mind....please entertain me a bit....

Question.#1-
Which 2017 NFL team is one of the youngest teams in the NFL? I'll help you out with the answer ...the Browns were #1.

Question #2-Which NFL team was the youngest of all teams involved in the playoffs?

Question#3- Of the Ram offensive & defense units which of these units rated much better in overall success at the conclusion of the Rams season?

Question #4- Where on this Ram team is most of the talented skilled youth & recent draft wealth investments reside at?

Thanks.... you see where I am going here. Yes I would be first to agree with you that one unit that never got UN-tracked in the passing game was the TE's. I am far from being happy with what I observed from this unit in 2017. I have posted many times & made some of our well known Ram members angry @ me in the Chat Room because I voiced my disappointments somewhere close to :poop: description of their efforts with this unit. But I have settled on down now in to having a opinion close to that of @Merlin on our 4 signed TE's.

Rams have a TE unit that averages 24.5 yrs old & 1 yr plus average of NFL experience. Rams have utilize 3 draft selections in the last 2 drafts in this unit. One would expect to see a vast improvement with our TE's in 2018 with both Hemingway & Everett entering their 2nd season. I would suggest letting them stew some before giving up or investing more $$$ or Draft selections in this unit.Derek Carrier was traded for because Hemingway broke his leg in pre season plus he is an excellent pass catcher Move TE as you well know.

My thoughts on why this very young team was unable to win the big games was not due to the offense but due to the RUN defense ( mainly LB'ers Quinn, Barron & Tree).

I have never been to the Rams TC as you have detected but I sure read as much as I can get down here. I do not travel to my birth state of California & birth city of North Hollywood anymore.Its really hard to get out of the deep south due to our red clay paths & dirt roads near the AL-FL state lines. Some have said that their are a few paved roads around here but I have yet to find them for all the cotton & peanut fields. Do you think Californians will permit me on the freeways on my Honda 4x4 ATV with my Dogs & Firearms.:thinking:

Finally, Sam Rogers is only 22 yrs old & yes he is a retro FB most FB's are not fast but slow. I have no issues with additional RB competition. As I see it Gurley is a solid #1, Brown sold #2...its still not clear if former #1 pick RB TA will be be cut or retained. Rams might decide to offer UFA RB Dunbar a 1 yrs contract too now that he is past his knee issues. Rams do have 1st yr RB's Austin Davis & Lenard Tillery under contract along with Laskey. All of the above is an easy do without wasting a priceless rare Ram draft selection on another RB when there is ZERO need too.

Thanks for your time 8to12 Happy Trails!:cheers:
 

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My thoughts on why this very young team was unable to win the big games was not due to the offense but due to the RUN defense ( mainly LB'ers Quinn, Barron & Tree).

Yeah go back and watch that loss vs Atlanta and our inability to stop the run was our undoing. The moment Atlanta elected to mash the ball--which interestingly enough was immediately following Brock's departure from the field--was the moment it was over.

Good thing is this draft is flush with LB not to mention NT to help us out. I really think Snead's gonna move down, as seems to be his tendency, depending on who slides to us at 23; when there is so much quality at positions of need late round one and into round two, it just makes too much sense. There absolutely will be multiple choices to help us out, just comes down to whether the guys the Rams consider the impact players are still there.
 

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It's an interesting take. I don't really get the trade with the Jets insofar as Brown is involved. Brown improved significantly as the season went, continuity on the OL is quite valuable, and Brown is still on his rookie contact. Why trade him and replace him with an OG who will need a big contract?

IMO, Tremaine Edmunds is long gone by the late-first round. He's being talked about as a top 10 pick. I also doubt that Chark is around in the third round. Orlando Brown being there in the late-first round is a toss up for me. Corbett also seems like he's on the rise and will be gone sooner than that. However, I like the players you drafted, and it's hard to project draft position at this point in time.
 

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I appreciate the work and love reading these mocks. I just have a problem with the trades, they typically over value our players. Jimmy Garoppolo netted 2nd rounder, don’t see Quinn and or Brown even close to that.
 

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I appreciate the work and love reading these mocks. I just have a problem with the trades, they typically over value our players. Jimmy Garoppolo netted 2nd rounder, don’t see Quinn and or Brown even close to that.

Could be. Thing is Garoppolo hadn't done anything at the time of his trade, Quinn has a pretty deep record of success and, of course, missing time, ... Brown has been a starting OG and at only 24 some seem to believe this young vet has a real future. We'll see how it plays out soon enough.
 

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It's an interesting take. I don't really get the trade with the Jets insofar as Brown is involved. Brown improved significantly as the season went, continuity on the OL is quite valuable, and Brown is still on his rookie contact. Why trade him and replace him with an OG who will need a big contract?

Well, as mentioned in a few other threads, i'd only do the Brown for Norwell exchange in the event Watkins isn't re-signed, Norwell is a far, far better pass protector and this is a passing league which McVay appears to want to take advantage of, he's also an improvement as a rush blocker ... and if he makes Goff & Gurley better, then i'm all for it. Brown will be getting paid next year anyway, whether it be us or someone else, so trading him seems opportune if Norwell came aboard, and this eliminates any worry over another OL player that may disappear in free agency any time soon. jmo.
 
