Rams look to simplify offense with Frank Cignetti/Wagoner

[Loyal]

"like novacaine, it works everytme.."

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[mr.stlouis]

I just dont get it. Schotty ran such a bland, predictable, offense overall. Usually he started the game good then fizzled out barring a spark or two. And if the game was close at half time then he threw in the hat in the third quarter only to play desperate, or keep on running the ball into the teeth of the D with no passing game established.

But hey, very young team without a starting QB and not even an average OL just wreaks of failure. Wasn't all him, but he didn't give them a chance either. The guy needed to go and shipping off Sam ended my reasons to keep him.

 

[12intheBox]

I just dont get it. Schotty ran such a bland, predictable, offense overall. Usually he started the game good then fizzled out barring a spark or two. And if the game was close at half time then he threw in the hat in the third quarter only to play desperate, or keep on running the ball into the teeth of the D with no passing game established.

But hey, very young team without a starting QB and not even an average OL just wreaks of failure. Wasn't all him, but he didn't give them a chance either. The guy needed to go and shipping off Sam ended my reasons to keep him.

It's not the game plan they want to simplify - it's the playbook in general

They just have too many instances where guys aren't on the same page. Guys are struggling to keep up with the level of detail required.

As someone else said - the defense could do a bit of the same.

How many miscommunication TDs did we see last year?

 

[yrba1]

I just dont get it. Schotty ran such a bland, predictable, offense overall. Usually he started the game good then fizzled out barring a spark or two. And if the game was close at half time then he threw in the hat in the third quarter only to play desperate, or keep on running the ball into the teeth of the D with no passing game established.

But hey, very young team without a starting QB and not even an average OL just wreaks of failure. Wasn't all him, but he didn't give them a chance either. The guy needed to go and shipping off Sam ended my reasons to keep him.

His gameplan revolved around the running game and O-line effectiveness. When one of those facets breakdown, the offense turns anemic. Hopefully Cignetti has enough common sense to mitigate weaknesses around our offense.

 

[mr.stlouis]

His gameplan revolved around the running game and O-line effectiveness. When one of those facets breakdown, the offense turns anemic. Hopefully Cignetti has enough common sense to mitigate weaknesses around our offense.

Hope fully we simply addressed the gaping needs to the offense. Gurley and earth movers could make Fisher look like a genius.

It's not the game plan they want to simplify - it's the playbook in general

They just have too many instances where guys aren't on the same page. Guys are struggling to keep up with the level of detail required.

As someone else said - the defense could do a bit of the same.

How many miscommunication TDs did we see last year?

Terribly frustrating with all the break downs. That's very true. Maybe that's why we had so many penalties, too. Guys panicing grabbing because they're thinking too much. That does make sense. It does make you wonder why this is an issue, though. The teacher and/or student factor does cross the mind. Surely our guys aren't too dumb to pick it up. I will say this, ground and pound then a boot leg/PA fake is about as simple as it gets.

 

[Akrasian]

I hope simplifying the system does not result in....Run, Run, Pass, Punt!

Occasionally. Sometimes Pass, Pass, Run, Punt. Sometimes just punt, to really fool them.

CREATIVITY!

 

[…..]

Ground Hog day....we get this exact same report every year.

 

[RaminExile]

Hope fully we simply addressed the gaping needs to the offense. Gurley and earth movers could make Fisher look like a genius.


Terribly frustrating with all the break downs. That's very true. Maybe that's why we had so many penalties, too. Guys panicing grabbing because they're thinking too much. That does make sense. It does make you wonder why this is an issue, though. The teacher and/or student factor does cross the mind. Surely our guys aren't too dumb to pick it up. I will say this, ground and pound then a boot leg/PA fake is about as simple as it gets.

There were just too many young players on an O that complicated. They were thinking instead of playing. How many times did we get illegal formation penalties? You rarely ever see other teams get them.

 

[den-the-coach]

I like Frank Cignetti because he's not Brian Schottenheimer, but he comes with plenty of experience and he's worked under Head Coaches with various philosophies in Pat Hill, Butch Davis, Jeff Tedford & Dave Wannstedt to post a few.

First time for Cig as an OC at the NFL level and with the addition of QB Coach Chris Weinke and add in additional responsibilities for Rob Boras and I feel the change will be refreshing.

