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Rams not going Oline in round 1?

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by Elmgrovegnome, Apr 10, 2014.

  1. Alan Well-Known Member

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    First thing I've got to say is, I like this numbering system we got going. :) Especially in my condition. :LOL:

    #1 You just repeated what you said the first time so see my prior reasoning.
    #2 Of course I'm not saying that. Odds are odds tony. That's why I always say the chances are less. Can you deny that? And further, can you even say that the odds are good? I would think the math says no to both of those questions.
    #3 Thats why I just disagreed with your 3rd round contention so no, I'm not saying you can't get a good one in the 2nd round.
    #4 Then I didn't make myself clear. they were merely a huge part of the change in the roster (and injuries + luck) that caused them to have such a huge turn around. As such, I felt it to to be a very valid point to think about. I still do.

    And yes, I agree with your contention that this years draft will not be like last years draft. But here's the thing, the math will be the same. That's why I love math. :)

    Keep in mind that I said this in the beginning: "Something to think about yes?" I'm not saying my way or the highway here. It's just things to think about before coming to your final opinion. Whatever that is. (y)
     
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  2. BonifayRam Well-Known Member

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    James would be very good swing OT prospect in my book I have mentioned him often and really hope that he would be on the board @ #75.
     
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  3. DR RAM Rams Lifer

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    I really like both those boys at Tennessee. Funny, I would be watching tape on one, and then the other would flash, kept happening.
     
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  4. iced Well-Known Member

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    So we're spending a first round pick to start in 3 years? I'm pretty sure that's where the word "development" comes from, especially regarding late round picks and players you plan to groom into that position.

    Long is going to be here for a few years - and as much as people want to inflate his "injury bug" - might i remind you he only missed one game... if you wanna bring up miami and his previous history, then i can easily point to Jeff Fisher and how he handles his players, particularly veterans
     
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  5. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    Finnegan was going to be here a few years, too. No one knows for sure.

    BTW, he only missed one game because his injury occurred at the end of the season. Would Saffold be less injury prone if his injuries had similar timing?
     
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  6. iced Well-Known Member

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    Oh BS. You saw the length of that contract and the cap - it was never a "one year deal" - they were expecting him to perform on a high level - not a league worst

    Stop right there. Saffold has missed many games almost every year, including early, middle, and late - terrible comparison
     
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  7. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    There is youth and young talent all over this roster with the exception of the offensive line. The expensive tape and glue FA approach hasn't worked. Its time to invest here.
     
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  8. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    Take another look at the contract. They didn't make it easy capwise for the organization to get out of his deal in 2 years because they shared your beliefs of his longevity. He was and is a risk.

    As far Saffold, my point remains. If his injuries had occurred towards the end of seasons, he would have missed fewer games. Wouldn't he?
     
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  9. iced Well-Known Member

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    saffold missed several games during the season, and he also left at the end of the last game of the season (or as you could put, toward the end of the season).

    They believed Finnegan would be worth his cap number based on his play and his leadership; unfortunately , his play became the equivalent of justin king
     
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  10. mr.stlouis Well-Known Member

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    OL in the first isn't what Jeff likes to do. He likes playmakers in round one. With several really solid OL'man in the second round, I think our #1 goal is to trade down and draft a guy like Watkins. Mathews and Robinson are a pln C just like Brockers was. But like Brockers, drafting a big time trench guy is a great plan C. We can't go wrong, there.
     
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  11. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    I understand Saffold's injury timeline. But, again my point was that games missed isn't the sole determination of proneness to injury. If Saffold's injury timeline matched Long's he wouldn't have been considered less injury prone. And if Long's matched Saffold, he wouldn't have been any more injury prone.

    And one could argue that Finnegan's play suffered due to injury. However, the main point I was making in bringing him up is that, few, if any, expected that he would gone so fast after signing his deal. So to suggest that Long is going to be with the team a few years as if it's gospel given the uncertainty of this league seems fruitless. And especially with his injury history and age (will be 30 prior to 2015 season).
     
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  12. Angry Ram aka Captain RAmerica aka the OG Rammer

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    Huh? That isn't what I said at all. If Jake Matthews were to be drafted, he would start @ RT, this year then when Jake Long leaves he'll take over at the left.

    I didn't mention injuries either. I really like JL. It's age and the contract, he won't be here for 5, 6 years. Maybe 3 years, tops.
     
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  13. iced Well-Known Member

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    why? Barksdale has been more than good at RT, and should only get better.
    you don't draft a guy for "5,6 years" down the line... they'll likely be jakes age by then - can't wait to hear then "oh we gotta replace him, he's old"
     
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  14. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    Of course, NFL teams and even readers would have to agree with the rankings of CBS Sports to completely agree with your conclusion. And even these rankings will likely change a few more times prior to the draft.
     
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  15. Alan Well-Known Member

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    Maybe yes and maybe no. Barksdale isn't likely to move to guard but Matthews can. You want your 5 best guys out there and that could easily mean having Matthews playing LG.
     
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  16. Alan Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry, you didn't get my point. It doesn't matter where everyone has these guys rated because the top 100 should be pretty much the same. Who cares whether these guys rate Mack the best overall player and someone else rates him the 5th best. He's still one of the 96 or so best players. I seriously doubt you could find anyone's top 96 list that would appreciably change the amount of top players at a position. Which was after all, my point.

    If you can find one let me know and I'll check it out. :)
     
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  17. Angry Ram aka Captain RAmerica aka the OG Rammer

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    Really dude? I hate saying this, especially on this board, but didn't you read my post? Joe Barksdale is an UFA after this year, and no new contract so far despite his good 2013 season.

    Jake Long isn't gonna be here for 5+ years, again...3 years tops. Contract and age. When he's let go, Jake Matthews will take over on the left (if he's drafted of course). Until then he would be starting right tackle, or possibly guard as @Alan said. Which I wouldn't like..but that's a different topic.
     
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  18. Alan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that would be the long term plan for sure.

    I also think that we'll probably end up letting Barksdale go after next year. I think he'll want to much money if he plays well this year and if he doesn't...
     
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  19. DR RAM Rams Lifer

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    Cap wise, that is my thinking as well.
     
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  20. Alan Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure any team can keep three starting caliber OTs. That's why you always need a good developing backup.

     
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