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My final mock until the Combine, I promise.

OK, I decided to flip this mock on its backside with something a bit more unexpected, a free agency which is dominated with defensive pick-ups and another draft leaning heavily towards the offense. Yup, you heard that right. I've also included two trades, something which I hadn't added previously. 1) The Jets are a rebuilding team and will likely draft a QB with their first pick, but they also need OG's for protection and run blocking while getting the poor guy up and going before he gets himself killed. As jrry mentioned earlier, they also have little in the way of an edge rush, so I offer both Quinn & Brown for N.Y.'s 2'nd & 3'rd round draft picks. 2) The Rams are looking for an eventual potential LT that hopefully may someday be able to occupy Whitworth's shoes, so we trade both our new picks from the Jets (#37 & # 72) in order to move up into Buffalo's second 1'st round pick at #22. This trade works out quite fairly with the NFL Trade Value Chart. This mock allows us to strengthen our OL depth and prepare for the eventual departure of Whitworth, it replaces our primary need at #1 CB with what I believe is a better player, and quite possibly puts our defense in the 5 - 10 rank.

CAP cutting Austin, Barron & Quinn adds over $21mil. to our already previously scheduled $45mil. of available CAP, and all three of these positions can be improved upon for far less money. Extending Saffold now also saves CAP in 2018 as well as preserves a top Lineman for our team's future as we look towards 2019 when both Havenstein & Brown could enter free agency. Finally, Tremaine Edmunds looks like the prototypical pass rushing OLB college prospect we all covet with excellent speed and great length. I added Rogers to the 53 for his additional pass catching skills and would love to see strengthened blocking for our RB's & QB. Butler will sign for less than TruJo has been costing us and Norwell will essentially be taking the CAP space of Watkins had I instead chosen to re-sign him. With approximately $66.mil in available CAP space, signing the 4 new free agents and re-signing the players we want to keep shouldn't be all that difficult, so I present you with the team which will take us to next years Super Bowl ...

Traded : Robert Quinn & Jamon Brown to the Jets
CAP Cut : Austin, Barron & Quinn.
Extend : Donald & Saffold.
Re-sign : Joyner, Sullivan, Robey-Coleman, Easley (if healthy), Cody Davis & McQuaide.
Re-sign vet minimum and possible camp cuts Tyrunn Walker, Cornelious Lucas
Tender all RFA's (Longacre, Hill, D.Williams, M. Brown, Lynch)

Let walk - Sammy Watkins, Tru Johnson, Connor Barwin, Lance Dunbar, Derek Carrier

Free agency signings (4) :

CB - Malcolm Butler (N.E.) - 27
RG - Andrew Norwell (Carolina) - 26
ILB - Todd Davis (Denver) - 25
NT - Justin Ellis (Oakland) - 27

2018 Draft :

1-22) OLB - Tremaine Edmonds, VTech
1-23) OT - Orlando Brown, Ok.
2) Received from NYJ - Traded to Buffalo
3a) Received from NYJ - Traded to Buffalo
3b) WR - DJ Chark, LSU (Outstanding Senior Bowl game)
4) RB - Mark Walton, Miami (change of pace outside threat, Austin replacement)
5) C/OG - Austin Corbett, Nv.
6a) QB - Kurt Benkert, Va.
6b) CB - Brandon Facyson, VTech
6c) OT - Alex Cappa, Hum.St. (to the practice squad)


The 53 :

Offense (25) :

QB) Goff, Mannion, Benkert
RB) Gurley, M. Brown, Walton
FB) Rogers
WR) Reynolds, Woods, Kupp, Cooper, Chark, Thomas
TE) Higbee, Everett, Hemingway
LT) Whitworth, O.Brown, Lucas
LG) Saffold, Blythe, Corbett
C) Sullivan, Corbett, Blythe
RG) Norwell, Corbett
RT) Havenstein, Lucas, O.Brown

Defense (25) :

LDE) Brockers, Easley, Fox
NT) Ellis, Walker, Westbrooks
RDE) Donald, Westbrooks, Fox
LOLB) Ebukam, Sickels
ILB) Davis, Hager
ILB) Ogletree, Littleton, Lynch
ROLB) Edmonds, Longacre
FS) Joyner, Davis
SS) John Johnson, Isaiah Johnson
CB) Butler, Webster, Robey-Coleman, Hill, Facyson

Special Teams (3)

K) Zuerlein
P) Hekker
LS) McQuaide


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Lol Nice mock @Riverumbbq! Stop copying or at least stop whispering things into my ear at night while I'm sleeping! haha


Love the Norwell pick up (obviously lol), and the trade the the Jets! lol
As far as your mock goes for some reason I'm never been sold on Malcolm Butler outside of being in NE. Just always seemed to me to be a system type of player. Maybe I'm biased? IDK

I wouldn't let Sammy walk either. I think he'll only get better with us in time more than anybody that we can pick up this year. IDK the financials how you set everything up so maybe under this situation we absolutely could not afford him.

P.s. like that Davis Pick up but I WANT Bowman! :D