Rams will pound the rock and do quite a bit of play action the key will be not turning the ball over and capitalizing when the opportunity presents itself with a big play. Also Schottenheimer always seem to struggle with half time adjustments and was not good on the fly I look for the triumvirate of Cignetti, Boras & Weinke to be working in unison and that can only improve an offense that has toiled in the bottom tier of the NFL.

 

[CGI_Ram]

A rookie OC doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but the atmosphere was ripe for a change at coordinator.

Here's hoping Cigs can keep the opposing team guessing.

 

[Rmfnlt]

A rookie OC doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but the atmosphere was ripe for a change at coordinator.

Here's hoping Cigs can keep the opposing team guessing.

I keep coming back to the same thought... regardless of who the OC is, will Fisher give him the autonomy to make the offense his own?

Especially if they struggle in the beginning...

 

[snackdaddy]

I just dont get it. Schotty ran such a bland, predictable, offense overall. Usually he started the game good then fizzled out barring a spark or two. And if the game was close at half time then he threw in the hat in the third quarter only to play desperate, or keep on running the ball into the teeth of the D with no passing game established.

But hey, very young team without a starting QB and not even an average OL just wreaks of failure. Wasn't all him, but he didn't give them a chance either. The guy needed to go and shipping off Sam ended my reasons to keep him.

Didn't he script the first 15 plays ofr something like that? I have a feeling he could plan pretty good for those plays but was not good at making adjustments after that.

 

[DaveFan'51]

First time for Cig as an OC at the NFL level and with the addition of QB Coach Chris Weinke and add in additional responsibilities for Rob Boras and I feel the change will be refreshing.

Only time will tell! We have to be patient, again, and take a wait and see attitude! I believe your right!!

 

[Rmfnlt]

Didn't he script the first 15 plays ofr something like that? I have a feeling he could plan pretty good for those plays but was not good at making adjustments after that.

I've made that observation multiple times (that they did well when running the scripted plays, for the most part).

It was the adjustment part that seemed to be the issue.

 

[Alan]

Rmfnlt wondering if things will really change:
I keep coming back to the same thought... regardless of who the OC is, will Fisher give him the autonomy to make the offense his own?

Especially if they struggle in the beginning...

Wondering the same thing myself. Fish seems to have a hair trigger when anything is tried that's out of his comfort zone.

 

[Rmfnlt]

Wondering the same thing myself. Fish seems to have a hair trigger when anything is tried that's out of his comfort zone.

Fisher is a powerful personality.

I'll stop short of calling him a control freak, but it's clear to me who runs the show.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it can limit the possibilities if Fisher is one dimensional.

I hope it's a committee approach (Fisher, Cignetti and Weinke). And I hope they stick with whatever plan they come up with (give it a real shot)

 

[ReddingRam]

Fisher is a powerful personality.

I'll stop short of calling him a control freak, but it's clear to me who runs the show.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it can limit the possibilities if Fisher is one dimensional.

I hope it's a committee approach (Fisher, Cignetti and Weinke). And I hope they stick with whatever plan they come up with (give it a real shot)

I think ... that if Cig tries something and it works, then he will allow it to continue but not get too crazy with it. If it doesn't work, then he reigns back in and wants to play fundamentally sound football.

 

[Alan]

ReddingRam with this observation:
I think ... that if Cig tries something and it works, then he will allow it to continue but not get too crazy with it. If it doesn't work, then he reigns back in and wants to play fundamentally sound football.

I wonder how "sound" his brand of "fundamentally sound football" is in today's NFL.

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[blackbart]

I have gotten to the point that I don't believe much of anything that comes out of a coaches mouth other than maybe a post game evaluation.

Whatever happened with Schotty is over time to move on and I really don't care to place blame or rehash that period of Rams football. I didn't work well for a lot of reasons.

Bring on Cig and crew and a fresh start with some new talent and lets hope they can be good enough to put this team over the .500 mark this year.

Run the ball, protect the QB don't turn it over. Play great defense. That seems simple enough?

 

[Memphis Ram]

When Fisher came aboard he stated his beliefs on offense and I've been waiting for the team to run with that gameplan. Finally that day is here.